SA Firefighter

Quote from: SimpleJack on December 02, 2010, 01:47:30 PM
ah I missed hering from BYGB heeeeeeis all class typical Dalkeith

hering???? why are you throwing misspelt fish at me? I'm guessing Dalkeith is one of those brigades that does it for free  :evil: I don't get out of bed unless there's cash involved  :mrgreen:

Jeez "numbers" its been 65 years since WWII. In case you haven't noticed chains and your beloved air chisel have been relegated to the history of URAR. Get with the times, or get out.

Yeah its gonna be the big one this year, I can feel it in my bones, the ants are walking at funny angles to the sun, three blacks cat crossed the road with their heads up a chickens bum  :-o

Same ole same ole conversation at this time every year.  Sheesh you get what you get and deal with it however the situation determines. No sense in working yourselve up into a frenzy before the first pager goes off.

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Everyone is entitled to their person opinions and the are NEVER STUPID for expressing them.
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That would be true if many of the opinions proffered in these forums were not purported to be factual statements  :lol:

For starters Undertake Road Accident Rescue is a pre requisite of Undertake Aviation Response (General & Specialist) therefore why would such a role (if it was to even exist) be given to a non rescue brigade to start with?

Secondly CASA dictates (based on the international standard) the requirements for airfield response irrespective of whether it is publically or privately owned. The response type is based on not just aircraft types but total passenger movements. For all the techno nerds out there who feel the need to become self proclaimed experts you can find all the details through the CASA website.


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Dead set no wonder some of you are volunteers and not paid to do the job, because you don't listen!

The verticle ramming was shown as a trial and you were privvy to providing input and to assess if its going to be a valid technique.

Tunneling is an advanced technique being reintroduced to experienced rescue operators as another method to work around new car technology

Yes Arthur is still stuck in Enerpak/Fag Lukas land and is only going to issue 1 ram (Give the man a Darwin award  :?)

Holmatro 3000 series cutters fitted with NCT blades are meant to be able to handle new technology materials (According to Holmatro)

Core Technology most likely won't be widely introduced to CFS due some issues with hoses overseas (one of them being not liking hot environments) and the inability to visually inspect the inner hose.

Streamline couplings have many advantages, even allowing a Lukas tool to run on a Holmatro pump and vice versa (Holmatro/Chubb are not particularly happy with this)

So maybe next time some of you should actually listen to what you are told, and not go off half cocked and making yourself look exceedingly stupid on the internet!

Rope Wankars, all the same....sheesh  :lol:. But i'd be tending to take my advice from the Industrial Fire Service (ESO's, ERT's) guys, since they actually deal with it more than all the SA Public emergency services combined. For the record single rope is on the way out kiddies, the majority of the other states and industrial services have moved onto twin rope, for many of the reasons listed in the arguments supporting it. Seems only some of the SES's and some of the Super Special Rescue Op's  :wink: haven't caught up with the times.

Quote from: chook on June 09, 2009, 06:08:58 PM
Then why do some fire services members consistently make adverse comments about us? - by the way I was one of us a short time ago. However your comments are valid, so I won't comment further. !  :wink:

  Yeah that's so unfair, i've reformed my ways...I no longer ask for Send Extra Sandwhich's, or can some get that Witch's hat to walk over there, or can someone ask the Secondary Electricity Supply to turn that light on... :-D :-D :-D :-D


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Quote from: crashndash on June 10, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
BYG....thats precisely the reason the National Medal was introduced, diligent long service in an emergency type organisation

"The National Medal recognises long and diligent service by members of recognised organisations that help the community during times of crisis."

I agree completely with your sentiments about who does and who doesn't get it. Sadly these things are always subjective, and in many cases come down to how well you write the proposal. Having done a couple my advice is to get the citation of someone who has been awarded it, and make your application sound pretty much the same. Thats at least a start - its a game,m but with awards its how well you play the game that gets u a tick to move through.

  The main issue is the application of "diligent" which when applied loosely has devalued the "currency" and before long there will be more undeserving recipients than deserving with the letters AFSM after their names, all because some people write better proposals than others.  "Y'all can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig!"
  Hence the need to offer a lesser award that still values length and contribution to the service and removes the need for "playing the game".
AFSM for diligent long service
Kerr? Medal for meritous long service (more measurable criteria, less open to interpretation)
I don't personally know any of the recent recipients and am not passing judgment on them individually or their achievements.  Just making a passing judgement on the process that has led to some highly questionable recipients in previous years.

