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very interesting post there hicksflat, with some very interesting points... i still believe the group has gone along the wrong lines, although you are obviously happy with the way PBI has been handled. you obviously know who i am and dislike me, but i have no idea who you are.... i will however be looking to find the most offensive person in the group and im sure it will be you  :wink:

fire03rescue - that is extremely mature, im sure you will be the first in line at blackwood when they give it out friday. i however have no idea when i will actually be able to get a chance to organise mine.


anyway, this will be my last post re; PBI. although im keen to read everyone elses posts.


Medevac

Maybe your not Jasec....


but multi storey schools and hospitals, as well as large shopping centres and nursing homes are huge urban risks....


admittedly we are not talking about 10 storey buildigns, but still....

which link through the bom 24p?

Its conducted at various sites throughout the state.... i dont believe it is available on the internet to the public though..... ?

Quote from: Firefrog on January 31, 2007, 10:21:16 AM
last volunteer had a table showing PBI to be used for everything except rural.

that wasnt an SOP or anything though.... just a guide of what it is approved for.
it would be downright stupid to wear it to a prang on a 40degree day (or even a 22degree day ;) )

Well if it is true then it is illegal

no



hicksflat and myself are refering to nomex, becasue the whole of sturt group BA or not, wear it for everything at the moment.

no new paging software that im aware of... sorry thought you were talking about firemon

10:05:06 31-01-07 OH81 Cat3 7 Morning Glory Av, O'halloran Hill 165 G12


possibly a viagra overdose??? :lol:

I cant for the life of me remember which one, but there is a CFS brigade run by a correction al facility somewhere..... either in region 3 or 6... not sure.

what do you mean fire03rescue?

we dont need to acess the alarm system from computers at stations... any fiddlign should be done at the actual premises or at state level via consultation with whoever the person that does that stuff is...

mundcfs i would say that depends a lot on the individual brigade and there response area

Quote from: MrT on January 29, 2007, 09:03:42 PM

Quote from: medevac on January 29, 2007, 07:24:57 PM
shouldnt the drvier be wearing a seatbelt? surely he wouldnt smak his head then....


just jokes

Maybe a joke, but you are correct, should be wearing a seatbelt at all times when the vehicle is not stationary.

as i said, just jokes. i have actually read my SOPs and COSOs

hicksflat - that is a very interesting post

you still have explained very little behind the actual reasoning of the group and why they were so reluctant to issue it, other than paperwork. and judging by your post they have supposedly recieved there gloves and are now issuing it without the said paperwork anyway? so i guess the delay was pointless then, as the gloves only took a week after they got off there asses and sized firies up for them...

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you know for a fact that it offers a higher level of protection for the firies at structure jobs (which is its sole purpose in CFS)
do I?

the protection offered by PBI over nomex is superior in its ability to protect from radiant heat and also the firies gettin steamed... the gear also has a number of little nice bits n pieces that help to cover your filtered, including a collar that doesnt flip flop around and is actually high enough to cover your whole neck and thumb hooks to actually help protect your wrists properly!!! but you should know this as i get the impression that your a paid firie (or at least wish you were) and possibly wear it regularly.

short of walking around in some kind of futuristic bubble i am not sure what would protect you from a falling wall, or falling through the floor or off a ladder... so perhaps stop coming up with rubbish to try to make yourself sound intelligent as it just gives the opposite effect.

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All the group is doing is putting firies at more risk than necessary.
No the line is the same as it has ever been if you don't feel you have the equipment or training to do a task safely then don't do it. You can be injured and die in nomex you can be injured and die in PBI. There is a wide spectrum of risks many of them larger then externally generated heat.

firies are at more risk than necessary in nomex than PBI at structure fires. this point is obvious. whether you are inside a structure or just doign a surround and drown the gear offers a higher level of protection from the radiant heat, and also covers all parts of your body properly.

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also i am interested... why would a mt lofty firie be wearing his PBI to a strike team?
Who said it was a male? In this case both genders were involved.

Anyway you ask them. (and this was a strike team they sent to Mt Gambier) but you see them at other grass fires wearing it as was photographed by the Advertiser a few months back. Not that Lofty fire fighters are the only ones.

Have to admit i dont particularly care what the lofty group are doing and fail to see how much the efforts of the so called "MFS-wannabes" and posers really matters, as i have no interest in wearing it to any call other than structure related which is why it has been supplied.

QuoteAlso I think you will find that business interest is a supplier of PBI gold as well

the business i believe you are referring to has nothing to do with PBI, nor did it get the CFS tender for flashhoods (i believe).... perhaps they are supplying the gloves to the group, i dont know.

