CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT

[Pipster]

The only other passenger orientated airports around the state are Mt Gambier, Pt Lincoln & Whyalla.  Which are all covered by MFS who have the RCR capabilities to handle an aircraft rescue.

I would have thought Roxby Downs has a fair bit of air traffic going through it too.....

And isn't North Shields closer to the Lincoln airfield, than the Lincoln MFS?   

Pip

[probie_boy]

why not have specialist rail rescue units too then?

[2090]

Its called the heavy rescue pod 

[medevac]

My 2c worth.. - This will never happen, if an aviation incident was to occur, outside of the metro area, a response just like any other would occur.  With the possibility of increased Rescue, Hazmat and GP apliances.

it does happen.

Salisbury CFS quite often respond to parafield airport with MFS for incidents. There have been incidents at Pt Augusta airport that stirling north have responded to assist mfs at... There was also a job at murray bridge just a week or so ago.

Normal road crash responses apply with the addition of HAZMAT if deemed necessary.

[RescueHazmat]

My 2c worth.. - This will never happen, if an aviation incident was to occur, outside of the metro area, a response just like any other would occur.  With the possibility of increased Rescue, Hazmat and GP apliances.

it does happen.

Salisbury CFS quite often respond to parafield airport with MFS for incidents. There have been incidents at Pt Augusta airport that stirling north have responded to assist mfs at... There was also a job at murray bridge just a week or so ago.

Normal road crash responses apply with the addition of HAZMAT if deemed necessary.

   This is where forums really come into a par of there own... - I wasn't saying the jobs will not occur, I was saying the "building / designing / making" of a specialised Aircraft Rescue Unit would not occur... - Then went onto mention if an aviation type incident occured, a response to fit the incidents specific requirements would be tasked. Weather this be the heavy rescue pod, foam pod, aviation tenders, rescue and hazmat resources, general purpose pumpers etc etc..

[JC]

The only other passenger orientated airports around the state are Mt Gambier, Pt Lincoln & Whyalla.  Which are all covered by MFS who have the RCR capabilities to handle an aircraft rescue.

I would have thought Roxby Downs has a fair bit of air traffic going through it too.....

Just brining up a dead thread, you would be right pip, Olympic Dam has 4-5 Rex flights a day, with just about all planes full of passengers, plus a heap of private planes coming in & out daily.
Everyone seems to be worried about rescue gear, if a plane hits the deck that hard that things in or on the plane needs to be cut, spread or similar, id be wanting to have the foam capability on the truck to cover the plane and the surrounding area before wanting to go anywhere near that plane. Its fine if your talking 5-6 seater Cessna's like at parafield, but a Rex plane will need more foam than most CFS trucks carry.

[fireblade]

Santos at Moomba have a Bae 146 carrying 80 P.O.B. that does 2 landings and 2 take offs a day plus a shuttle aircraft in between Moomba and a Queensland site called Ballera just over the boarder that flies a Fokker F-100 between there and Brisbane. plus rig planes and Helicopter operations.

All of which is covered by a Isuzu Heavy pumper with a rosenbauer pump and roof monitor at each airstrip and back up of a sky jet at Moomba.

Your non military planes you just have to worry about P.O.B.s, fuel, batteries and oxygen cylinders. Fire appliances that cover Santos air strips have crash cards on board describing the cautions of each individual aircraft.

Also the ESO's up there have a self contained Holmatro rescue tool and kit that can be taken on a Helicopter for any remote rescue-medivac before arrival of an Appliance.

[Evac]

I can tell you SA has no problems, look at Newman, WA, has 2 x 737's plus numerous other regional flights a day. All covered by a volunter station and the surrounding mines rescue guys, all with no training. But if you look at the CASA and ICAO standards there is absolutley no requirement to have a F & R service available in those situations. So why waste cfs resources training for a situation that is already the responsability of another govt. organisation?

[fireblade]

Wow thats amazing Evac. I guess it just comes down to the company that owns the airstrip i guess the Newman one is owed by a mining company?

Also you just have to look at Parafield, heaps of flights there and only MFS covering it with general purpose pumpers.

A state aircraft rescue unit I'm sure CFS could spend money on better projects.

[bittenyakka]

Just out of interest what equipment would a aircraft rescue unit requier that a standard heavy RCR brigade doesn't have. assuming that there is no fire danger.

[Firefrog]

Flying fuel tanks usually attract quite a bit of fire danger

[Darius]

Wow thats amazing Evac. I guess it just comes down to the company that owns the airstrip i guess the Newman one is owed by a mining company?

it's a BHP town (Pilbara WA), the Mt Whaleback mine in Newman is the largest single pit open cut mine in the world.

