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Offline mengcfs

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Re: SACAD
« Reply #100 on: October 19, 2011, 09:06:58 AM »
Still haven't received any info on SACAD re procedures etc.  :roll:
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #101 on: October 20, 2011, 11:16:43 AM »
IS SACAD PROGRAMMED SO THAT IF RCR OR VEHICLE ACCIDENT IS IN A PAGE IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO ADELAIDE UNI ROAD ACCIDENT RESEARCH??

20-10-11 11:33:38 Repage:LYNBOBH 34 P RESPONDING TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. LEVILLE 0417 245 128 - Adelaide Uni Road Accident Research
20-10-11 11:33:36 Repage:LYNBOBH 34 P RESPONDING TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. LEVILLE 0417 245 128 - Adelaide Uni Road Accident Research
20-10-11 11:33:32 LYNBOBH 34 P RESPONDING TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. LEVILLE 0417 245 128 - CFS Barossa Group Officers Response
20-10-11 11:33:32 LYNBOBH 34 P RESPONDING TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. LEVILLE 0417 245 128 - CFS Lyndoch Response
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #102 on: October 20, 2011, 11:35:09 AM »
Quote from: OMGWTF on October 18, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: vsteve01 on October 18, 2011, 10:47:33 AM
18:52:28   17-10-11   MAWSON INFO: SACAD LAUNCH RESCHEDULED FOR 28/11/11. OPERATIONAL BULLETIN RE SACAD TO ISSUE SHORTLY.GO. - CFS Mawson Group

No suprise really, and as pumprescue said, closest most appropriate has been thrown out the window purely by the way they have decided to run the system. Although i doubt thats why it is delayed.

Some will change for the better. If task is beyond 30 mins drive from SES Unit, job to the nearest fire response.
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #103 on: October 20, 2011, 02:30:03 PM »
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IS SACAD PROGRAMMED SO THAT IF RCR OR VEHICLE ACCIDENT IS IN A PAGE IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO ADELAIDE UNI ROAD ACCIDENT RESEARCH??

20-10-11 11:33:38 Repage:LYNBOBH 34 P RESPONDING TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. LEVILLE 0417 245 128 - Adelaide Uni Road Accident Research
20-10-11 11:33:36 Repage:LYNBOBH 34 P RESPONDING TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. LEVILLE 0417 245 128 - Adelaide Uni Road Accident Research
20-10-11 11:33:32 LYNBOBH 34 P RESPONDING TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. LEVILLE 0417 245 128 - CFS Barossa Group Officers Response
20-10-11 11:33:32 LYNBOBH 34 P RESPONDING TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. LEVILLE 0417 245 128 - CFS Lyndoch Response

It's SAAS that have setup the repage to the ARU guys. There is some difficulties in getting every MVA sent from CAD to then re-page, so they are now using a variety of key words. You will notice that RCR also sends anything with the word aircraft to them as well.
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2011, 03:13:40 PM »
So with word of industrial action from SAAS and the old group tribalism alive and well (we can't possibly send the nearest most appropriate rescourse because that would mean asking for the next group to help or god forbid the MFS) in the safecom version, it seems the mega millions has been wasted. So me thinks SACAD won't fix it.....
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #105 on: October 22, 2011, 03:11:25 PM »
Quote from: pumprescue on October 21, 2011, 03:13:40 PM
So with word of industrial action from SAAS and the old group tribalism alive and well (we can't possibly send the nearest most appropriate rescourse because that would mean asking for the next group to help or god forbid the MFS) in the safecom version, it seems the mega millions has been wasted. So me thinks SACAD won't fix it.....


NNNOOOOOOOOOO.......Don't say that.....Don't ever say that...SACAD will fix  everything....All Hail SACAD!!  :-D
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #106 on: October 25, 2011, 06:27:42 AM »
Isn't today the day SACAD goes live for MFS, CFS & SES?
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #107 on: October 25, 2011, 07:23:53 AM »
Quote from: Skippy on October 25, 2011, 06:27:42 AM
Isn't today the day SACAD goes live for MFS, CFS & SES?

Yep, and politicans speak the truth without spin, and we stop referring to sports people as heroes.

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Re: SACAD
« Reply #108 on: October 25, 2011, 08:47:38 AM »
I think a simple no would have sufficed
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #109 on: October 25, 2011, 11:24:43 AM »
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Isn't today the day SACAD goes live for MFS, CFS & SES?

Extended to the 28th
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #110 on: October 25, 2011, 01:57:42 PM »
thats 28th of Nov

From coac minutes is mentions some issues with that came about during testing and operational bulletin on using sacad that is in draft.

Better they fix the problems now they when live.  Too many projects go live with she'll be right, we can fix that while in production.

Though the bit about getting the how to use bit before go live could be handy ;)
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #111 on: October 25, 2011, 02:11:17 PM »
Quote from: vsteve01 on October 25, 2011, 01:57:42 PM
thats 28th of Nov


Right in Fire Danger Season.

Why dont we wait till Feb 17th instead? You know, when we have a good chance of a major fire happening!
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #112 on: October 25, 2011, 02:36:49 PM »
Quote from: shoes1970 on October 25, 2011, 02:11:17 PM
Right in Fire Danger Season.

