Train/tram crossings

[Jono]

Are there any official rulings on crossing a leveling P1 once the boom gates/lights have operated?

Just crossed my mind today as we don't deal with any crossings in our area.

[SA Firey]

Are there any official rulings on crossing a level crossing P1 once the boom gates/lights have operated?

Just crossed my mind today as we don't deal with any crossings in our area.

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COSO 8
Drivers shall not proceed over a railway or tram crossing when:
Warning signals are operating
When directed not to by an employee of a Rail Operating System Organisation

[Zippy]

in my area...i only know its a no no.

we have a train-crossing/loop that potentially cuts off 1/4-1/5 of our response area...hence if we come across a sitting train over the line, we respond hahndorf or littlehampton on sight of train, as it would definately take 4-8mins to get to a fire the otherside of the line.  (id hope we were dual responded anyway  )

[Jono]

Are there any official rulings on crossing a level crossing P1 once the boom gates/lights have operated?

Just crossed my mind today as we don't deal with any crossings in our area.

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COSO 8
Drivers shall not proceed over a railway or tram crossing when:
Warning signals are operating
When directed not to by an employee of a Rail Operating System Organisation

Thanks, simple

[pumprescue]

Only a stupid person would cross once the gates are down...........

[mack]

Only a stupid person would cross once the gates are down...........

Have seen it done... yikes!!! talk about risking your crew and equipment.


And all for what??? an AFA... 

[F.B.R.T]

Our services procedure would be to turn off lights and siren, advise commcen of delayed response (they might respond another appliance) and wait to it passes.

Not too much else you could do!

[JamesGar]

Personally I find it a great opportunity to get infront of traffic waiting at the boom gates, by traveling on the opposite (wrong) side of the road and awaiting until the boomgate raise, then move to the correct side of the road infront of the traffic travelling in the right direction.  Would never cross a rail crossing if boom gates down, lights flashing or bells ringing.

[6739264]

Look left, look right, look left again, put the hammer down.

[rescue5271]

You would have to be a filtered  to risk the life of yourself and crew just to get over a railway crossing to get to a job...so stop at the crossing wait for the train to pass then go go go go ..........

[Zippy]

also wait for the potential 2nd train to pass if its a dual line crossing      hence wait for lights to stop....then look both ways incase the crossing electrics have faulter'd...

[SA Firey]

Refer to COSO 8 make no mistake

[JC]

Only ever done it once, that was in NSW for the bushfires and we had to cross track with gates down, but there was also a person from the Transport Department there saying that it was a malfunction in the gates and trains had also been stopped from running on the line due to the fires, so doesn't really count.

Wouldn't even think of doing it normal situations, cause if you put it in sport terminology, trains are back 2 back undefeated premiers when playing cars & trucks.

[Blue]

Personally I find it a great opportunity to get infront of traffic waiting at the boom gates, by traveling on the opposite (wrong) side of the road and awaiting until the boomgate raise, then move to the correct side of the road infront of the traffic travelling in the right direction.  Would never cross a rail crossing if boom gates down, lights flashing or bells ringing.

No need to rush cos by then Blackwood will be on scene 

[Stefan KIRKMOE]

I have been in a situation where I was approaching a train intersection P1..... I could see the train coming from the left but the driver was hanging out the cabin of the train... there was no boom gates but flashing lights only and he was directing me through, he made it quite clear of what to do so I did.... I could see the train slowing or else I would have stopped.... Interesting to have a train give way to you on a P1...

[ltdan]

Not a train frother but will give you some tech specs about stopping distances

2000/2100 Transadeliade Railcars:

@90km/h to stop it will take 400metres

3000/3100 Transadelaide Railcars:

@90km/h to it will take 325metres.

Stopping distance of a interstate train vary but, calculate the length in total will give you maximum stopping distance.  Therefore 1500metre freight consist which is average in today's situation it will take a mximum of 1500metres at 90km/h.

COSO 8 is very clear.

DON'T PLAY WITH TRAINS AS THE ADVERT GOES

[bajdas]

Not a train frother but will give you some tech specs about stopping distances

2000/2100 Transadeliade Railcars:

@90km/h to stop it will take 400metres

3000/3100 Transadelaide Railcars:

@90km/h to it will take 325metres.

Stopping distance of a interstate train vary but, calculate the length in total will give you maximum stopping distance.  Therefore 1500metre freight consist which is average in today's situation it will take a mximum of 1500metres at 90km/h.

COSO 8 is very clear.

DON'T PLAY WITH TRAINS AS THE ADVERT GOES

Just for my curiosity, what is the average & maximum speed that TransAdelaide railcars operate at ? I catch an express train from Noarlunga & they seem to be travelling quickly in some sections of the track.

[Zippy]

as low as 25kmph on certain sections of track 

[ltdan]

Bajdas:

Max speed on TA Rail is 90km/h but not many tracks achieve this due to stopping and 'condition of track'.

Looking at the tech data on the train during servicing the average speed will change due to what line it is on and what service it is providing.  e.g. express to gawler or similiar has better average than belair or tonsley line.

But going with an average I would think that the average speed of a service would be between 60-90km/h.

A bit hard to give an exact average.

Trains speed can be as low as 2 km/h if it is deemed to occur for safety.  But I believe the slowest on the track currently is 15km/h.  Usually slow speed is from 15 - 30 kmh.

I know it does seem to be quick on the nunga line especially when at times of the trip all you can see is see but it would not be over 90 km/h as this is max speed for TA Trains.

[fireblade]

I use to be at a brigade that was near a train station and the drivers of the trains could see us coming a mile away so they would stop. Of cause you'd look for the second train and be more than cautious crossing the lines. If there was a freight train or a large interstate train forget about it, lights and sirens off put through a delayed response to Adelaide fire and wait.

This was years ago so I dont know what that brigade does now!

[Sarge]

Are there any official rulings on crossing a leveling P1 once the boom gates/lights have operated?

Just crossed my mind today as we don't deal with any crossings in our area.

Got a better one we have 5 level crossings yet none have boom gates or lights

[SA Firey]

Or like the Noarlunga line which buckled under the extreme heat the other week.STOP

[sesroadcrashrescue]

with saas we stop and wait to be directed thru by train staff or shut the siren up and wait for the train to go past tell comms we are held in trafic and keep going when we can. same if we cant get thru an  intersection EG we are in the wrong lane comming up to the intersection and cant change lanes and the lights go red turn the siren off leave the lights on as it indicates to traffic we are still in a hurry when the lights go green siren on and move off again and work our way thru traffic.