Author Topic: Burnover Training (Read 30518 times)

JC · « **Reply #50 on:** January 31, 2007, 10:21:05 PM »

I disagree... If you're working your way along the flank of a fire you can easily use 3-4 lengths while still having safe burnt ground nearby... 3-4 lengths to simply get to the fire is a different matter though... Is that what you mean?
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Thats a better way of putting it.

littlejohn · « **Reply #51 on:** February 01, 2007, 07:24:34 AM »

>Quote from: backburn on January 31, 2007, 10:45:02 PM
>Well our GO said if we use more than 2 lenghts of hose he will come up and cut >the 3 hose.

>Correct, using anymore than that is stupid, they are 30mtr lenghts the only >time you would use 3-4 lengths is to mop up whilst making an edge safe ie >100mtr blackout and defiantly not during direct attack on a fire, you have a >death wish chasing a fire that far into the scrub.

Interesting. How are we meant to get to fires in scrub or plantations?

SE trucks carry 5 lengths of forestry hose, and often have to poach from other trucks. At a recent incident there was a CFS 34 pressure boosting a FSA fire king, which in turn was pushing through 30 lengths of forestry hose (30m a piece).

There's no was we'd get anything wrapped up if we were only allowed to use two lengths of hose.

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #52 on:** February 01, 2007, 07:50:51 AM »

I'd hate to be the one making up 900+ metres of hose!! If the fires in that far just let it burn

wilma · « **Reply #53 on:** February 01, 2007, 09:03:42 AM »

if only it was that easy get it quick and stop it spreading sounds good to me

JC · « **Reply #54 on:** February 01, 2007, 06:27:19 PM »

You must remember that this whole post is about burnover training, if you are at a fire that is slow moving, no wind and on flat ground you are most probably going to be in conditions that will lead to burnover, so yeah go in and chase it, but we are talking burnover, you don't go chasing fires that are moving fast with high winds or on sloping ground.

Camo · « **Reply #55 on:** February 02, 2007, 01:53:14 PM »

Quote from: Mundcfs on February 01, 2007, 07:50:51 AM

I'd hate to be the one making up 900+ metres of hose!! If the fires in that far just let it burn

Forestry SA get quite knarky if they lose too many trees. A Forestry SA worker once told me (true or not, im not sure) each fully grown pine tree is worth $30 each. Thats quite a lot of dosh over a 1000HA(?) block of pines.

And they dont have a big enough budget to replace large amounts of trees that are lost by fire.

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #56 on:** February 02, 2007, 08:03:32 PM »

Surely something growing to be sold would be insured if not then they're idgits.

SA Firey · « **Reply #57 on:** February 02, 2007, 08:52:52 PM »

Quote from: Camo on February 02, 2007, 01:53:14 PM

Quote from: Mundcfs on February 01, 2007, 07:50:51 AM
I'd hate to be the one making up 900+ metres of hose!! If the fires in that far just let it burn

Forestry SA get quite knarky if they lose too many trees. A Forestry SA worker once told me (true or not, im not sure) each fully grown pine tree is worth $30 each. Thats quite a lot of dosh over a 1000HA(?) block of pines.

And they dont have a big enough budget to replace large amounts of trees that are lost by fire.

Errrr Whats your life worth Camo

Screw the trees

Im with Mundcfs on that one

JC · « **Reply #58 on:** February 03, 2007, 04:10:01 AM »

Quote from: SA Firey on February 02, 2007, 08:52:52 PM

Quote from: Camo on February 02, 2007, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Mundcfs on February 01, 2007, 07:50:51 AM
I'd hate to be the one making up 900+ metres of hose!! If the fires in that far just let it burn

Forestry SA get quite knarky if they lose too many trees. A Forestry SA worker once told me (true or not, im not sure) each fully grown pine tree is worth $30 each. Thats quite a lot of dosh over a 1000HA(?) block of pines.

And they dont have a big enough budget to replace large amounts of trees that are lost by fire.

Errrr Whats your life worth Camo

Screw the trees

Im with Mundcfs on that one

Im with you guys, my life or my crews life Vs trees. Its a no brainer

Camo · « **Reply #59 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:09:07 AM »

Quote from: Mundcfs on February 02, 2007, 08:03:32 PM

Surely something growing to be sold would be insured if not then they're idgits.

Pretty sure they self insure.