Why dont we wait till Feb 17th instead? You know, when we have a good chance of a major fire happening!


Tinme of year doesn't matter at all really. As long as the issues are ironed out prior to go-live.
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #113 on: October 26, 2011, 09:16:27 AM »
There was an email sent out on Monday from Malim Watts re issues and some valid points as to why the roll over is extended.

Better to extend and get it right than have a half baked response system working at half capacity.
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #114 on: October 26, 2011, 08:29:43 PM »
Have spent a bit more time finding out some facts, here is what I learnt

1)Every appliance must give status updates, so Ack page, mobile (but not arrived for some retarded reason) and clear of call/available on scene to run via Adelaide Fire, no exceptions - if you don't no more calls or you might be defaulted.

2) All responses will be done as per SOP's - no more Bob nipping down in the ute and you will upgrade to 1st,2nd,3rd, 4th alarm not "can I have jim and bob 24" Specialist appliances excepted.

3) Alerts will only be rung if no acknowledgment of page in 6 mins, but if you haven't booked mobile in 12 you will be defaulted.

4) Delay is for valid reasons to make sure all data is correct.

5) Group tribalism is ALIVE AND WELL !!!

6) the program itself is fantastic, but only as good as the data that WE input

7) Go live can happen at anytime, its no worse than the system we have

8) Give it a chance, and check your data through the group and region, my own needing tweeking.


Finally none of this is secret, you just have to ask.
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #115 on: October 26, 2011, 09:37:29 PM »
dont have to book arrived, have to agree with you there pump that is a tad tarded, one would think it woul dbe handy as a welfare check type of thing?
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #116 on: October 26, 2011, 11:34:15 PM »
Nope apparently not, you will do everything but arrive...strange mob we volunteer for!
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #117 on: October 27, 2011, 11:36:30 AM »
Prob since the group manages once the job is running and with sacad not being deployed to the groups, yet? prob not of much use.

it's hard enough getting through to AF during multiple incidents to ack mobile.
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #118 on: October 27, 2011, 01:29:26 PM »
there should be absolutly no need for groups DO's or bases to be involved for incidents that have not been upgraded,, as a Group officer why get out of bed or stop what you are doing for small jobs.
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #119 on: October 28, 2011, 06:28:02 AM »
Is there a sey time that it will go live or will it happen any moment
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #120 on: October 28, 2011, 07:53:11 AM »
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1)Every appliance must give status updates, so Ack page, mobile (but not arrived for some retarded reason) and clear of call/available on scene to run via Adelaide Fire, no exceptions - if you don't no more calls or you might be defaulted.

I would have thought arrival is one of the most important status'. Maybe someone dosen't want a statistic on how long it takes to arrive?
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #121 on: October 28, 2011, 07:58:57 AM »
I think the CFS goons chose to do that so they can have 1 last little thing to hang onto as being under local control rather than go through comms. Your right though, keep masking the problems, although CAD will expose a lot of people, those stations with multiple appliances will have to get them on the road now rather than just mask over it with the 2nd and 3rd appliances rarely turning a wheel.
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #122 on: October 28, 2011, 08:58:11 AM »
Quote from: pumprescue on October 28, 2011, 07:58:57 AM
I think the CFS goons chose to do that so they can have 1 last little thing to hang onto as being under local control rather than go through comms. Your right though, keep masking the problems, although CAD will expose a lot of people, those stations with multiple appliances will have to get them on the road now rather than just mask over it with the 2nd and 3rd appliances rarely turning a wheel.

And meanwhile the stations that can crew those second trucks can't respond them because SACAD will respond neighbouring brigades first...

The issue of arrival messages is a complicated one.  Unless Adelaide Fire are willing to take comms for all incidents, (and they'd need to be properly resourced for that), local stations / group bases are still going to open for comms, and that means using a local talkgroup.  You can't realistically expect trucks to switch back to the regional talkgroup to notify of their arrival, nor can you expect them to stay on the regional talkgroup until they arrive, so the only sane choice is to leave arrival notifications until Adelaide Fire can take comms for all incidents...
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #123 on: October 28, 2011, 11:26:40 AM »
SACAD is about resource tracking.  Adelaide Fire don't want to know we have arrived, we have already booked mobile.  Once mobile they are hardly going to task/divert an appliance to a different job. It is assumed that if you book mobile you will get to the job.  Once job complete, book available so AF can re-task if necessary.
PS: I hate the word assme, but it's all I could think of to put in that sentence that would make sense  :wink:
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Re: SACAD
« Reply #124 on: October 28, 2011, 11:52:52 AM »
Quote from: mengcfs on October 28, 2011, 11:26:40 AM
Once mobile they are hardly going to task/divert an appliance to a different job. It is assumed that if you book mobile you will get to the job.  Once job complete, book available so AF can re-task if necessary.

Ah, but if you've booked arrived, then SACAD lists you as at the location of the incident, so if you book available again and a second job occurs nearby you can be sent as the closest available resource...  That's the theory anyway...
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