Couple of things i would like to see improved on the GRN in the next generation.
That there are more GRN's ordered per brigade. One portable per truck is not sufficient.
When you change talk group it tells you what talk group you are on.
When there is a busy tone it say's "Network Busy" instead of beeps
When there the battery is going flat it tells you "Battery flat"
These whole tone things are crap for the every day farmer... for people like me i live for tones and flashing lights to tell me errors but not every one has letter after your name like me, to understand them
SAPOL have some pretty kewl functions.
im sure other people have got some suggestions we could use... as i see mr bau is registered maybe he could take these ideas on board!
Maybe if you put your ideas on paper, and forward them through the correct chain..
I would start with the brigade / group comms officer..
:-)
please dont make me LOL... you asking me to put something on paper and forward up the food chain... OMG LOL sitreps dont even get up the food chain correctly and they are a leagal requirement... its like Chinese whispers... HA HA>..... no offense... i like going straight to the top and i know it does piss people off and step on peoples toes and i dont mean it and i have the best intentions in the world but i like my message to be clear and actually reach the top and be heard... thats why im jumping up and down about this innovations committee... maybe im going about it the wrong way.. but i have tried the other way and things keep getting squashed at local level because people dont like change...
Quote from: Tone7 on November 01, 2006, 08:23:59 PM
That there are more GRN's ordered per brigade. One portable per truck is not sufficient.
When you change talk group it tells you what talk group you are on.
We have 5 portables for 2 vehicles, I'd check your SOFC to see how many you should have been issued, and check if some are lost or 'in hiding'
Talk Group - why not just look at the screen?
Quote from: Tone7 on November 01, 2006, 08:43:36 PM
please dont make me LOL... you asking me to put something on paper and forward up the food chain... OMG LOL sitreps dont even get up the food chain correctly and they are a leagal requirement... its like Chinese whispers... HA HA>..... no offense... i like going straight to the top and i know it does filtered people off and step on peoples toes and i dont mean it and i have the best intentions in the world but i like my message to be clear and actually reach the top and be heard... thats why im jumping up and down about this innovations committee... maybe im going about it the wrong way.. but i have tried the other way and things keep getting squashed at local level because people dont like change...
Just be careful.. - Breaching the chain of command can constitue a Red 22. - Suspension / Termination of the service can be one of the more severe results.
I know everyone likes their idea's to be heard, however right/wrong they may be... But there are ways of doing it..
:)
- Goodluck anyway.
I believe SAPOL have programmed in there toggale switch the ABC switch... programmed main talkgroups they used and when they flick it says the talkgroup... good idea i think.. means u dont have to take the radio off your belt or jacket and look at the screen...
Im just putting ideas out there on what i would like to see i suggest others do the same... who knows who is watching this forum.. :-)
SAPol spent very large sums of money upgrading to the next radios...they are heavier than the old ones (bad for police officers who lug them around, attached to the belt :-( )
Talking channels...it's cute for the first day. Then it becomes really really annoying.
The biggest problem with the radios is their cost...I heard a figure quoted of each handset is in the vicinity of $3500...(it may not be correct - perhaps someone else can clarify it..?)
If CSF were to purchase these new handsets, then the Government will have to provide some additional funding...or a number of brigades just go without other things...like appliances!! :evil:
Pip
So they are short and ugly pip :-P
yeaharound the 3k mark is correct... didnt know they where heavier ...
lol and how many hand holds does your brigade have pip.. we have two for Lincoln...... and 19 lost/missing in action in the system from the group... how poor is that... i was officially told the R6 was the last to receive GRN and they didn't order enough and by the time R6 even got the radio warranty was already out of date and they stopped making them... LOL how bad is that... i think R6 should be first this time... hell we might even get 5 or 6 per truck like some people in R1 and R2 got...
Quote from: MrT on November 01, 2006, 08:46:14 PM
Quote from: Tone7 on November 01, 2006, 08:23:59 PM
That there are more GRN's ordered per brigade. One portable per truck is not sufficient.
When you change talk group it tells you what talk group you are on.
We have 5 portables for 2 vehicles, I'd check your SOFC to see how many you should have been issued, and check if some are lost or 'in hiding'
Talk Group - why not just look at the screen?
hmmm... in a heavily urban group we have one per appliance plus one per captain... not enough really. there should be at least two available ON the appliances plus the captains.
