SACAD

[bajdas]

Google says 2 hours minimum before backup arrives on scene.

Coober Pedy and Roxby Downs should be treated just like Whyalla. Isolated.

2 tankers and a BWC seems a bit light on for Coober...

It'd be worth making the brigade retained, with at least 3 tankers supported by a 13000L BWC.

Any one or two truck that goes out of town for a long distance RCR. There would always be two trucks back home.

From my understanding, Cooper Pedy is basically empty during summer. So how would they mann that many trucks ?

With the distance in SA maybe it just needs to be accepted you cant have a truck everytime.

**personal opinion only**

[tft]

It'd be worth making the brigade retained

Bhaaaaaa
Please tell my you are joking or have been at Christmas drinks.
51 calls last year 2010-2011.

[pumprescue]

Hey, it works for Moonta, Kapunda, Peterborough, Wallaroo, Loxton etc

But no seriously would be a complete waste of time, the retained stations we have can't get crew let alone opening a new one !

[Darius]

With the distance in SA maybe it just needs to be accepted you cant have a truck everytime.

yeah it's what I meant by not really practical in this case to follow the SOP.  If Marla is 2hr drive + get mobile time then might as well not have them on the initial page and if Coober Pedy arrive and find they need help then call Marla, it will only add 10-15mins (guess) which isn't going to make a lot of difference I wouldn't have thought in this case.

[mengcfs]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0040 13/12/11 14:46 RESPOND ROAD CRASH RESCUE P1 68 PRINCES HWY MENINGIE MAP:SMN 1 J 4,CALLER: ==4 CARS. OUTSIDE SWAN FARM MACHINERY :MEN29 MENG34P :

SES did not arrive at this job (as rescue). They weren't defaulted either?
3 possible scenarios;

a: They acknowledged and then did not respond.
b: Meningie CFS (34P) is in the system as a dual response rescue.
c: The system didn't work.

Your thoughts....

[safireservice]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0040 13/12/11 14:46 RESPOND ROAD CRASH RESCUE P1 68 PRINCES HWY MENINGIE MAP:SMN 1 J 4,CALLER: ==4 CARS. OUTSIDE SWAN FARM MACHINERY :MEN29 MENG34P :

SES did not arrive at this job (as rescue). They weren't defaulted either?
3 possible scenarios;

a: They acknowledged and then did not respond.
b: Meningie CFS (34P) is in the system as a dual response rescue.
c: The system didn't work.

Your thoughts....

I'll take option c.

[Alex]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0040 13/12/11 14:46 RESPOND ROAD CRASH RESCUE P1 68 PRINCES HWY MENINGIE MAP:SMN 1 J 4,CALLER: ==4 CARS. OUTSIDE SWAN FARM MACHINERY :MEN29 MENG34P :

SES did not arrive at this job (as rescue). They weren't defaulted either?
3 possible scenarios;

a: They acknowledged and then did not respond.
b: Meningie CFS (34P) is in the system as a dual response rescue.
c: The system didn't work.

Your thoughts....

I'd say A

[pumprescue]

Alex if it was option A then clearly Option C also occurred.

[Alex]

Alex if it was option A then clearly Option C also occurred.

True.

However, option B is unlikely to have occured.

[vsteve01]

Are ses on sacad yet?

Do they get defaulted when responded via AF?  Is it an issue since intercad isn't online yet.

[bajdas]

Are ses on sacad yet?

Do they get defaulted when responded via AF?  Is it an issue since intercad isn't online yet.

Adelaide Fire process normal 'day to day' SES calls.

It is only during a mutil-incident event (eg storm) that volunteers assist processing call receipt & dispatch.

I do not believe SES SCC has been converted to SACAD (could be wrong though).

[bajdas]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0040 13/12/11 14:46 RESPOND ROAD CRASH RESCUE P1 68 PRINCES HWY MENINGIE MAP:SMN 1 J 4,CALLER: ==4 CARS. OUTSIDE SWAN FARM MACHINERY :MEN29 MENG34P :

SES did not arrive at this job (as rescue). They weren't defaulted either?
3 possible scenarios;

a: They acknowledged and then did not respond.
b: Meningie CFS (34P) is in the system as a dual response rescue.
c: The system didn't work.