Rant now concluded  :-)

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most of those actually didn't get a mention funnily
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  They never do, some (not all) recipients of AFSM's in recent years have devalued the true intent of the award.

An AFSM should be awarded for actions above and beyond what you are employed/elected to do, not because:

• You happen to be a DGO/GO/RO/RC
  
• Achieve simply 20 years service and do your employed/elected job diligently
  
• You've got "friends in high places"
  
• It's your turn
  

  Example 1:  A recipient being awarded an AFSM for services and commitment to training when in fact it is well known of their disdain for the RTC and those employed there, to the point of making working relationships hard for those under their command to volunteer time at the "school"
  Example 2: A recipient being awarded an AFSM for service and when the recipients service record is truly examined it has revealed they certainly haven't achieved any thing above and beyond what is expected of a person of their elected rank, or for that fact they have achieved less than some of the non rank holding members of their brigade have achieved. But the local MP is an auxiliary member of the brigade and in most contact with the elected person.

  Possibly a meritous long service decoration should be awarded leaving the AFSM as the pinnacle of fire service decorations for those that truly earn it.

Quote from: Bill Corcoran on June 08, 2009, 04:14:59 PM
Well done to those members of the service who today where given Queens birthday awards for service to the community....

  Particularly for those that actually earnt it!  :-D

Quote from: Alex on June 09, 2009, 10:16:52 PM

Quote from: Hazmat206 on June 09, 2009, 09:36:32 PM

But like you said, if the firies were concerned, the station officer would chase it up.

Yeh exactly, sorry my wording was probly a little harsh earlier.

  Well if you're not happy, which Dwarf are you then?..Dopey, Nosey, Grumpy..... :-D


I crack me up :-D :-D :-D

Quote from: K99 on June 07, 2009, 07:37:20 PM
Join the Mets Mate. Dont do anything for free.

  Welcome back K99, been a long time! Good to see your fishing skills haven't deteriorated, i'm sure you'll get plenty of bites with that bait..roflmfao  :-D

Quote from: K99 on June 07, 2009, 07:45:45 PM
The last time we had someone trapped up a tower, we put a bag of Hungry Jacks at the bottom of the tower. Eventually the person became hungry and climbed down unaided.
This way, the only person put at risk was himself.

P.S He even gave me most of his fries.

Hopefully the RF signal or transmission line wasn't isolated and kept everything nice and warm, nothing worse than soggy fries   :-D

Quote from: Zippy on June 07, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
MFS: *CFSRES INC001 07/06/09 00:14,RESPOND To,1040 MT PLEASANT CFS,MT PLEASANT MAP 0 0 0 TG096,000 CALLER REPORTS SMOKE GETTING HIM, PO,SSIBLY DRUNK,MPLT19


20 minutes later


MFS: *CFSRES INC001 07/06/09 00:34,RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE,1040 MT PLEASANT CFS,MT PLEASANT MAP 0 0 0 TG096,1040 SPRINGTON RD,SPRG00 BIRD19 WLLM19




Im taking one big assumption that Mt Pleasant rocked up to a fair going house fire...with a crew of 4, with about 1 BA operator? And responding on the belief that its a bon fire (rural response).

Yes well with an initial page of "possibly drunk" trivialises the response message and it would certainly change the mindset of responding crews, very poor on behalf of AF.  Whilst the call receiver might think that, they certainly have no proof, and are foolish to sow the seed in the mind of the initial responding crew.  Hence what the actual job was.

I tend to agree with you all, that the intent and timeframes are fine, and produce a firefighter who can attend all incident types.  The push for splitting the course and making "rural" firefighters and "urban/rural" firefighters is coming from the rural brigades who attend very few incidents and incident types, and this push is gaining ground because we have a Chief who is trying to regress us back into being a "bushfire" fighting service, through his own lack of knowledge and experience in the urban realm (No matter how nice a bloke he is!). And unfortunately when the CO's advisory group (or what ever its called) is predominantly made up of old men who haven't ridden a fire truck in years and are still stuck in 1983! and "pure" rural brigades out number Peri urban brigades (Including brigades in major rural centres who do 90 odd % of the organisations call outs) you are not going to see this push for decreased training/standards/equipment etc.  fall by the wayside.

Quote from: 2468 on June 06, 2009, 11:33:55 AM
Ah different company to one i'm thinking of. I did a course with one and it felt just a week of sale pitch for the system hardware and software they were selling...