AS I understand it, it was meant to be one GRN handheld per appliance, plus one for the Captain....
Not sure about the 5 or 6 per truck like Region 1...certainly haven't seen that....
And it would appear that there were a few issues with a number of brigade actually getting the numbers they are meant to have...... but I'm alright Jack!! :evil:
Pip
Pip has her own specail radio :wink: it talks to her so she does feel all alone... :evil:
Quote from: MrT on November 01, 2006, 08:46:14 PM
Quote from: Tone7 on November 01, 2006, 08:23:59 PM
That there are more GRN's ordered per brigade. One portable per truck is not sufficient.
When you change talk group it tells you what talk group you are on.
We have 5 portables for 2 vehicles, I'd check your SOFC to see how many you should have been issued, and check if some are lost or 'in hiding'
Talk Group - why not just look at the screen?
It does not matter what the SOFC say. They will tell you that there are no more in the state and they are not making them any more. We should have 2 but only received 1 have been trying to get the other one but no luck.
Quote from: Tone7 on November 01, 2006, 09:10:02 PM
Pip has her own specail radio :wink: it talks to her so she does feel all alone... :evil:
I get a special radio, cos I'm special :-D
And without it, people have trouble finding me..(cos the MDT is next to useless,) and I don't hang around in the office for too long, in case people give me work to do !!!! :evil:
Pip
Same as Medevac 1 per truck and one for capatain, some groups run 1 per truck and per briagade officer??
One per captain and one per truck is the standard however, you will find that some urban areas or multi agency eg a lot of MFS/CFS responses will have two GRN portables per truck. I am aware some brigades in the Para group and some others all have 2.
^^pity they dont keep the extras in the trucks lol
Tone 7, Youre an interesting chap. LOL LOL LOL OMG OMG LOL we have as many per appliance as we need. Our Hazmat and Rural appliances both have two GRNs. I really cant see a need for more than one on a 'normal' appliance as only the OIC is meant to have GRN? Now, more VHF's for the crews could be good.
Yeah i have now changed my name 2, its
Nasty PR guy that hates little old ladies / interesting chap... :evil: hehehe
YES totally agree more VHF, but some that actually work..... finally after fighting heaps we will soon have 4 VHF per appliance. See the problem was and still is normally the OIC takes off out the truck and takes and GRN and VHF, only coz 90% of our captains dont have their own GRN.. so that leaves us with one VHF and no portable GRN... sounds fun...
From my understanding the person at the pointy end and pump op should both have a VHF to start off with?
I keep saying, why isnt there two external speakers on the back of the truck near the pump with a microphone so when u jump out of the truck u flick the switch and you have comm's on the back near the pump. Both VHF and GRN.. Its NOT that hard to set up... Another innovation ideal brought to you some one who cares that no one is not being listened too.
i think i could say Lincoln brigade has the best hand signals in the west.... we can work magic in scrub and over hills especially where VHF doesn't work...
This VHF not working is starting to become a problem...
Does any one else find VHF a problem???
then trucks start going back to GRN again because the VHF didn't work and that it then causes the other problem... we wont go there..
Cheers
Nasty PR guy that hates little old ladies / interesting chap... :evil:
regarding VHF at the back of the appliance, yes it's a good thing, I don't know why it's not a standard fitment. I am about to start doing the paperwork to get our 24 modified to have an extension speaker/mic and volume control for the truck VHF at the rear for the pump operator to use. Enabling the truck VHF to be used like this effectively frees up a portable.
if you want more VHF portables, contact Tetracom and buy them (my group bought an extra bunch not long ago), but do it soon as Icom no longer make them except in special one-off runs. How much longer Icom will continue this I don't know.
the other mod I have recently done is on our 24 (single cab hino) is had a GRN extension speaker fitted to the rear crew seating area (no mic just a speaker). This enables the crew on the back to hear sitreps and info while responding to an incident allowing everyone, not just those in the cab, to be prepared what to expect. It's ok with dual-cabs but with the old 24's those on the back are sitting in a cloud of dust facing backwards and have no idea what is happening. I was told this mod had not been done before but now Tetracom have the wiring all worked out and it is approved by HQ, so anyone can now have this done.
regarding ideas and the chain of command, if your comms ideas are being squashed at the local level for no reason (there might be a reason that is not apparent to you of course) then take them to your regional rep on the state volunteer telecommunications committee.
