CFS first responder to medical emergencies

[SA Firey]

Not asking for a blanket handout and as has been stated there are brigades who are willing to pay for the equipment, and also to get members trained in Advanced Resus yet we are continually stymied on the issue by Region,or would that set a precedent for CFS to have First Responder Brigades

[Alan (Big Al)]

Our group was offered oxyviva for the two RCR trucks, at the moment mount compass has it but were told that they can't use it?? Go figure

[samfs]

i think that all cfs/mfs/ses should be trained in trauma some what as saas cant all ways get there as quick because of distances to an incident and there is nothing worse than having to wait when we all could be doing something to help saas so when they arrive they can take over and do what they do best   

[RescueHazmat]

Not asking for a blanket handout and as has been stated there are brigades who are willing to pay for the equipment, and also to get members trained in Advanced Resus yet we are continually stymied on the issue by Region,or would that set a precedent for CFS to have First Responder Brigades

Yes I understand that, and specifically agree that those that are willing to pay for the equipement and training, should not be restricted by region/state at any level.

However believe when it comes to the state paying for the gear, I believe it needs to be worked out who should qualify for it.

Byt ofcourse, if the brigade are willing to purchase the gear and train in it to better their abilities at the scene, then I can't see any "reasonable" objection that Region / State could have. 

[SA Firey]

Due to the adhoc nature of OxyViva's in some brigades and their use,and being denied authority to use it, maybe we should start a petition through the VFBA for that as well.

Im sure we would get plenty of support on this in the interest of firefighter safety on the fireground,let alone the benefit to members of the public we save using it.

[Darius]

what was the reason region/state provided for rejecting your application?  If no good reason, and you have tried first to do things "the right way", then if it were me I'd just buy them anyway and be done with it.

[rescue5271]

Problem is you just can't go and buy the gear,CFS has a policy in buy gear and we must follow that policy...Having said that I would like to know what would be done if a supplier donated the gear in return for say some local publicity???

[6739264]

Oxyvivas are old old old tech, go for something newer, perhaps a multipurpose EMT pack, which includes your O2 for therapy and includes a full trauma kit etc etc.

[RescueHazmat]

I think you would be referring to a Thomas Pack. - Oxyviva kits aren't neccessarily old technology or the old box tins, they now come in all forms / shapes & sizes. - I believe when people are rereffing to Oxyviva's they are referring to Oxygen Therapy equipment in general.. Lay terms

[SA Firey]

Got it in one Rescue

[mack]

what was the reason region/state provided for rejecting your application?  If no good reason, and you have tried first to do things "the right way", then if it were me I'd just buy them anyway and be done with it.

so who would then pay for the initial training and upkeep of skills? would add up a bit with thirty or so memebrs in the brigade?

[mack]

i think that all cfs/mfs/ses should be trained in trauma some what as saas cant all ways get there as quick because of distances to an incident and there is nothing worse than having to wait when we all could be doing something to help saas so when they arrive they can take over and do what they do best   

senior first aid covers trauma to a degree.... we have 'basic' first aid kits... im sure we can get to work in some way or other until SAAS arrives...

[Darius]

so who would then pay for the initial training and upkeep of skills? would add up a bit with thirty or so memebrs in the brigade?

same way it happens in your group I guess. But didn't you read the doc MattB posted, it looked like a well thought out proposal to me. Anyway I'm not in Mawson so it's not my business but if they want to push it I'm sure they are capable of doing so themselves.

[Alan J]

so who would then pay for the initial training and upkeep of skills? would add up a bit with thirty or so memebrs in the brigade?

Sturt Group considers it money well spent to have a sizeable core of members in all brigades kept up to speed with O2 as well as 1st aid.  State Training do it at an acceptable price.

[mack]

so who would then pay for the initial training and upkeep of skills? would add up a bit with thirty or so memebrs in the brigade?

Sturt Group considers it money well spent to have a sizeable core of members in all brigades kept up to speed with O2 as well as 1st aid.  State Training do it at an acceptable price.

yeah, i know, and agree with sturt group. just stating that that is something a brigade that may decide to 'go rogue' would have to consider.... it wouldnt be terribly cheap considering the course is only a 1 year accreditation...

