SACAD

[safireservice]

Lodge a written grievance to Gary Bau.  In time SACAD will be good but it will take time to get all the info and responses correct in the system.

I suppose its up to the individual brigade to lodge the grievance, but the response does seem a bit excessive, even if it is CFS area. But if its anything like pre-sacad issues forms, it will just fall on deaf ears.

[pumprescue]

Just remember the responses are nothing to do with the people in Adelaide Fire, each agency has set up its own responses using brigade and group response plans, all Adelaide Fire do is hit send.

[Hazmat206]

I know it's not comms fault, but i was hoping they could shed some light on these issues
MFS: *CFSRES INC0013 27/12/11 04:56 RESPOND GRASS FIRE, ANGLE VALE RD/ANDREWS RD MUNNO PARA DOWNS,MAP:ADL 32 B 9,TG 102, ==2 TO 3METERS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD :AIRDESK DALK24 ELZ331 GWLR34 : - MFS Elizabeth 331

Gawler River?

03:10:48 27-12-11 MFS: *CFSRES INC0010 27/12/11 03:10 RESPOND RUBBISH OR WASTE, LYNTON TCE/MARINER LANE SEAFORD,MAP:ADL 205 L 1,TG 182, ==unknown fire at this vacinity :CDN431 SEA469 SEAF24 : - MFS Christie Downs Turnout

3 appliances to a rubbish fire?

02:37:15 27-12-11 MFS: *CFSRES INC0007 27/12/11 02:36 RESPOND STRUCTURE DOMESTIC, REDBANKS RD WILLASTON,MAP:ADL 23 H 2,TG 182, == CALLER IS WAITING AT ROUNDABOUT ON DAWKINS AVE :DALK19 ELZ331 GAW359 : - MFS Gawler Turnout

Again, Roseworthy 5kms or 5 minutes away, Dalkeith & Elizabeth 10 - 20kms away. Doesn't make sense

I just hope these issues get sorted out, don't need to be over resourcing incidents & think it makes more sense in sending closest resources than whatever they decide now!

I thought SACAD was going to fix things

[Hazmat206]

STRL INFO: FROM DGO 3 STOP FOR CALL.... SACAD ERROR. 27/12/2011 16:21:27 - CFS Stirling Info     

[CFS_Firey]

Just remember the responses are nothing to do with the people in Adelaide Fire, each agency has set up its own responses using brigade and group response plans, all Adelaide Fire do is hit send.

So who's done the responses for the EMA areas (such as those examples above)?

[safireservice]

Just remember the responses are nothing to do with the people in Adelaide Fire, each agency has set up its own responses using brigade and group response plans, all Adelaide Fire do is hit send.

So who's done the responses for the EMA areas (such as those examples above)?

I'm pretty sure those brigades wouldnt have put that sort of response down? I did notice some really bizarre responses early on in SACAD like CFS going to out of the ordinary places where available MFS appliances would be closer?

[Darius]

STRL INFO: FROM DGO 3 STOP FOR CALL.... SACAD ERROR. 27/12/2011 16:21:27 - CFS Stirling Info     

yeah well I don't think the good old stirling to stirling north (or ironbank to iron knob, myponga to mypolonga etc etc) is a sacad error as such, it happened under BOMS too, it's just straight-forward operator error.

[misterteddy]

G.I.G.O the printouts of the response changes, borders and mutual response plans were full of errors when we saw them last year....looks like the PS data input retards didnt/couldnt interpret the information submitted

If you're waiting for it to be error free??.....     

[pumprescue]

The input retards are above group....lets just draw a discreet veil over that one...

[fire8029]

Interesting that this job, with all the appliances that were called, never went to second alarm or third alarm?

MFS: *CFSRES INC0037 04/01/12 12:14 RESPOND GRASS FIRE, : @WOOLUNDUNGA SEC 55 WILMINGTON RD WOOLUNDUNGA,MAP:C/435 53,TG 068, == WOOLUNDUNGA

[pumprescue]

There probably isn't one, and as you can see there were several 14's added, which is classed as a specialist resource, and some parks trucks, which screw with upgrading.

[FlameTrees]

Should have been.......