If you follow the correct GRN protocols you should only need one hand held per appliance.
Only one person from the appliance needs to be talking to the GO or Base. And in the event of a large incident your truck shouldnt be using GRN at all as all communications should be done on the VHF system back to your sector commander who then talks higher up the chain on GRN.
so camo what happens when the crew cant talk to the sector commander on VHF because of the poor quality of the system i have found.
you try advising 30 trucks they shouldn't be using the GRN at a huge incident.
Quote from: Tone7 on November 02, 2006, 12:22:04 PM
so camo what happens when the crew cant talk to the sector commander on VHF because of the poor quality of the system i have found.
you try advising 30 trucks they shouldn't be using the GRN at a huge incident.
Can you use the GRN radios in Simplex mode which means they talk to each other ig the have 'line of sight' & not use GRN tower space ?
You can - but it means you are no longer on the main channel...which is a vital part of the CFS Comms plans - the GRN radio is for the command side of an incident, as well as for safety messages, such as wind changes etc.... if you change to a simplex channel, that link is lost..unless you have another GRN radio on the main channel...... :|
Pip
Enhancements I would suggest are:
* portable radios to have a screen or led lights on the microphone, so you can see what is happening without removing the portable radio base from under your PPE.
* More remote ear-pieces / microphones available to use. Similar to ones used by SES bikes, SES BA & some paid staff.
* this I do not think will happen, but it is a wish list :wink:-- place a potable GRN repeater in each vehicle (like SAAS ambulances). This will allow the 5watt portable radios with poor antenna placement to use the 35watt (I think) console radio with good antenna placement.
Quote from: Camo on November 02, 2006, 11:27:32 AM
If you follow the correct GRN protocols you should only need one hand held per appliance.
Only one person from the appliance needs to be talking to the GO or Base. And in the event of a large incident your truck shouldnt be using GRN at all as all communications should be done on the VHF system back to your sector commander who then talks higher up the chain on GRN.
We got told that going by the GRN protocols if you where a EMA brigade you get a extra portable but we are still waiting for that one.
Quote from: Darius on November 02, 2006, 08:03:22 AM
regarding VHF at the back of the appliance, yes it's a good thing, I don't know why it's not a standard fitment. I am about to start doing the paperwork to get our 24 modified to have an extension speaker/mic and volume control for the truck VHF at the rear for the pump operator to use. Enabling the truck VHF to be used like this effectively frees up a portable.
if you want more VHF portables, contact Tetracom and buy them (my group bought an extra bunch not long ago), but do it soon as Icom no longer make them except in special one-off runs. How much longer Icom will continue this I don't know.
the other mod I have recently done is on our 24 (single cab hino) is had a GRN extension speaker fitted to the rear crew seating area (no mic just a speaker). This enables the crew on the back to hear sitreps and info while responding to an incident allowing everyone, not just those in the cab, to be prepared what to expect. It's ok with dual-cabs but with the old 24's those on the back are sitting in a cloud of dust facing backwards and have no idea what is happening. I was told this mod had not been done before but now Tetracom have the wiring all worked out and it is approved by HQ, so anyone can now have this done.
regarding ideas and the chain of command, if your comms ideas are being squashed at the local level for no reason (there might be a reason that is not apparent to you of course) then take them to your regional rep on the state volunteer telecommunications committee.
Or even better Darius why not get a 2 way intercom system built rather than having extension speaker/microphone.... when my brigade used to have the old open back 34 appliance in the front we had a intercom system box which allowed communications between crew cab & back of truck as well as pump
When ever there was a fire call and everyone was on board suited up the closest to one the microphone would let the driver & radio operator know that eveyone was on board.. on arrival pending on incident size the intercom switch was changed from crew cab to pump so that way the radio operator could communicate with the pump operator
That 2 way intercom system was also my dads invention cause he installed it in a few of the trucks around the local area after Ash Wednesday 1983 and this intercom system worked well for 19 1/2 years until our truck was replaced by that refurbished one
Hey darius if you give me your postal address i'll ask my dad to copy the plans of his design to an A Drive disk and i will send it to you sometime next week ok :wink: so your brigade can see if its a design they need
Just PM me ok :-D
Quote from: Tone7 on November 02, 2006, 12:22:04 PM
so camo what happens when the crew cant talk to the sector commander on VHF because of the poor quality of the system i have found.
you try advising 30 trucks they shouldn't be using the GRN at a huge incident.