And they don't work over 150 feet... rang last week to see... kinda weak with a turbine over 80m

Just wondering cause when i drive up to the mines i've seen them training on the turbines... would be bitch of a rescue though.

  I'd be guessing you definitely were looking at a different company.  As the one I referred to, doesn't push the sales pitch. 
As for not working over 150feet (30M) I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it, have you ever had to climb a tower? I can tell you its not just a quick shimmy up, especially when you've got rescue gear clipped to you. And at the end of the day it doesn't make too much of a difference if its 10m or 110m (just a filtered long climb) the techniques are exactly the same.  Hence doing 80M climbs just for the sake of doing them on a course would decrease the amount of time available to work on skills. For your reference it takes approx 30mins to 60mins+ (If you're lead climbing without a ladsaf system) to climb a 60M tower (with all your rescue gear just to start a main line and secure the casualty) and that's a fairly fit person.  You would be looking at somewhere between 1 to 1 1/2 hours (if not longer) from arrival to having the person down at this height!

Hey SA Firey, can't work out how i'm back and entertaining a civil discussion in a thread without attempting to piss people off. Eh normal transmission to resume shortly, better break out the Kleenex  :-D

Quote from: SA Firey on June 06, 2009, 10:29:26 AM

Quote from: Big Yellow Gongbeater on June 06, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
I'd be asking myself "why bother?" Fine if you want to be overworked, underpaid, fighting the old boys club constantly, working out which faction to align to in order to progress your career, not gaining any real experience in fire fighting and day to day emergency response (unless you remain a volunteer,but then you will be frowned upon and harassed by bored RC's should you become a brigade officer) inbreed and only have relationships with other SACFS staff or volunteers due to never having a life outside of SACFS.
filtered since i've sold it that well, I might even apply for one...NOT

  But seriously best of luck with that, if that's your personal career goal.  :-D
We volunteer to help our communities and gain satisfaction, we get paid to work!

Not to mention the intra and interstate travel at a moments notice when required!!

The old analagy you "work to live, not live to work" applies :-D

  Doh yeah forgot about those ones..good pick up  :-D

Quote from: 2468 on June 06, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Theres a lot of companies... two in the foot hills, and of course those that work only at Roxby.

Who does the training for the Turbines in SA>?? Local company or Interstate one?

I mean as who does the turbine training could teach the cfs and ses and mfs etc who ever responds... ie closest

  Yes there a lot of companies that deliver it, but only a couple are worth their Salt. And BHP Emergency Services use the company I referred to. I also think you'll find that the company that delivers the training to the turbine people only deliver a user specific package that incorporates a rescue component for "their" people and are not RTO's for the delivery of Rescue training for the greater community.

 I'd be asking myself "why bother?" Fine if you want to be overworked, underpaid, fighting the old boys club constantly, working out which faction to align to in order to progress your career, not gaining any real experience in fire fighting and day to day emergency response (unless you remain a volunteer,but then you will be frowned upon and harassed by bored RC's should you become a brigade officer) inbreed and only have relationships with other SACFS staff or volunteers due to never having a life outside of SACFS.
Hell since i've sold it that well, I might even apply for one...NOT

  But seriously best of luck with that, if that's your personal career goal.  :-D
We volunteer to help our communities and gain satisfaction, we get paid to work!

Tower rescue is a specialty within the vertical rescue domain. I'd doubt that many (if any) of the Emergency Services (possibly other than SAMFS) have the correct type of equipment and training to undertake it, as towers e.g. comms, power etc present unique hazards not associated with general rope rescue. As for Confined Space Rescue, RCR brigades are not equipped to deal with CSR. CSR is more aligned to Hazmat or USAR than RCR, prerequisites for CSR include CABA,Rope Rescue and Atmospheric Monitoring.  The biggest misconception that some people have (including poster's on this thread) are to confuse Tower Rescue, Confined Space Rescue and Vertical Rescue with Working at Heights and Confined Space Entry.  One level of training is to enable a user to conduct activities (work)in that discipline using a particular level of equipment and procedures, while the other focus's on Rescue from those activities using in most cases completely different equipment and procedures.
  As for who should be doing the rescue's? The closest available resource who can commit to the undertaking the training, and maintaining the skills (it takes more than one training session a year to truly remain competent)irrespective of which agency they are.
  And as for who can deliver this training?  Sorry to respectively inform some of you its not SES (for a whole host of reasons, that should really be on another thread) and you probably wouldn't receive it from SAMFS, and since i'm not into using this place as an advertising endorsment is a company well known to nearly all poster's on here.  And they deliver all of this training Australia wide to all Emergency Service agencies (Public and Industrial) in all states, and part of South East Asia as well

