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Country Fire Service / Re: Time for 3 Fire services

« on: February 24, 2009, 09:18:09 AM »

Quote from: chook on February 03, 2009, 03:37:42 PM

fair call Blackdog, if it is as you say, I will have to agree with your statement of fact (as we are not a rescue resource don't have to follow that act )
Yep agree with your comment re: management but haven't really struck it in the Premier state - yet except for the "we won't recognise your storm qualification or your General rescue either" even though I lead a team in 2007 Newcastle storm emergency & hold National qualifications in General Rescue & RCR. No matter One has been soughted out & redoing the storm course wasn't bad either!
Nah Jaff - I'm always ready to be corrected - if I'm wrong of course!
Remember the old adage "fight the fights that are worthwhile & fight the fights you can win - but don't fight every fight cause you just sound like a DH"
Here is the section I was quoting:-
"SRB STATE RESCUE POLICY – 3rd Edition 6 June 2007
11 STATE RESCUE POLICY – Version 3.1 11
2.07 Volunteer Rescue Vehicles - Exemptions for drivers of emergency vehicles
The Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management)(Road Rules) Regulation
1999 do not provide exemptions from the provisions of the Australian Road rules
for volunteer rescue vehicles. Specifically, drivers of volunteer rescue vehicles
are to comply with all road signs, traffic lights and posted speed limits, even when proceeding to a rescue incident or emergency situation."
As the peak body for Rescue in NSW - thought it actually counted
sorry for the error - still interested in your opinion on the current situation in NSW Blackdog I find some of it confusing(have heard RFS people are looking at CFS for ideas)
cheers
cheers

The reference to 'volunteer rescue vehicles' actually refers to rescue volunteers private vehicles. SES and VRA vehicles are 'emergency vehicles' as defined by the ARR and respond - that's why they have lights and sirens.

The SRB wording is not very clear, and I can see how the misinformed might interpret it as restricting volunteer emergency vehicles when in fact it does not.

Country Fire Service / Re: Interstate deployments

« on: February 14, 2009, 10:28:54 AM »

Quote from: mac13 on February 14, 2009, 08:18:06 AM

well the deployment leaving today was meant be 100 but got cut to 50 for some reason

....like only 50 SACFS people were needed!

SA Firefighter General / Re: VIC Bushfires

« on: February 14, 2009, 10:22:39 AM »

Quote from: mac13 on February 14, 2009, 09:20:55 AM

i wouldn start questioning peoples motivation whiteknight....

And what would you mean by that?

SA Firefighter General / Re: VIC Bushfires

« on: February 14, 2009, 09:10:03 AM »

Quote from: Robert-Robert34 on February 14, 2009, 08:50:05 AM

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my arguement is everyone thats been before had to go a first time...how are we mean tto gain experience if this is whats happening...were good enough to get rung up to baby sit some smoking stumps on a strike team but not good enough to go interstate...

I agree with both Mac and malleefire theres a handful of us vollies who have been in the CFS for 5+ years and never been on an actual interstate deployment and are left to baby sit smoking stumps or a campfire here in South Australia

There is in fact, a heck of a lot of CFS volunteers with more than 5 years service who have never been on an interstate deployment. In fact I'd wager that there is more CFS volunteers who have not ever been on an interstate deployment, than those who have.

If your reason for being a CFS member is interstate deployments rather than protecting your own community, then I question your motivation.

SA Firefighter General / Re: VIC Bushfires

« on: February 09, 2009, 10:36:52 PM »

Quote from: mac13 on February 09, 2009, 09:35:39 PM

its hard to sit and watch the news and they report every available resource is rolling out of NSW to lend a hand.....

C'mon you're exaggerating a bit, actually you're exaggerating a lot!

NSW has sent approx 60 appliances and 300 firefighters.

Now when you consider the NSWFB and NSWRFS have a combined 2800 appliances amd 77,000 firefighters I'll actually say that there could be a significant increase in the resources that NSW could spare, and which VIC would use in preferance to certain CFS members.

All Equipment discussion / Re: Oxygen & AED stowage

« on: February 03, 2009, 04:04:14 PM »

Quote from: chook on August 16, 2008, 08:27:36 AM

Bill it may be standard stowage for CFS RCR but O2 is not listed in the equipment list in the Road Crash Rescue directory. And this is the "bible".
And why should it? RCR brigades/units/teams role in life is to provide a Rescue capability, not be a "super team" that does everything!
Last time I looked into a SAAS bus they carried all of that stuff & based on recent events they would be paged to a RCR job before rescue, so why carry gear you don't need! It's just more training & maintenance you need to do.
On the other hand ask yourself why Inland marine don't carry O2? Would have thought the need was greater. If you want to take on the Paramedics job as well become a community responder unit for SAAS & all of the training & equipment needs would be coveeed by them
I think it's about time that CFS & it's people start looking at every wildfire enquiry in Australia since Ash Wednesday. Hidden in the pages somewhere is a recommendation that the Lead agency for wildfire (CFA,RFS,CFS)needs to focus on their core business - combating wildfire! Thats why in the states that have tried to combine their emergency services, there is still a volunteer "bush" fire brigade.
So in my humble opinion stop worrying about some piece of gear that someone else has (& something we have never missed) & just focus on what you have got & need.
cheers

So the core business of the CFA (Victoria) is wildfire?

