Author Topic: Task Force Complaints (Read 44117 times)

5271rescue · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2006, 01:30:02 PM »

Not sure if CFA are still using it but bar coding was the way to go on large scale jobs worked well and you where able to see who/what and where everyone was....

aust_fire1 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2006, 01:49:41 PM »

Not heard of bar coding but why not try it.

If they barcode my butt, everytime I walk out of Woolworths the barcode detector would go off and cost me $5.00 a kilo.

SA Firey · « **Reply #27 on:** December 11, 2006, 04:24:09 PM »

No-one asked for T-Cards at the Onka Gorge either for that matter

Then again incoming strike teams were on the wrong channel as well

aust_fire1 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 11, 2006, 09:06:51 PM »

The Mundoo Group responded as a rolling task force. We arrived at Blewett Springs station and we filled out the T Card straight away. Hey and guess what...we only had to fill out one..

medevac · « **Reply #29 on:** December 11, 2006, 09:22:14 PM »

mmm all our appliances gave Tcards to the strike team leader...

aust_fire1 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 12, 2006, 04:44:17 AM »

Hmmm, Well I wonder how many brigades or groups or what ever actually do debriefings after they have attended incidents.

I wonder how many actually get briefed before they go on to the fire ground.

SA Firey · « **Reply #31 on:** December 12, 2006, 07:15:16 AM »

Debrief for Onka Gorge fire is on Thursday night at Mawson Base

aust_fire1 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 12, 2006, 08:23:39 AM »

well i hope they let all the task force commanders know..

CaptCom · « **Reply #33 on:** December 12, 2006, 01:27:05 PM »

I reckon we should try using the army and their mobile kitchen...even if they were used in rotation with Salvos etc...have them located at staging...or nearby ..would make logistics much easier

Camo · « **Reply #34 on:** December 12, 2006, 01:41:31 PM »

how quickly can the army kitchen be deployed? and also does it need PM approval to be used like the army?

5271rescue · « **Reply #35 on:** December 12, 2006, 06:50:08 PM »

Pm must approve the deloyment of the army and that would also be its catering unit,from the time they are called they can once on site be set up and cooking for 3000 in under 3hours.....thats from a friend in the army.

Darius · « **Reply #36 on:** December 13, 2006, 08:24:02 AM »

Quote from: aust_fire1 on December 12, 2006, 04:44:17 AM

Hmmm, Well I wonder how many brigades or groups or what ever actually do debriefings after they have attended incidents.

we do brigade debriefs but I've never been to a larger one. R1 had organised one after the last KI deployment but cancelled it at the last minute and have never rescheduled it (to my knowledge anyway!). It's far too late now anyway, it needs to be done within a few days (week at the max) after the event. I know of the onka/mawson debrief from seeing it here and the pager site but an invite has never come down the chain to those in my group (again: to my knowledge anyway).

Scania_1 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 13, 2006, 03:17:21 PM »

Do people think that it is odd that no CFS/MFS personnel have gone to Victoria?? They are even talking about getting people from the US.

lilmiss_firey · « **Reply #38 on:** December 13, 2006, 04:08:28 PM »

it's probably because every1 wants to protect their own turf judging by the amount of fires that hav been through!!!

bittenyakka · « **Reply #39 on:** December 13, 2006, 04:26:59 PM »

Odd but strange. I was told that they had tried to find 60 volunteers to go to Vic but couldn't as everyone wanted to stay. But I know I was never asked and from this would assume that many others weren't asked either.

Mabey they should put out a state wide pager message that way 60 or so people might come without straining the local resources.

5271rescue · « **Reply #40 on:** December 13, 2006, 05:10:40 PM »

i spoke to a mate in the CFA and he said they had asked for help from CFS but no one has come over yet,surely we could get crews to go would not need appliances as there are heaps of local units both tankers and pumpers on the ground.. I say do a state page and see who wants to go... I would love to go for a trip back home for a few days.....

Camo · « **Reply #41 on:** December 13, 2006, 06:56:47 PM »

Yeah i believe it maybe time we helped out seeing as things have calmed down a bit here.

But i do believe there should be 1 rule

Only 1 person from each brigade is allowed to go as this would no reduce the response of local crews to fires. Unless there wasnt enough people then maybe 2 people from each brigade.

5271rescue · « **Reply #42 on:** December 13, 2006, 06:58:30 PM »

Sounds good cam ,you ring the region and see what they say......

Pipster · « **Reply #43 on:** December 13, 2006, 10:34:58 PM »

But should we send crews interstate, when we can't get enough crews to cover strike teams in our own state....?

aust_fire1 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 14, 2006, 04:49:30 AM »

I think it is time to take a look at Task Forces.

What does a Task force consist of now?

(Due to the ammount of 4x4 Landcruiser type units available, should they be cosidered as task force vehicles)

Is it time to do away with Group Task Forces

(Maybe we should be doing composit crews; eg 1 crew member per brigade to create a crew per group with only 1 vehicle per group going at a time) (A composit Task Force the same as was done for the Riverland recently)

5271rescue · « **Reply #45 on:** December 14, 2006, 05:01:08 AM »

I have to agree its hard to get a strike team,this year and I am not sure why but for the first time ever region 5 has not been able to fill a strike team to go region 3.. I think what should happen is a group page for one or two members per brigade to crew a composite appliances from with in the group/region. Not only does naracoorte mann the group base but those that go in the command car as driver or scribe.....

CaptCom · « **Reply #46 on:** December 14, 2006, 07:14:04 AM »

It's a hard thing...I agree if you only take a handful from each group but also factor in the unavailability of others due to harvest, holidays etc...you could easily leave yourself short staffed and then when they return they are too tired to be avail for a couple of days as well...

It's been hard/easy for us in Region 6 as we are so far away...and we probably get grace for the hard time during Black tuesday...saying that though, we did send a strike team to Waikerie a couple of weeks ago..

I've personally been on strike teams but am not that keen this season...not yet anyway...

PS it's RAINING here today...yes RAINING>...can't remember the last time it RAINED!!

bittenyakka · « **Reply #47 on:** December 14, 2006, 07:42:08 AM »

Nah we still need to have a strike team from a group but mabey make it easier to combine crews in the groups. or just do what the mets do and run with four.

Ryan · « **Reply #48 on:** December 14, 2006, 10:22:22 AM »

At the riverland strike team we had group combined a crew and only ran with 4 in a 14 unit. It was a perfect amount of people, enough to get all tasks done and leave room for bags and mvement etc. You dont need 6 people when 4 is sufficient.

Smallflame · « **Reply #49 on:** December 14, 2006, 10:24:37 AM »

Quote from: CaptCom on December 14, 2006, 07:14:04 AM

It's a hard thing...I agree if you only take a handful from each group but also factor in the unavailability of others due to harvest, holidays etc...you could easily leave yourself short staffed and then when they return they are too tired to be avail for a couple of days as well...

It's been hard/easy for us in Region 6 as we are so far away...and we probably get grace for the hard time during Black tuesday...saying that though, we did send a strike team to Waikerie a couple of weeks ago..

I've personally been on strike teams but am not that keen this season...not yet anyway...

PS it's RAINING here today...yes RAINING>...can't remember the last time it RAINED!!

Rain?? What's Rain??