SA Firefighter

If you want to know anything about ESO jobs PM me. Happy to let you know what you need to get into the mining industry as an ESO. I have recently recruited for ESO's in the Pilbara and noticed one or 2 CFS Vollies in the mix. Good to see guys prepared to have a go. And yes $100K ++++ is not out of the question for the right person, even with no mining experience.

A blonde walks into an ANZ branch in Sydney and asks for the loan officer. She says she's going to Europe on business for two weeks and needs to borrow $5,000. The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the blonde hands over the keys to her new Rolls Royce parked on the street in front of the bank. Everything checks out, and the bank agrees to accept the car as collateral for the loan.
The bank's president and it officers all enjoy a good laugh at the blonde for using a $250,000 Rolls as collateral against a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then proceeds to drive the Rolls into the bank's underground garage and parks it there. Two weeks later, the blonde returns, repays the $5,000 and the interest, which comes to $15.41. The loan officer says, "Miss, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away, we checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire. What puzzles us is, why would you bother to borrow $5,000?"

the blonde replied,
"Where else in sydney can I park my car for two weeks for only $15.41?"

As far as "private" fire servce go, Transfield are pretty good. Worked there for nearly 7 years and loved every minute of it. I only jumped ship because there was little room for promotion due to the very stable work force, and the money being splashed around in the mining industry at the moment was too hard to turn down :) I think having only 4 people leave in 7 years must say something for the company.

There is nothing stopping an individual wearing a boot that meets or exceeds the current CFS standard... why? show me where it is written that you will wear "x" boot??

Quote from: SA Firey on April 14, 2008, 11:26:43 AM


Thats fine boredmatrix, at least they have gear in them to start treatment whereas a Group Car responding doesnt have firefighting capabilities
SOP 4.5.relates to procedures responding to Automatic/Monitored Fire Alarms.

All responses are also based on responding in a minimum 24 appliance with a minimum of 4 CREW

Further to that an AFA should be a two brigade response at a minimum, and if  a brigade is unable to respond they must default to the next brigade not a group car :-o

Firstly SOP's are a guide only - Not the law or a COSO. Secondly there is nothing to State that all AFA's should be a two brigade response, further more if there is no pre determined response for a premises with AFA systems then 1 truck would be suficient. SOP 2.1 states recomendednot "It Shall be".

One could also argue that the "Closest most appropriate resource" was a command car that could get there 2 or 3 minutes (or more) ahead of a truck to make assessment on the need to upgrade or not?

Having spent 20 years with the Angaston Group i know how much of a pain it is to get 50% or more of your calls being fixed alarms... But it is still no excuse to send only a car. Having said this, that is not what happened, the next available resource was mobilised..No problem..at all. Is it not better to send a car that is only 2 minutes away to investigate while the next closest brigade is on the way and stop call that brigade and reduce the time they spend on a fixed alarm? As i see it there is no difference in sending a car to this than having a car /GO be first on scene at a wildfire and having an Ops officer / IC on the ground planning before the first truck arrives.

Firefrog is right. My intention of using a recording device was purely to jog my memory should i need to. In the Group i was in we burnt 2 copies to CD, i kept one personnaly and the other was kept by the GO. I still had notes taken by a scribe as there is information you will always need to refer back to and the recording just adds to these notes. I would only tell people i was recording if i was in a lengthy discussion with someone.

After this topic was raised again, i listened back to a job i did 18 months ago and i can remember evry phone call and every decision i made and my reasons for it. I could not recomend it enough to any one that has to make decisions and has some responsability at any incident.

I have used the IRiver T10 / T20 (Its an outdoors MP3 player and voice recorder) operationally and the recording quality is pretty good. The lowest recording setting gave about 36 hours, this level was more than enough to listen back to and take further notes or give to someone to type out the conversations you had. If only half the conversation was recorded eg phone call, my half of the conversation is enough to jog my memory now on what it was about. Just don't forget to say the time occassionally through the recording.

Name: Del
Agency: BHP ESO / CFS
Brigade: Ex Nuriootpa / Angaston Group
Position: Left in 2007 DGO1
Year Joined Agency: 1987?? As cadet
Trucks: See Sams for Nuri. BHP- 2 Scania Heavy Pumps,1 HSR (Hazmat, Struuctural, Rescue) 4 Ambulances. 3 Quick atttacks, remote area response trailer, 2 cars Over 3 sites
Station: 2 bay station and office complex
Average Calls per year: 500+ (over 3 sites)

And a proud UFU member!! They used to look after me!!

Government has forced Telstra to postpone the closure of CDMA til the end of April 2008... Surprise Surprise.

Quote from: Sarge on January 14, 2008, 11:49:00 PM

Quote from: Firefrog on December 19, 2007, 05:02:21 PM
Consider an area like the Barossa, hefty investment in huge infrastructure. Multi Storey buildings and extreme risk.