MFS: *CFSRES INC0037 04/01/12 12:14 RESPOND GRASS FIRE, : @WOOLUNDUNGA SEC 55 WILMINGTON RD WOOLUNDUNGA,MAP:C/435 53,TG 068, == WOOLUNDUNGA == Alarm upgraded to SHITTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fire8029]

10-01-12 14:07:57 MFS: *CFSRES INC0051 10/01/12 14:07 RESPOND FIRE ALARM, : @BLACKWOOD HOSPITAL #148/002 13 LAFFERS RD BELAIR,MAP:ADL 143 B14,TG 146, ==INPUT DESC - FIP ALARM :BELR34P BKWD24 BKWD34 GLO441 R1 HASTIE : - MFS GlenOsmond Station

i would have thought St Marys would be closer to Belair than Glen Osmond?

[pumprescue]

It all depends what back up beat is used. Which again is NOTHING to do with Adelaide Fire.

[misterteddy]

10-01-12 14:07:57 MFS: *CFSRES INC0051 10/01/12 14:07 RESPOND FIRE ALARM, : @BLACKWOOD HOSPITAL #148/002 13 LAFFERS RD BELAIR,MAP:ADL 143 B14,TG 146, ==INPUT DESC - FIP ALARM :BELR34P BKWD24 BKWD34 GLO441 R1 HASTIE : - MFS GlenOsmond Station

i would have thought St Marys would be closer to Belair than Glen Osmond?

Eden Hills (certainly) and Coromandel Valley (probably) closer than both of them, and nowhere near the MFS/CFS border- anyone noticing the crossover is weighted one way?? SACAD thou art a pratt - but maybe you are part of a plan

[Pipster]

And if we want to be a bit more pendantic, unless I missed something, Blackwood doesn't have a 34 anymore.......?

Pip

[tft]

They have a 34P.

[Zippy]

Add that to the 4000 issues forms existant...

[Alex]

CFS are constantly updating unit call signs so hopefully that should be fixed soon... Same issue in a number of areas.

Re the hospital alarm it boils down to the size of the ESZs being inappropriate and an EMA plan being put on for an area that never use to be EMA. Glen osmond have been to a number of jobs uP there since SACAD started.

Personally I'd like to know why the regional duty officer needs to know about fire alarms.

[Alan (Big Al)]

With regards to the regional duty officer thing could it be because of the number off appliances tagged on the response therefore it thinks its a 2nd alarm job?

[tft]

With the regional duty officer and  fire alarms that might be because it had 2 alarm on the page.

[pumprescue]

Yeah pretty sure its triggered by the number of appliances...

[Zippy]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0062 12/01/12 17:53 RESPOND GRASS FIRE, STUART HWY NO SUBURB,,TG 073, ==RING COOBER PEDY SAPOL,86725056,120 KM STH,NEAR MIRACARDA TWIN STATION :AIRDESK COOB19 MRLA34 : - CFS Marla Response

MFS:TAKE A STOP FOR CALL 062 ,GLENDAMBO WILL BE RESPONDED INSTEAD - CFS Marla Response

MFS: *CFSRES INC0062 12/01/12 17:53 RESPOND GRASS FIRE, STUART HWY NO SUBURB,,TG 073, ==RING COOBER PEDY SAPOL,86725056,120 KM STH,NEAR MIRACARDA TWIN STATION :COOB19 GLAD34 : CFS Gladstone Response

MFS: STOP FOR CALL - CFS Gladstone Response

[PALE ALE]

The system will never work, it cant, they are all screwed for thinking it wiil. The whole state cannot run the same way there are so many different areas that need special thought. Sacad is a huge backwards step for the country fire service. We need the old alerts system where the brigade took the alarm call and SOC assisted with the response. Local uknowledge and a spot on response every time. These clowns are taking the decision making away from the locals and f**k**g it up completely.

[Bagyassfirey]

The system will never work, it cant, they are all screwed for thinking it wiil. The whole state cannot run the same way there are so many different areas that need special thought. Sacad is a huge backwards step for the country fire service. We need the old alerts system where the brigade took the alarm call and SOC assisted with the response. Local uknowledge and a spot on response every time. These clowns are taking the decision making away from the locals and f**k**g it up completely.

Seems to be working pretty alright I woulda thought...