Thats not my problem....thats just what the GRN plan says. Still doesnt mean you need more then one portable.
Something about a SOP regarding BA operators and GRN radio's that each person or each team that goes in needs a radio.. im assuming you will need more than one radio for this...
Sorry know nothing about BA... or the full understanding of the SOP..
So also what happens when MFS are in a CFS area.... what fire ground channel do they use to talk to CFS... last time i checked they dont have VHF... someone really didnt plan this out too well... Yes they can come onto our talkgroup but that isnt standard SOP... they need to be in a fire ground channel
Quote from: Robert34 on November 02, 2006, 09:23:05 PM
Or even better Darius why not get a 2 way intercom system built rather than having extension speaker/microphone.... when my brigade used to have the old open back 34 appliance in the front we had a intercom system box which allowed communications between crew cab & back of truck as well as pump
We have an intercom between cab and rear crew seating area, I believe the truck came with it (many years ago), but you can't expect the OIC to spend all his time relaying messages/sitreps he hears on the GRN over the intercom to those on the back. On arrival the pump operator needs a VHF not an intercom as often no one is in the cab (unless the OIC can't get GRN portable reception and has to use the truck GRN, and anyway he doesn't have time to relay messages between VHF and intercom for the pump operator). Thanks for the offer anyway though.
Quote from: Tone7 on November 02, 2006, 10:04:33 PM
Something about a SOP regarding BA operators and GRN radio's that each person or each team that goes in needs a radio.. im assuming you will need more than one radio for this...
Sorry know nothing about BA... or the full understanding of the SOP..
So also what happens when MFS are in a CFS area.... what fire ground channel do they use to talk to CFS... last time i checked they dont have VHF... someone really didnt plan this out too well... Yes they can come onto our talkgroup but that isnt standard SOP... they need to be in a fire ground channel
A BA operator entering a building if they take a radio at all should be taking a VHF as they will only be talking to their truck or incident command.
When it comes to EMA i was always under the impression MFS go to CFS channel in CFS area and vice verca.
Camo, MFS don't carry VHF radios - they use GRN on simplex channels for fire-ground chat... (So if the CFS is using VHF for fire-ground chat SAMFS won't hear any of it, even though they are on the local CFS GRN talkgroup...)
Quote from: CFS_Firey on November 03, 2006, 12:37:56 PM
Camo, MFS don't carry VHF radios - they use GRN on simplex channels for fire-ground chat... (So if the CFS is using VHF for fire-ground chat SAMFS won't hear any of it, even though they are on the local CFS GRN talkgroup...)
Sorry must of missed that bit of the conversation. Yes i know MFS use simplex. Do CFS radios still have simplex installed? Any reason we couldnt use it? Any reason the MFS couldnt take one of our vhf portables with them? Is there any reason they need to talk to each other inside anyway? ive never had too but i guess there might be times when it is necessary.
We are on the same team here....we are allowed to share equipment.
Quote from: Camo on November 04, 2006, 08:43:05 AM
Quote from: CFS_Firey on November 03, 2006, 12:37:56 PM
Camo, MFS don't carry VHF radios - they use GRN on simplex channels for fire-ground chat... (So if the CFS is using VHF for fire-ground chat SAMFS won't hear any of it, even though they are on the local CFS GRN talkgroup...)
Sorry must of missed that bit of the conversation. Yes i know MFS use simplex. Do CFS radios still have simplex installed? Any reason we couldnt use it? Any reason the MFS couldnt take one of our vhf portables with them? Is there any reason they need to talk to each other inside anyway? ive never had too but i guess there might be times when it is necessary.
We are on the same team here....we are allowed to share equipment.
Thats right Camo i cant see any reason why MFS & CFS can exchange radios at any incident requiring both services that way it makes it alot easier then again MFS does have access to CFS Talkgroups and vice versa or alternatively the Multi Agency Talkgroups can be used for fire ground comms between CFS & MFS
What is simplex?
Quote from: Ryan on November 04, 2006, 08:57:56 PM
What is simplex?