[bittenyakka]

I understand planes have large fuel tanks but if you are going to say that then every airport might as well have a 6*6 aircraft firefighting tender as a minimum which is very impractical. I wan to know how much gear should be carried to perform 20 "cut outs" at once mabey once ever 15 years??

i have heard that with a plane crash you have about 3 minutes to get the fire out if you want people to survive.

[Evac]

If they are not owned by FAC.(or the DOD) Most airstrips/airfields are owned by councils around the country. There are very few private strips around(if any) that can land anything much bigger than a cessna.

[bajdas]

09:43:08 14-06-07 SHQ: MEDIA LIAISON, FYI ALDINGA BEACH, SELLICKS, WILLUNGA ATT. AIRCRAFT CRASH IN VINEYARD OFF ADEY RD, ALDINGA, 2 PPL INJURED, LARGE FUEL LEAK, RDO <name> GOING FORWARD > 14/06/2007 9:43:23 AM

09:32:10 14-06-07 SHQ: *CFSRES: FROM SAAS: LOCATION OF PLANE IN VINEYARD, BETWEEN ADEY RD & BISCAY RD, LEFT HAND SIDE, ADEY RD SIGNPOSTED AS CULLEY RD. POSSIBLY NO VEHICLE ACCESS. < 14/06/2007 9:32:22 AM

09:26:05 14-06-07 SHQ: <name>, ALDINGA BEACH & SELLICKS RESPONDING AIRCRAFT CRASH, ON PROPERTY 1 KM SOUTH OF ALDINGA ON SOUTH ROAD, RAPID 720 932 > 14/06/2007 9:26:19 AM

09:23:53 14-06-07 SHQ: <name>, ALDINGA BEACH & SELLICKS RESPONDING AIRCRAFT CRASH, ON PROPERTY 1 KM SOUTH OF ALDINGA ON SOUTH ROAD, > 14/06/2007 9:24:07 AM

09:22:42 14-06-07 SHQ: *CFSRES: ALDINGA BEACH, SELLICKS & WILLUNGA RESPOND SMALL PLANE CRASH, RAPID NO. 720932, 1 KM SOUTH OF ALDINGA ON SOUTH RD. < 14/06/2007 9:22:54 AM

[Alan (Big Al)]

If they are not owned by FAC.(or the DOD) Most airstrips/airfields are owned by councils around the country. There are very few private strips around(if any) that can land anything much bigger than a cessna.

Goolwa is privately owned and can land anything up to a 737 (mind you if they land it i don't think it's long enough to take off again)

[standpipe]

If they are not owned by FAC.(or the DOD) Most airstrips/airfields are owned by councils around the country. There are very few private strips around(if any) that can land anything much bigger than a cessna.

Quite the contrary, Adelaide and Parafield are both privately operated and have been for many years. Although thy are not "privately owned' they are both on a 99 year lease. FAC has not existed for nearly 10 years. Most big airfields around the country, Melbourne/Sydney etc are all pivately operated

[sesroadcrashrescue]

before coming to kapunda i was with tanunda and there was talk of a new truck built for aircraft crashes with all the fancy gear on board and the shuits you see them wear from what i was told tanunda look like the brigade that will get it if it happens

[Big Yellow Gongbeater]

For starters Undertake Road Accident Rescue is a pre requisite of Undertake Aviation Response (General & Specialist) therefore why would such a role (if it was to even exist) be given to a non rescue brigade to start with?

Secondly CASA dictates (based on the international standard) the requirements for airfield response irrespective of whether it is publically or privately owned. The response type is based on not just aircraft types but total passenger movements. For all the techno nerds out there who feel the need to become self proclaimed experts you can find all the details through the CASA website.


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[jaff]

So adding a extra pair of tin snips to the toolkit wont do the job?

[rescue5271]

Mount Gambier airport is owned by the council fire/rescue cover is done by MFS/CFS/SES the airport will soon be able to take larger and private jets once they have done some work to runaways.

Some years ago in Victoria the airport fire service was removed from a number of busy airports as a cost cutting measure and control was handed over to MMFB and CFA since then there have been lots of crashlandings and other emergency at these airports. There was talk about 5 years ago about putting the airport fire service back into these airports but the cost was too great.

As part of CASA  rule's local emergency services must hold every 2 years a crashlanding training day at the airport ...So how many brigades are doing this with their local airports/airfields???