SA Firefighter

Quote from: misterteddy on April 23, 2009, 02:53:29 PM

Quote from: Pipster on April 23, 2009, 01:51:14 PM
To get an FDI over 50 with the figures on the forecast yesterday then we had to be looking at over 15 t/hectare fuel loading.....do people seriously think we have that? If thats the case....then the 2 days before should have been too (with temps higher and RH lower)

FFDI's are set regradless of fuel load. Where did you pull this 15 T per H from in relation to FFDI's. And yes 15 t/hectare is very possible in the Adelaide Hills and common. Totness for example has 32 T/hectare.

What's the point / value of making remarks like those directed to Hahndorf? Like many towns Hahndorf is small however has the problem of high public visitation during the day causing more responses than might be expected by a typical brigade from a town this size. 

Have to agree with chook.

Waste of money!

Makes sense in the urban environment but in region 3?

What's wrong with the local station as an IMT point like what is done now.

Ask any member who is thinking what is best for their community, I'm sure a big fire truck that can deliver an portable office priority 1 in 3 minuets flat, is not high on their list

I was never suggesting let a forest burn, nor not attack a fire in extreme conditions I was mealy stating that when you leave the edge of a fire you can get yourself in trouble.

Mealy suggesting that we should let a scrub fire burn (the abandoned) house analogy is laughable. On extreme days this attitude leads to fires that become completely uncontrollable.

Crew position is key and is something that SA fire crews do very badly. The safe anchor point and keeping the immediate option to move onto burnt ground open, is key to staying safe. Leaving a fire to burn when close enough to see the fire (as opposed to back burning) is not an option.

The CFS does burnover training wrong to start with.

There is too little training in how not to get caught in a burn over. A comment earlier on this page refers to what to do with a strike team caught in a forest fire. Quite simply unless you are working from a anchor point you do not enter that forest. I'm sure part of your training requires you to watch the deadman zone. Why would you go into a forest on a day of high enough FFDI to cause a burnover and not be right at the edge of the fire?

If caught in a burn over the training should read put your head between your knees and kiss your arse goodbye as escape from an intense burnover in anything other than a Fireking without you or your crew sustaining injuries is incredible rare. 

No forest is worth that much.

My point from my first comment I guess was that there is an attitude difference with different fire services. It seems that the US government agrees with me

http://www.pe.com/digitalextra/metro/wildfires/stories/PE_News_Local_D_esperanza23.3f1ec99.html

There is no excuse for that sort of loss. The "firefighting culture" is where the difference lies between various fire agencies, especially (in general) the American fire departments
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Anyone know whats going on in KI. Parks and WIldlife let a burn get away from them eh?