Im referring to Forestry SA crews. They will chase anything in the forest. CFS's role is usualy wait until it comes out.

Most forest blocks are 1 square kilometre so unless it dead in the centre usually its less then 500m of hose.

SA Firey · « **Reply #60 on:** February 03, 2007, 03:00:39 PM »

Money overiding sense

loopylou · « **Reply #61 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:44:51 PM »

The irony of the Forrestry SA thing, is that they want us to minimise damage to their forrests from fires that they quite often start. If they only had active fire cover during their operations.......

Of course i'm not saying that all fires are caused by their operations, but i have been to a few that were started on the job.

SA Firey · « **Reply #62 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:56:39 AM »

Burnover our favourite topic on this forum

I was doing some reserach and came across this interesting information a good read
http://www.csu.edu.au/special/bushfire99/papers/paix/

Scania_1 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 07, 2007, 02:49:23 PM »

FSA often do have fire cover while they are working in the forest. Quite often you drive past them and see a fire king or 2 parked on a track or next to the edge of the forest where they are.

Camo · « **Reply #64 on:** February 10, 2007, 12:13:36 PM »

What you probaly seen athol is the crews that operate the fire kings are also the pruning crew.

so they keep the trucks nearby for a quick response.

Footy · « **Reply #65 on:** March 05, 2007, 03:12:15 PM »

I was wondering why I saw a fire king with a wood chipper hooked up to the back of it the other day Camo?
I wonder if the Fire Kings have to do Burnover training?

Blue · « **Reply #66 on:** March 05, 2007, 03:35:23 PM »

Yes, crew on Firekings do burnover training. A constant yip from the appliance and all crew pile inside the cabin, pull across the reflective stuff on the windows, hit a big red button which sets the sprinkler system going, shuts the vents, puts the air con on, and then you sit back and read a book.

If I'd pick any appliance to be in during a burnover it would be a Fireking - they've been subjected to something like 2000degC and the cabin has risen to a relatively cool 50, and then they've driven the thing off the hot pad - woohoo!

Steve will be able to give us more accurate stats.

Footy · « **Reply #67 on:** March 05, 2007, 03:40:15 PM »

But seriously, it is just like driving in a weber tho??

Camo · « **Reply #68 on:** March 05, 2007, 04:51:46 PM »

I thought 1000 degrees equates to 60 degrees in the cab. Your probaly only going to be subjected to this heat for a few minutes i guess.

5271rescue · « **Reply #69 on:** March 05, 2007, 05:48:26 PM »

try up to 10 mins camo........

Footy · « **Reply #70 on:** March 05, 2007, 06:04:01 PM »

plus the time it takes for the heat to dissapate...
would stay hot for quite a while after the initial attack

Camo · « **Reply #71 on:** March 05, 2007, 06:08:18 PM »

Quote from: 5271rescue on March 05, 2007, 05:48:26 PM

try up to 10 mins camo........

Few? 10? close enough but really what would the average be? Most would be at the lower end of the scale - 5mins tops.

Blue · « **Reply #72 on:** March 05, 2007, 09:09:47 PM »

Hmmm. Not sure how long the water lasts if you're spurting it out of all the sprays to protect the Fireking. You'd wanna turn it on at the last minute for sure. And remember the a/c cools down the cabin too.

Where is Mr steved01? *calls out*

SA Firey · « **Reply #73 on:** March 06, 2007, 03:15:55 PM »

Quote from: Footy on March 05, 2007, 03:40:15 PM

But seriously, it is just like driving in a weber tho??

Thats waht the CFA guys call them...WEBERS

steved01 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 15, 2007, 12:26:52 PM »

Just a few points on this discussion:
ForestrySA do the same CFS burnover training as everyone else.
ForestrySA also do the Deadman Zone training.
ForestrySA does BBFF1, Suppress Wildfire, Leadership, AIIMS, ....... and everything else a rural brigare should.
There was no pressure boosting of a FireKing at the Bluff fire, you just cant pressure boost a fire king.
There were no 30 length hose lays at the Bluff Fire.
The safest place to be is on the burnt edge, whether its one length or twenty lengths away from the truck.
ForestrySA has attended 76 fires to date this year, only 1 was started accidentally by an employee (with a slasher).
The vast majority of fires that ForestrySA attends are away from the forest.
The biggest causes of fires in forests are lightning and arson.

Anything else, just ask!