Your thoughts....

I thought Meningie SES handed the RCR role to CFS months ago....
Personal opinion only

[pumprescue]

Still talk but there is no official signed off green book adjustment,like a lot of arrangments at local level, nothing is official.

[mengcfs]

OK people.
They were paged at 1447, booked mobile at 1447 and booked clear at 1453.
Are you trying to tell us something Alex? LOL

Meningie CFS do carry rescue stowage.  Rescue has not been 'handed over' to CFS -that is still in the process...hopefully rectified within weeks.

I guess it takes something bad to happen for all this to be fixed quickly.  In the meantime, CFS will continue to pick up the rescue slack in the area.  The system will only be truly tested if Meningie CFS cannot respond as 'rescue'.

[FlameTrees]

A few SES units seemed to self respond during todays storm event. SES SCC was open, wonder how that all went with SCC dispatching work, and if AF went to dispatch if that resource had been tasked by SCC??

[Zippy]

A few SES units seemed to self respond during todays storm event. SES SCC was open, wonder how that all went with SCC dispatching work, and if AF went to dispatch if that resource had been tasked by SCC??

We all know what a positive and a negative equal... When two systems collide who do we call...captain planet...

[Alan (Big Al)]

the only SES appliances Adelaide Fire will book offline are the 91's as they are rescue, as for the rest they will keep being paged for jobs

[bajdas]

All will go to MFS ComCen in the future.... UFU won....bugger
ETA July 2012
In the meantime we will keep going with the dicky Access database.
** personal opinion only **

[pumprescue]

Then we really will see CAD go into meltdown.....

[Zippy]

Then we really will see CAD go into meltdown.....

Not if a decent multiple incident procedure is put in place for all 3 services covered by the safecom comcen.

Almost every member that comes in contact with a GRN radio or appliance leadership should become well versed in multiple incident procedures.

You could send every priority 2 job as a pager message to a Group Duty Officer/Base for local resource assignment... that's an option that'd take the strain off Adelaide Fire.

[pumprescue]

It will never be a SAFECOM commcen whilst all 3 services want to do the same thing 10 different ways rather than allow the commcen to run it the most efficient way.

[Hazmat206]

Isn't one of the reasons behind SACAD is to send closest resources?I have people from brigades asking me why they weren't responded when they were closer to ones responded & have the same/similar resources? They also were available

E.G:
MFS: *CFSRES INC0034 26/12/11 12:01 RESPOND STRUCTURE DOMESTIC, 4 MARSH AV GAWLER SOUTH,MAP:ADL 23 J11,TG 182, :DALK24 ELZ331 GAW359 :

Concordia & Roseworthy are both closer than Elizabeth

MFS: *CFSRES INC0142 24/12/11 21:18 RESPOND STRUCTURE DOMESTIC, 2A BRIGHT TCE GAWLER EAST,MAP:ADL 23 Q 7,TG 182, ==CHISTMAS LIGHTS ON OUTSIDE OF HOUSE SMOLDERING :DALK24 ELZ331 GAW359 : - MFS Elizabeth Turnout

A day or so before, Concordia, Roseworthy & Gawler were called to a private alarm in Gawler East, same area as above, so what's the difference?

[safireservice]

Same as this:
MFS: *CFSRES INC0023 26/12/11 09:01 RESPOND STRUCTURE DOMESTIC, 7 SUNSHINE PL BLAKEVIEW,MAP:ADL 42 K13,TG 102, ==SMALL FAT FIRE IN OVEN :DALK19 ELZ331 ELZ339 GAW359 :
Same job in MFS area doesnt attract as many appliances? Looking at some of the responses since sacad started similar jobs seem to attract all sorts of different responses. SACAD not the be all and end all? Either that or a lot of the data is extremely varied dependant on location.

[Alan (Big Al)]

Lodge a written grievance to Gary Bau.  In time SACAD will be good but it will take time to get all the info and responses correct in the system.

[SA Firey]

Since SACAD came in never seen so many 2nd alarm jobs ever!