The nearest sky jet is at Oakden probably a solid forty minute drive to Nuri even with the assistance of green lights all the way. Surely a brigade like Tanunda, Nuri, Lyndoch should have appliances proportionate to the risk covered.

The risk should determine the appliances in stations not if the service providers are paid a wage or not. 8-)

Does that mean all country towns with concrete wheat silos should get aerials, cool place orders for Owen, Hamley Bridge, Balaklava, Tarlee, Mallala & half of the Yorke Pennisula send them with our tankers

Sarge you do need to get out more.

The Barossa has the highest rate of infrastructure development in the state. And has had so for the last 3 to 5 years. If you look at it realistically what is the long term economic loss to a community if a wheat silo smolders away and destroys it's self.... very little. When you assess a risk like those we are talking about (Not silos) the long term impact on the community  from an infrastructure loss (and the following consequences.. employment etc) the size of Orlando's or Fosters storage and packaging facilities needs a great amount of consideration.

One then begs the question, is it upto the government to provide fire cover (eg aerial appliances and large pumpers to boost sprinkler systems etc)above the BCA or should the government provide the resources to ensure protection / rescue of life that may be threatened by an incident within one of these large infrastructures and leave the company to deal with the fire protection and damage minimisation. You do not have to look to far to see those companies that provide an emergency response team and equipment to do just that.

An interesting area. I used a voice recorder at any incidents i attended as a member of an IMT for my own personal Rs covering. I also took my own notes. I burnt the recording to a CD and filed it. The advise i was given with this was that i could use it for my own personal use, to make extra notes from etc, but it would not be admissable in court unless i specifically stated to a person whom i may interview or discuss plans with was informed of the fact the discussion was being recorded. It was interesting listening back to the incident and being able to review the decisions made and how i performed and how i could do better next time. So if this was the intention of a helmet cam i think it is a great idea if used appropriatley.

Good idea but you won't want anyone to see you use it... Looks like it protrudes inside of the helmet area. Cop a blow to that side of the head and you will know about it.

Quote from: big bronto on December 20, 2007, 08:32:30 PM
It is good to look at these sorts of appliances but no offence to keep up the training and having competent operators of a skyjet would not work in the cfs, cfs do not do enough calls to maintain skills on operators and it would put more pressure on volunteers to regularly train and operate the appliance at jobs.

Mt Gambier have a skyjet to cover the southeast, barossa if anyone was to get a skyjet it would be the retained crew at tanunda, north there are many retained station that could station a skyjet, west coast could go to lincoln or whyalla and a skyjet to mt barker would not take long at all.

CFS need to invest in putting monitors on all their pumpers, the need for a skyjet needs to be looked at, do you want this appliance for rescue capabilities or just firefighting?? what i mean is are you using it for a block of flats or housing or just a few big factories/ shops you may have in your area.

You tool. So you are saying Tanunda retained firies would be more likely to get a skyjet because they would do more training and have more calls to maintain skills??????

Tanunda MFS do less than 15 working jobs a year and struggle to get members. The only reason they would get one would be if the UFU / powers that be wanted to put one there for some political reason.

Any coupling is only as good as the person using them!

Well after having used BIC couplings for years and thinking how careful you had to be with them and how much maintenance was required compared to the London Round couplings... Now after being in WA for 3 months and using BIC on a mine site. Treat them like crap and they still work fine. The water we use for fire fighting is 9 times saltier than sea water, the clean up water is marginally less than sea water and the couplings are fine. All they get is a squirt of CRC or similar after use. And we don't have a lot of bitumen out here either, so they stand up well in a fairly aggresive environment.

How many SES units actually do confined space rescue. I don't think that over the whole state there is too many SES Units or CFS brigades or MFS stations covering this specific response?

Hicksflat14.... its idiots like you and that sort of stupid ideology that in areas of the state brings the service into disrepute. Pull your head in and start to portray the service in the light that it deserves!

Duty of care..... if you don't have the skills or training to carry out that duty and you stuff up.. even if you are prepared to take responsabilty.. you will be hung and dried.

CFS have been spanked yet again in the budget handed down last week.

If they are not owned by FAC.(or the DOD) Most airstrips/airfields are owned by councils around the country. There are very few private strips around(if any) that can land anything much bigger than a cessna.

Rescuehazmat.... 20 years cfs experience, 6 as a brigade lieutenant and 6 as a DGO. i think i have had some exposure..... All in a reasonabley active urban / rural area.

Ex aviation firey and ex DGO, now Snr ESO in a mine WA.

I can tell you SA has no problems, look at Newman, WA, has 2 x 737's plus numerous other regional flights a day. All covered by a volunter station and the surrounding mines rescue guys, all with no training. But if you look at the CASA and ICAO standards there is absolutley no requirement to have a F & R service available in those situations. So why waste cfs resources training for a situation that is already the responsability of another govt. organisation?

Its a logistics vehicle. If you need a comand car... get one... call in another groups if yours are all busy or tied up. Its not hard.

More like they are buying the 70 series.... CFS buy 70 vehicles..... you are so funny. Think about it!!!