  My thoughts only and possibly for the first time in history my only sensible post.. :-D

Quote from: misterteddy on April 30, 2009, 02:13:55 PM

Quote from: 6739264 on April 27, 2009, 12:13:23 AM
As per the '05 SACFS Regulations:

Division 2:

(6) A person is not eligible to be nominated for election to an officer rank if the person—

     (a) would, if elected, hold the rank and the rank of group officer or deputy group
         officer at the same time; or
     (b) would, if elected, hold the rank and a command or operational rank in another
         recognised emergency service at the same time; or
     (c) has been disqualified from holding the rank by the Chief Officer.

So although it doesn't specifically address Regional positions... it does make for interesting reading.

So much for all you Officers in SAPol and SAMFS! ;)

read further on in the Regulations Numbers.....

(8) The Chief Officer may, on the application of an SACFS brigade—
(a) determine that subregulation (6)(a) or (b) will not apply to a particular person;

do we assume this is indeed a mountain out of a molehill.....each affected Brigade only needs to apply formally in writing to the Chief, with (hopefully the endoresement of the SAVFBA - cos they will see the idiocy of wasting time in this manner) for an exemption and all will be apples....right?? After all...its not personal is it??

To be honest....if I was the conspiracy theorist type, I'd be thinking this was a part of a concerted effort by Region Commanders to get rid of the pesky thorn in the side vocal types that are in Groups and Brigades out there that make them (the Regions ) accountable for the dumbness that prevails out of their offices, some of whom have positions within our friends in red trucks service. Seems awfully convenient doesnt it?

As for our A/R3 commander...stick to your guns mate.....your Brigade would have been in a far worse state of play these days without your long standing guidance, support and filtered hard work. Nice payback isnt it....sort of makes u feel appreciated ....like syphilis

  Your spot on there Ted, not just conspiracy theorist !
Also seems some have forgotten where many of these staff (Including the RC's) gained their operational experience that lead to them being employed by the organisation to start with.  Having said that, there are also some filtered ordinary staff members around all the regions that I wouldn't like in an Officers/SFF position in my brigade.

Quote from: firefighter_sa on June 07, 2008, 10:17:09 AM


Hi there

It pays between 60-70k  - in relation to other ESO positions (Money is poor)

Apart from the money - its good points: Its 2 weeks on 2 off, only on call for nights and flying in and out of Adelaide.........

Wayne

  You work up there? Any other info, as the ad was very scant in detail.  What are the essential public safety qualifications that they are seeking?

Cheers

  It's obviously a case of "you want the truth, you can't handle the truth".  Of course with the highly intellegent posts that some of you people have previously placed, PYRO mustn't have gone through the process he's described, because you know better. Of course with all your years of wisdom and experience, and the countless thousands of jobs you've been to, you'd not be lowering yourselves to apply for positions as "mere" fire fighters with the SAMFS, you guys are only looking at the Chief Officer's positions and above. It's gongbeaters like you that give the vast majority of SACFS volunteers a bad name.

Quote from: PYRO1 on March 30, 2008, 09:56:34 AM
Im sick of all the BS that has been going on with recruitment over the past 7 to 8 years in which I have been involved with. I have probably applied maybe 6 times I think and it basically all ends in some sort of BS.

I have passed everything 3 times but failed to secure full time employment.

last year I passed everything and was told I am on a 12 month list for next intake. This year I get all the emails saying I must now re apply... I wrote back stating my "waitlisting" is in the required 12 months so please explain. Was then told  that the 12 months will be expired by the time intake STARTS recruit course. Just so happens that this is around 2 0r 3 weeks after my waitlist expires.

I agree totally with Jason....quote Ah i wouldn't quite say there intakes are fair if you are a English Caucasian & male end quote

Special information sessions for females, special info sessions for Aboriginals and TS islanders.....more BS

SAMFS are certainly not equal opportunity employers.

I have to sometimes think "do I wish to be part of an organisation that cannot run a fair and unbiased intake instead of changing the rules every year to suit them".

SAMFS You Suck!

  Yes I can fully understand your position PYRO1, although your sign off is I would gather is born of frustration.

  As for you other goobs, obviously you've never passed a comprehension exam.  Read the post, passed all aspects, on wait list for next intake, changes in process.  One of the rules of the forum is no personal attacks is it not?