Simplex: 2 radios communicating with each other on the same frequency,channel or talkgroup
Duplex:2 radios communicatiing via repeater with 1 radio being on say UHF channel 7 and the other being on UHF channel 37
some one said that some para group station have 2 grns per appliance??
yes salisbury was issued with 2 grns per appliance plus capt
BUT 2 out of 3 have 1 as the lt have them and the third has NONE as the lt haved them.
Quote from: Ryan on November 04, 2006, 08:57:56 PM
What is simplex?
get yourself on the GRN course. In GRN terms, simplex is 2 (or more) radios talking directly to each other with no towers or infrastructure involved (as per CB radios). In normal GRN use, the radios don't talk to each other, only to the towers (like mobile phones), this is the "trunking" aspect of it.
I did GRN with BFF1. Didnt get much out of it, too complicated for the short amount of time we spent on it.
Our Group was told there is no GRN course now just what they do in BFF1
used be using VHF on fireground,GRN back to base If I had 3 grns per appliances I would be hiding them as you are only ment to have one......still areas where there are only truck mounted GRN no hand helds..
Quote from: backburn on November 05, 2006, 10:53:41 AM
Our Group was told there is no GRN course now just what they do in BFF1
Our group ran a GRN course last week.....
there is still a GRN course, it explains how the system works, why leaving radios on unnecessarily is bad, the evils of talkgroup dragging etc. You play with the "training kit" radios and try out stuff including emergency calls. The module in BFF1 is a quick intro. I thought technically you weren't allowed to use a GRN radio until you had done the specific GRN training course.
That what I thought but our new Group Training Officer has said differant.
There was a GRN course run, that everyone was supposed to (had to?) do before they were allowed to use the radios...
BUT, there was a new course that was coming, so many Groups stopped running the old course, as there seemed that there was no point in running an old course, when there was new course about to be launched...
perhaps it has arrived?
No matter what radio you get... there will be problems with smoke....
Its just one of those facts people are going to have to deal with....
If the system is used correctly it doesnt work to badly... but its up to the people using it.
Quote from: Firey9119 on November 05, 2006, 08:46:47 AM
some one said that some para group station have 2 grns per appliance??
yes salisbury was issued with 2 grns per appliance plus capt
BUT 2 out of 3 have 1 as the lt have them and the third has NONE as the lt haved them.
All EMA brigades were issued with 2 GRN radio's per Appliance so they could communicate with MFS and CFS at the same time...
Quote from: Chirp / Vibrate on November 06, 2006, 09:07:02 AM
All EMA brigades were issued with 2 GRN radio's per Appliance so they could communicate with MFS and CFS at the same time...
Must of been very selective then cos our brigade didnt and we are EMA.
[quoteyes salisbury was issued with 2 grns per appliance plus capt
BUT 2 out of 3 have 1 as the lt have them and the third has NONE as the lt haved them.][/quote]
So you have two trucks with one portable GRN radio and one truck with no portable GRN radio, what happens if your on that truck and you need the radio but the lieutenant has it in the city somewhere or down the beach listening in to the action ???
QuoteWe are on the same team here....we are allowed to share equipment.
Haven't we already said we don't have enough radios? How is giving half of them to the MFS at an incident going to fix the problem? ;)
Quote from: Camo on November 06, 2006, 01:00:07 PM
Quote from: Chirp / Vibrate on November 06, 2006, 09:07:02 AM
All EMA brigades were issued with 2 GRN radio's per Appliance so they could communicate with MFS and CFS at the same time...
Must of been very selective then cos our brigade didnt and we are EMA.
Sorry, all EMA Brigades in Region One and Two which undertake Dual Response with MFS. Don't ask me to explain the whole EMA, MA, Dual Response thing it will take too long and probably create world war 3...
Cam add it to your wish list mate :roll:
Quote from: 5271rescue on November 06, 2006, 06:34:47 PM
Cam add it to your wish list mate :roll:
Dont have the need for it though...We go to MFS area we change to their talk group and vice verca.
Although they can give us the $3000 its worth in cash. :-D
Should definitley have 2 portables per appliance if your an EMA brigade, we do.
If the officer has one then you still need one for the BA crew or pump operator etc.