QuoteNot rolling out PBI has not lead to the purchase of any extra nomex and never will

so the large stockpile of nomex came from where??? sure wasnt bought to go straight on any hooks at stations... id say it definitely lead to more nomex being bought  :wink:

QuoteAlso you could run the line that why is CFSHQ issuing proban grass fire uniforms when you would know for a fact nomex offers a "higher level of protection" to use your words. (I actually think CFSHQ may have back flipped on this and may go for nomex for grass fire uniforms as it wears better and therefor has lower life costs)

the nomex treatment may be superior to the Proban treatment, however the nomex gear in use currently by CFS does not conform to australian standards, whereas the proban does.

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not to worry though hicksflat - I'm actually in the process of a formal letter to region re the PBI
I hope you were going to asking them to provide the Sturt group with the simple documentation the group has been asking for, for the last 6 months or so.

actually it was gonna be more along the lines of why has my personal issue gear been sitting in the sturt store rooms for the past 4 or so months, please explain. the gear doesnt belong to the group in any way so why have they been holding onto it, the group store is just a central delivery point for LION apparel.

QuoteWell this issue is now dead

I fail to see how the issue is now dead...

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@ ATH
The fact is this whole PBI topic is a fan boy issue. "I want it as the people who get paid and I urn to be wear it"

actualyl mate ATH does get paid to wear it.... but you know that cos your a long time reader first time poster? (or poser???)

was at the station and there are lots of white bags from Lion with names on them...

something must be actually happening. might hang onto that letter for a little while.....



PROGRESS!!!!!

its probly from back when the times were out.....

hahahhah.... ahhh.  :lol:

i dont see why anyone would harass you about it?

seems to me they are just retards... be the better person and just forget it. but dont forget that if it is a big issue, then go straight to the boss.

if this management dude is harrasing you, go above his or her head....

who cares what is in the way?

if SAAs are in a stupid position then so be it... there fault. you explain the danger they are putting themselves in and if they choose to ignore you then its there asses on the line..

get in there and do it, same as any job.

then put in a complaint formally after the incident.

Quote from: fire03rescue on January 29, 2007, 10:34:56 AM
The only problem with email messages from your computer is  it can take sometime

Airsource is good but I think you can only use it if you are the Administrator of the PC, not Power Users

the emails are not even slightly reliable.

airsource is good software, we encountered an issue runnign ADSL and using airsource, but i believe there was a way around it, cant remember atm though.

backburn, the new system is being phased in slowly i believe,,,, those messages you see every now and then that contain *WFAM* are a part of the new alarm system....

shouldnt be too long hopewfully.

shouldnt the drvier be wearing a seatbelt? surely he wouldnt smak his head then....


just jokes

fire03rescue -
i have been trying to get the ball rolling for the past 12 months at least. you would not believe the number of times this has been brought up with brigade reps for the group meetings, but alas they do not really care, neither does the brigade OH/S rep.

hicks flat 14 -
firstly, nice to see a sturt group officer/brigade officer having there input (also i didnt think duplicate accounts were allowed?)...
so tell us, what is the real reason sturt group dont want to issue PBI? forget the stories about risk assesments and SOPs, you know for a fact that it offers a higher level of protection for the firies at structure jobs (which is its sole purpose in CFS). All the group is doing is putting firies at more risk than necessary.

also i am interested... why would a mt lofty firie be wearing his PBI to a strike team? perhaps you need to actually work out what CFS is using this PPE for.

not to worry though hicksflat - im actually in the process of a formal letter to region re the PBI , so it will all probly go a bit faster from here on. we can only hope  :wink: or perhaps the use of the local messenger would be good? sturt group seem to have used that to effectively stir up scheiße in the past?

another point, the last appliance that sturt group custom built seems to have been a fizzer in my eyes and plagued with issues however minor they may have been, the last time i saw the CAFS appliance at a grassfire it took the crew an extraordinary amount of time to begin attacking the fire and there progress was very slow, because they couldnt get there proportions right. but yes it is a great mop up appliance, perhaps it can be kept for that purpose. i do however believe the old Belair pumper and Eden pumper (shame to hear that thing is rusting away) and Coro 24P are probly amongst the finest builds in the CFS fleet....

anyway i dont want to turn this into a sturt group 'bagging' excercise.


ath - that comment was great mate.. made me laugh.

yeh id recommend having a look at airsource, it is good software if you know how to use it and have all the right paging IDs for it...


it doenst matter where you are paging from in link, from my understanding regardless of where it is paged from CFS get the bill for a msg hitting a CFS pager.

mmm... cool


id still rather not be in contact with it anyway.... but who knows

i havent been in a "real" burnover, just the little pussy  ones people refer to as burnovers

mmm i heard a rumor similar to that... btu not havign there own trucks, just using them as changeover crews.....


personally i dont like the idea though..... based purely on the theory that the only experience they would get would be "at the big one"