[SA Firey]

Having tried going down the right course and channels to try and get this equipment the response from Region is poor to say the least.

Even offering to buy the equipment and pay for training wouldnt sway our fearless leader

[big bronto]

If you look at MFB's first responder program will fill you in on a lot, some CFA brigades are now first responders aswell. First step for SA emergency services is to make SAMFS first responders to assist in SAAS workload and improving first response times.

[NotRedAdair]

First responders need to be onsite quicker than the nearest available SAAS unit, otherwise it defeats the purpose. This automatically counts out the CFS, on time alone.
The SAMFS are considering a proposal to become first responder under the new EB negotiations.

[bittenyakka]

hang on there are large swaths of area where CFS can frequently beat SAAS eg northern end of east Torrens

[CFS_Firey]

First responders need to be onsite quicker than the nearest available SAAS unit, otherwise it defeats the purpose. This automatically counts out the CFS, on time alone.

Doesn't that automatically count in most CFS brigades?  There are many towns in SA that have a CFS brigade, and don't have a SAAS station  (And you don't have to go very far out to find volunteer ambulance stations either).

[Pipster]

First responders need to be onsite quicker than the nearest available SAAS unit, otherwise it defeats the purpose. This automatically counts out the CFS, on time alone.

Have you read the previous posts in relation to this topic, in regard to the time taken for SAAS to get to many areas?   Perhaps you have already read the topic, and chosen to deliberately cast a hook, in the hope of stirring the pot..... 

The type of postings here, and on some of the other threads in a similar vein are neither entertaining or constructive.

Perhaps a few people need to grow up and put forward some sensible discussions points, rather than behaving like school kids in the playground

Pip
(who does put a name to the posting, rather than hide behind a nickname)

[Zippy]

I would love to see all (or at least just the odd 1) MFS personnel spend time out in RURAL south australia....not Adelaide Hills and outer surrounds....places like Karoonda, Salt Creek, Mambray Creek, Iron Knob....all these places...would be A VERY GOOD EYE OPENER....the volunteers there have a REAL passion to do the job....

now, BACK on topic.

[SA Firey]

First responders need to be onsite quicker than the nearest available SAAS unit, otherwise it defeats the purpose. This automatically counts out the CFS, on time alone.
The SAMFS are considering a proposal to become first responder under the new EB negotiations.

That is interesting as when SAAS approached MFS previously to do that they said how much extra $ do we get.Apparently SAMFS and the UFU rejected it.

[Red Truck Wonderland]

I would love to see all (or at least just the odd 1) MFS personnel spend time out in RURAL south australia....not Adelaide Hills and outer surrounds....places like Karoonda, Salt Creek, Mambray Creek, Iron Knob....all these places...would be A VERY GOOD EYE OPENER....the volunteers there have a REAL passion to do the job....

now, BACK on topic.

Dezza, I don't question your passion. In rural areas the CFS is an Asset,  I don't pitty those guys who travel +3hrs either way for a hazmat job on the west coast.  The politics is centred around the outer suburbs, MFS and CFS usually work well together at ground level when the jobs on. however aguments begin mostly from people attempting to make it their living.

nothing else to do but pick faults.

In rural areas I fully support the idea of first responders. I would strongly recomend that people visit and join their local SAAS team.   

[OMGWTF]

First responders need to be onsite quicker than the nearest available SAAS unit, otherwise it defeats the purpose. This automatically counts out the CFS, on time alone.

lmfao - what an uneducated comment... you obviously dont have a clue about anything outside of metro adelaide do you?

re; MFS doing first response to medical emergencies. i wouldnt have thought they had the spare resources? or is it going to get to the point of running a couple of jobs at a time and having to tell SAAS, "sorry about our agreement but we want to keep those trucks available.."

well actually i guess they'd just call CFS to fill in the gaps in stations as usual... you know only the small stations... like adelaide.