Screw listening to CFS though in MFS area, you have enough to think about, i thought CFS brought a thing out saying we must change to MFS talkgroup and not monitor CFS talkgroups.
although SOCC are not allowed to tell CFS appliances to change to MFS talkgroup,,,, any appliance responding into there area should do so, and tell SOCC that they are. upon returning to CFS area, the radio should go back to either regional talkgroup to advise SOCC of the appliances return or the loval TG if a station is open, to advise them.
there is no need to listen to CFS tg while at an incident in MFS area, unless the brigades have there own private arrangements.
I just thought of something what happens if you need to talk to SES units at an incident now that would be hard as they have completely different radios to CFS & MFS
Robert, it's called a multi agency talk group.......
Clumsy process of getting it set up, but once it has been set up, all services are able to chat to each other on the same talk group.....
Pip
use the CB robbo :lol:
Quote from: medevac on November 08, 2006, 07:45:50 AM
although SOCC are not allowed to tell CFS appliances to change to MFS talkgroup,,,, any appliance responding into there area should do so, and tell SOCC that they are.
WTF?? Why on earth would SOCC
NOT be allowed to tell CFS apps to go to MFS T/G? It's SOP to change, so where's the problem? Might be difficult for borderline calls to know whose area it is until arrival, but for the others....
Quote from: pipster on November 08, 2006, 08:44:26 AM
Robert, it's called a multi agency talk group.......
Clumsy process of getting it set up, but once it has been set up, all services are able to chat to each other on the same talk group.....
Pip
Problem with Multi Agency Talkgroups is that by the time they get setup you are already at the scene and its easier to walk over to them and talk to them. I can see them being used at a search or something but not an MVA. Not often anyway.
Hence read "Clumsy to set up"
It would be much easier if a defined geographical area had a "default" multi agency talk group - one that is defined, and distributed to all relevant agencies....so if you respond with another agency to a particular area, all services know to change to a specific talkgroup....that would certainly be a benefit.....
Pip
Quote from: pipster on November 08, 2006, 03:05:54 PM
Hence read "Clumsy to set up"
It would be much easier if a defined geographical area had a "default" multi agency talk group - one that is defined, and distributed to all relevant agencies....so if you respond with another agency to a particular area, all services know to change to a specific talkgroup....that would certainly be a benefit.....
Pip
I understand (hearsay) that organisation within the riverland area automatically go to a multi-agency talkgroup and if required one of the headquarters will officially arrange the talkgroup while vehicles are mobile.
the easiest way to fix the issue of CFS/MFS not being able to communicate with SES would be to supply all SES units with a CFS/MFS GRN portable.
Although setting up a multi agency TG is easy, this would be quick and fool proof for the resources...
Sturt SES have one and use it to communicate with CFS when dual responding, to give mobile times, arrival etc...
All the SES vehicles have CFS GRN's mounted out our way..... Has proven to be most useful (depending on who has the microphone). Nothing better than being able to talk to all the people coming to help.
South Coast don't have one and if they do they never use it??
Quote from: MundCFS on November 09, 2006, 08:31:11 AM
South Coast don't have one and if they do they never use it??
I believe South Coast SES, like majority of SES Units, have only the multi-agency and SES talkgroups programmed into the GRN radios. Most SES Units have multiple handheld radios & spare batteries at the LHQ. They are allocated to people in the vehicles as the vehicle leaves.
SES have 16 multi-agency talkgroups available, one for Adel airport, one for parafield airport, one for sea rescue and ten for state disaster.
Seems a pity that procedures is stopping the use of multi-agency talkgroups for incidents which is alot easier than swapping physical radios.
The physical radios are all the same, just programmed differently.
Quote from: bajdas on November 09, 2006, 11:14:23 AM
The physical radios are all the same, just programmed differently.
The protables are anyway.....
Quote from: pipster on November 05, 2006, 05:55:01 PM
There was a GRN course run, that everyone was supposed to (had to?) do before they were allowed to use the radios...
BUT, there was a new course that was coming, so many Groups stopped running the old course, as there seemed that there was no point in running an old course, when there was new course about to be launched...
perhaps it has arrived?
The old course was created by Telstra when they had the contract for running the SAGRN network. Part of the contract was that all operators had undergone the Telstra course before picking up the microphone. Like that was adhered to.....
When the original contract expired, the copyright on the training materials & what each agency could teach was removed.