So why do they protect over half of the urban area of Melbourne and all of the rest of the state including Geelong (pop 160,000), Ballarat (80,000) and Bendigo (80,000)?

So why do they have seven aerial appliances (Bronto's, Telebooms)?

So why do they employ 480 career firefighters (that's firefighters - not support staff).

So why in comparison do they have a greater structural/rescue/hazmat capacity than the SA MFS.

Because you say their core business is wildfires? - I think not.

All Equipment discussion / Re: Burnside Pumper

« on: February 03, 2009, 03:43:34 PM »

Any details of the pump fitted to the new Burnside Pumper, also who are the builders?

All Equipment discussion / Re: Larger Output Non PTO Pumps

« on: February 02, 2009, 02:30:32 PM »

Quote from: Zippy on February 02, 2009, 02:20:02 PM

the pump's on the new varley appliances seem fine, but theres still a hint of restrictive plumbing....

Varley only build some of the CFA's current 3.4C appliances, the rest are built by SEM. The Medium Pumper Tankers referred to are a different vehicle and are built by SEM only.

All Equipment discussion / Re: Burnside Pumper

« on: February 02, 2009, 02:27:09 PM »

Quote from: Pixie on May 22, 2007, 04:49:20 PM

The main thing i have againt the type two's is the fact that they only have one REAR MOUNTED hose reel. Even the Dennis has two... the other thing i dislike is the fact the the pumps are completly electronicaly controlled, and the positioning of the inlets/outlets. Midmount pumps are much better suited in urban pumpers IMO!! It woul also be nice if CFS chose a cab that could house BA seats, as they make the donning up process much, much quicker!! I understand that the reason for not implementing half of these features/functions is $$$, but what is the price of a life??? If someone dies in a burning car because you only had 1 HP line that you could use imediatly instead of two, the cost of all cfs urban pumpers having two HP lines is well and truly justified.

Pixie

Well nobody has died in a burning car in VIC or NSW because the Isuzu/Rosenbauer pumper 'only' has one HP hose reel. Obviously, if you need more water on a fire you use a 38mm, or a 64mm if the 38mm is insufficient.

All Equipment discussion / Re: Larger Output Non PTO Pumps

« on: February 02, 2009, 02:02:24 PM »

Take a look at the CFA's new Hino Medium Pumper Tanker that has been trialled and is just going into service.. GAAM Mk450 pump with own engine, 3000 lpm @ 700 kpa, 2200 lpm @ 1000 kpa, 4 x 64mm deliveries (2 each side), 1 x 100mm hard suction collector and 2 x 64mm collectors. (A wye adapter can also be fitted to the 100mm hard suction collector with a further 2 x 64mm collectors.)

Compartment Fire Behaviour / Re: Using 25mm Sidereels at Structure Fires

« on: February 02, 2009, 10:48:07 AM »

Quote from: Firefrog on August 12, 2007, 10:11:37 PM

I know crews who can get water on a fire by running one line, two lengths of 38 much faster than a crew dragging out 60 meters of HP line.

It's always a judgement call - You need to assess if the line has sufficient volume and pressure to overcome the heat release rate of the fire.

Better to have too much flow than not enough, but I understand the reasons why it is common to deploy HP off the bat while 38 is run.

Problem is the firefighters who 'deploy' the HP line, could be better used in ensuring the 38mm is run out even quicker, ie wasting resources running out the HP line, slows the running out of the 38mm.

Country Fire Service / Re: Time for 3 Fire services

« on: February 02, 2009, 09:58:15 AM »

Quote from: chook on January 29, 2009, 03:45:46 PM

And are some in your service (maybe the silent majority)hinting that they want to be more like the other Rural/country fire service & leave the more complicated stuff to someone else? Interesting NSWRFS aren't even allowed on a roof & no volunteers are allowed to operate over the speed limit & most like it that way.
cheers

I just thought you should know: NSWRFS firefighters are permitted to work on roofs at storm damage and similar incidents if they have the SWR (Safe Work on Roofs) qualification and at structure fires if VF (Village Firefighter) qualified.

In addition, there is no legal difference (Australian Road Rules as adopted by NSW Road Transport Act) in the exemptions afforded to volunteer versus paid emergency service workers when responding in an emergency vehicle, ie there IS an exemption from complying to posted speed limits. In addition the NSWRFS imposes no additional restrictions via SOP's with regard to posted speed limits.

So given your initial two statements are incorrect, I'm having some trouble with the 'most like it that way' bit.

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