So SES have revamped the course into a two day course as an interim before a new compentency based course is created. SAPOL have deemed that all agenicies teach some aspects (eg busy tones, etc) to all members.
Most probably the CFS has done the same thing.
Quote from: Mike on November 09, 2006, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: bajdas on November 09, 2006, 11:14:23 AM
The physical radios are all the same, just programmed differently.
The protables are anyway.....
What radio models are in use at CFS for GRN ?
SES have MCS2000 in vehicles/LHQ and MTS2000 as handhelds. Public transport are using the same. I thought they were all the same ?
PS. Interesting that a few months ago the auction yards had large quantities of the above model radios for sale. Private companies that use trunking radio systems must be upgrading.
CFS use the MCS2000 MKII has a knob to scroll through all the channels.
SES " " " " " " MKIII which has the keypad on the face.
(I think the MKII, MKIII bit is right... might be MKI, MKII... Brains not working well today.)
Edit: Corrected spelling
Quote from: bajdas on November 09, 2006, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: pipster on November 05, 2006, 05:55:01 PM
There was a GRN course run, that everyone was supposed to (had to?) do before they were allowed to use the radios...
BUT, there was a new course that was coming, so many Groups stopped running the old course, as there seemed that there was no point in running an old course, when there was new course about to be launched...
perhaps it has arrived?
The old course was created by Telstra when they had the contract for running the SAGRN network. Part of the contract was that all operators had undergone the Telstra course before picking up the microphone. Like that was adhered to.....
When the original contract expired, the copyright on the training materials & what each agency could teach was removed.
So SES have revamped the course into a two day course as an interim before a new compentency based course is created. SAPOL have deemed that all agenicies teach some aspects (eg busy tones, etc) to all members.
Jeepers...a two day course :-o The old GRN course was only a 3 hour course !!!!
What is involved in the two days?
Pip
Quote from: Mike on November 09, 2006, 11:50:17 AM
CFS use the MCS2000 MKII has a know to scroll through all the channels.
SES " " " " " " MKIII which has the keypad on the face.
(I think the MKII, MKIII bit is right... might be MKI, MKII... Brains not working well today.)
Ours have a keypad... (CFS) :?
Quote from: 2090 on November 09, 2006, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: Mike on November 09, 2006, 11:50:17 AM
CFS use the MCS2000 MKII has a know to scroll through all the channels.
SES " " " " " " MKIII which has the keypad on the face.
(I think the MKII, MKIII bit is right... might be MKI, MKII... Brains not working well today.)
Ours have a keypad... (CFS) :?
No, SES have a keypad... CFS has no keypad... :)
Yes... The ones in my (CFS) brigade have a keypad on the face...
Then they're not the 'Standard' CFS radio my friend....
I think you're talking at cross purposes. Here's pics of the "standard" CFS issue GRN radios:
http://users.chariot.net.au/~mattb/scan/cfs.htm (http://users.chariot.net.au/~mattb/scan/cfs.htm)
and what's the problem with requesting a MA TG?
mmm, mTS / mCs. I need more sleep. Sorry all.
Quote from: pipster on November 09, 2006, 12:06:11 PM
Jeepers...a two day course :-o The old GRN course was only a 3 hour course !!!!
What is involved in the two days?
Pip
History, communication alternatives to radio (good and bad), detail MCS2000, practice, detail MTS2000, GRN pagers, simple fault finding (incl busy signal, out of range, aerial, batteries, etc), emergency button, talkgroups, practice, message form, communications log, radio private call, radio private page, radio ID, practice, phonetic alphabet, radio procedure (incl prowords), practice and then a pratical competency test.
Quote from: bajdas on November 09, 2006, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: pipster on November 09, 2006, 12:06:11 PM
Jeepers...a two day course :-o The old GRN course was only a 3 hour course !!!!
What is involved in the two days?
Pip
History, communication alternatives to radio (good and bad), detail MCS2000, practice, detail MTS2000, GRN pagers, simple fault finding (incl busy signal, out of range, aerial, batteries, etc), emergency button, talkgroups, practice, message form, communications log, radio private call, radio private page, radio ID, practice, phonetic alphabet, radio procedure (incl prowords), practice and then a pratical competency test.
Hey Baj, you forgot to mention you squeeze in a little practice on the course. :wink: