There has been numerous times in our group where the MFS have had a call out in our area and they dont call us out straight away some times 20 mins after their enitial call does any other brigade have this problem?
they get called out to a scrub fire in our area knock the flames down and then call us out to mop up and they leave the scene its as if they are just using us
hmmm i think i know where you are talking about LOL....
in some cases i thinks its just that the job may originally come in as MFS area, and so its not until the first arrival that they realise CFS may need to attend...
medevac I have the same problem in our group the fire does start in CFS area but MFS do get the call out and not call us in untill 30 mins after first call they get. Plus they dont always call us out either so mate.
A fire appliance attends the fire, extinguishes the fire. Where is the problem?
and I'm sure you have all put in a grievance form as per the SOP's identifying that MFS still aren't calling the appropriate services at the appropriate times!
Lucky we are not SES, apparently MFS have stuffed up over half of their turnouts!
Quote from: Toast on September 21, 2006, 12:11:08 PM
A fire appliance attends the fire, extinguishes the fire. Where is the problem?
If it happened the other way round there would be hell to pay
Wasnt it only a few weeks ago that a certain union president said that we should stick to doing what we do best, rural fires.
now the MFS are taking over that role. Just let them go, they will come unstuck one day and it will probaly be the coroner that kicks their donkey!
Dont worry too much about what the president says he doesnt speak for all.
I realise that.
But in all seriousness it will happen one day where the mfs will respond to a rural fire it will be get out of control and someone will die.
Which probaly could of been avoided if the CFS were called to begin with.
Also does the MFS do any burnover training? If not what would they do if they were caught?
strip naked and run through the flames.
jeez what do you think theyd do, theyd get back in their truck and cover themsleves with something.
camo--new robert
Quote from: E on September 21, 2006, 07:12:01 PM
camo--new robert
Thats a bit harsh! Especially coming from you!
I think my comments are justified! Someone who is not trained in that area isnt necessarly going to know what to do.
its all in good humor, :-P
Quote from: Camo on September 21, 2006, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: E on September 21, 2006, 07:12:01 PM
camo--new robert
Thats a bit harsh! Especially coming from you!
I think my comments are justified! Someone who is not trained in that area isnt necessarly going to know what to do.
thats a bit harsh considering you are making a side insult to Robert in that comment also.
Any firefighter will know that when there is a burnover you get in the truck and cover yourself until the fire has passed. You need some re-education on basic human thoughts, impulse and common sense. Dont be a tool.
I agree with Camo - they might not know what to do, or have the right equipment on board... Do SAMFS trucks have fire/woollen blankets to hide under?
BA in the cab would be usefull though!
I agree with PF, MFS people do have a brain, the test you have to get in require one. :-D
Quote from: Camo on September 21, 2006, 07:03:16 PM
Also does the MFS do any burnover training? If not what would they do if they were caught?
Easy get the crew to put their BA sets on and drive down the street staying on the bitumen :lol:
This has been going on for years and dont think it will stop soon.
There was a house fire a few years ago K99 on arrival C class risk( which we are supposed to be called to) and we never got turned out at all.
Another incident 1 million dollar school fire we were not turned out to assist but get called to wait for it...SMOKE IN AREA......as a result of the school fire...around the corner :x
GO FIGURE
ISSUES forms definetely went in :-D
Quote from: Camo on September 21, 2006, 07:03:16 PM
I realise that.
But in all seriousness it will happen one day where the mfs will respond to a rural fire it will be get out of control and someone will die.
Which probaly could of been avoided if the CFS were called to begin with.
Also does the MFS do any burnover training? If not what would they do if they were caught?
i agree 100% with you camo
Yep - been happening for years! I remember sitting in the station one night listening to a going school fire but the SAMFS SO would not upgrade because it meant CFS would get a run. This was confirmed by CFS friendly SAMFS firies who worked their little buts off without any 2nd alarm support.
Another job we got direct on the fire phone, going workshop fire - in SAMFS area but on the boundary. We turned out and responded SAMFS, literally 30 seconds from arrival we where forcefully instructed over the radio to not respond as it is SAMFS area.
Suffice to say we attended anyway!
Quote from: Firefrog on September 22, 2006, 12:12:22 PM
Yep - been happening for years! I remember sitting in the station one night listening to a going school fire but the SAMFS SO would not upgrade because it meant CFS would get a run. This was confirmed by CFS friendly SAMFS firies who worked their little buts off without any 2nd alarm support.
Another job we got direct on the fire phone, going workshop fire - in SAMFS area but on the boundary. We turned out and responded SAMFS, literally 30 seconds from arrival we where forcefully instructed over the radio to not respond as it is SAMFS area.
Suffice to say we attended anyway!
sounds like something the mfs would do and yet it is ok for them to respond in our area :?
I should add, these two jobs were about ten years ago - so I'm not commenting on anything current.
Might come as a shock to some of you but the SAMFS do actually conduct wildfire training and what to do. Aside from that most MFS appliances are not designed to be taken off road and are less likely to be involved in a burnover situation. Except for the 4x4 ones of course.
Quote from: ath on September 22, 2006, 02:35:30 PM
Might come as a shock to some of you but the SAMFS do actually conduct wildfire training and what to do. Aside from that most MFS appliances are not designed to be taken off road and are less likely to be involved in a burnover situation. Except for the 4x4 ones of course.
Might come as a shock to many MFS people to know that CFS are the lead agency in the training of Compartment fire fighting and have many crews trained in CABA as well - plus Hazmat, CBR, RCR, USAR etc, etc, etc .......... not just rural fires.
Cuts both ways. We are all adults and in the big world, the community deserves a response by trained, equipped and competent people and of the course the most appropriate response, regardless of the service, colour of their uniform, make of truck or PAY RATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oz_fire, where are we the lead agency for CFB? In SA?
Quote from: CFS_firey on September 22, 2006, 03:02:15 PM
oz_fire, where are we the lead agency for CFB? In SA?
I'm tipping beyond SA - When I did Compartment, i was trained by NSWRFS (With CFS TA's) - they had just done the Compartment TA course, so they can head back to NSW and implement CFS systems
Quote from: CFS_firey on September 22, 2006, 03:02:15 PM
oz_fire, where are we the lead agency for CFB? In SA?
lead in training in SA and last I was at Brukunga was told we have staff leading the training in NT, WA and Vic, plus still working closely with Qld and NSW
Quote from: CFS_firey on September 22, 2006, 03:02:15 PM
oz_fire, where are we the lead agency for CFB? In SA?
correct me if im wrong, but all of australia i believe...
we have national and international visitors come to play fairly often
Wasnt it Queensland that taught us?
Ath what sort of wildfire training does the MFS do?
Maybe i am being a bit stupid thinking MFS wouldnt be able to protect themselves in a burnover any fire fighter should have a basic understanding of how to protect themselves.
But like Ath said the MFS cant & shouldnt leave the roads and although it happens they should be very careful about doing it because i know none of us want to have to fish them out of a burnt truck! In the end we both provide the same service & as long as the community is protected who cares.
Each service should give each other the respect they deserve (which generally happens & its only a few bad apples that spoil it) & work together rather then stirring the scheiße like we seem to!
MFS do the CFS suppress wildfire module from BFF1.
It can happen on the bitumen too just look at all the burnt out Scanias from the Canberra fires.
Yes those appliances in teh ACT did burn well most of the appliances fires where due to hydraulic brake lines failing or over heating. I have a nice Video of teh ACT fire's and one that could be used for AIIMS or strike team leader training....
Quote from: rescue5271 on September 23, 2006, 05:34:19 AM
Yes those appliances in teh ACT did burn well most of the appliances fires where due to hydraulic brake lines failing or over heating. I have a nice Video of teh ACT fire's and one that could be used for AIIMS or strike team leader training....
Not at the moment you dont :wink:
I take it that most of the delays you speak of are in Country MFS Command areas. Boundary areas in Adelaide are now better catered for using dual response software programming. Country area are a bit harder to cater for, for a couple of reasons... Firstly a lot of country roads have not made it into the MFS database yet...an issue to be followed up. (So, for example, if a call is received for a call just out of Renmark the operator might enter "Renmark MFS, Renmark" into the system as no other detail is available). Secondly, most CFS Brigades that adjoin MFS Country Stations don't have a callsign in the MFS database (except say Mt Gambier Group, Kadina & Kapunda...maybe one or two others). If they all get together they can arrange dual response for boundary roads, certain areas on either side of the boundary, and be responded simultaneously.. It's really not hard, but it will be a big job and will take time to coordinate. Currently, once the call has been dispatched by MFS Comcen, the onus is on the local MFS station to ensure the notification of the CFS should the call be found to be in CFS or dual response area.
Hope this explains a few of the shortcomings.
Bring on SACAD.
I think the point is why is Pt Lincoln MFS responding to a tree/grass fire 30km north of the port and then taking 10 minutes to call CFS. Thats an issue worth looking at as it's covered by 2 or more CFS brigades???
Quote from: rescue5271 on September 23, 2006, 05:34:19 AM
Yes those appliances in the ACT did burn well most of the appliances fires where due to hydraulic brake lines failing or over heating. I have a nice Video of the ACT fire's and one that could be used for AIIMS or strike team leader training....
To clarify Blinky.. the ACT Scanias which caught alight was due to a design fault with the air intake on the Scania's which Christie Downs 431 also suffered the same fate at a call at Lonsdale, but not to the extent of a major fire in the appliance.Embers were being sucked into the intake due to not having a microscreen filter to block it,casuing a fire.
This has now been rectified across Australia.
They were lucky it only got towed away not put in the graveyard :wink:
There is a photo of that somewhere
the video that I have ,well cam has it at the moment is very good,and from what is said and done the appliances lost power due to brakes locking on and then caught fire for what ever reason.. back on topic, SACAD is only as good as the information that is put into it and the information the call taker takes from the caller.. You may and I mean may still have some delays as is the case in some country areas of Victoria till the whole state comes on line... But in the long run SACAD will bring SA into a better way of responding appliances across the sate and across the services...
Quote from: mundcfs on September 23, 2006, 03:42:06 PM
I think the point is why is Pt Lincoln MFS responding to a tree/grass fire 30km north of the port and then taking 10 minutes to call CFS. Thats an issue worth looking at as it's covered by 2 or more CFS brigades???
Well, that one just seems crazy...a distinct lack of common sense on that one I think. :oops: I would have thought that CFS should have been called by MFS Comms in the first instance.
You can only repond resources by the information you receive from the caller. If the caller says it is near the blah blah motel in Mt Gambier and comms know which road thats its on but not exactly how far out then they have to go by what they know. It is then up to the locals to repond other resources if necesarry. The tree fire at Lincoln didnt actually say on the initial page how far out it was. Hopefully the new cad system will iron out some of these issues. Although I am not 100% sure how the cad actually works.
I was at a fire the other night we had MFS come out and help us as we needed the water supply, any way some people off of our crew were working on the MFS unit and some of the MFS crew were working off of our unit and now working with them the way we did has changed my mind about the MFS alot. Basically the only difference is they get paid and we don't, theres probably a few more differences but there petty little things. :-D :-) But they don't call us out when they should but we will work every thing out one day it wont happen over night but it will happen
Mind you, CFS doesnt call on MFS nearly as much as we should either.
Toast it really depends on what group you are from our group is calling them in most of the time always have and always will. Any way MFS ain't allowed off of the bitumen unless they use their 14.
Where do you hail from fire fighter kiki
It gets back to team work.... or in this case service team work
Teamwork without politics helps :-D
Quote from: ath on September 24, 2006, 04:00:38 PM
The tree fire at Lincoln didnt actually say on the initial page how far out it was.
yes it did...
I thought so but didn't say anything because i couldn't remember if it did or not :-D
i recall lookign at it and thinking "what the hey?"
There were probably three CFS brigades who were closer to the tree fire, than Lincoln MFS.... :cry:
On a slightly different topics, firefighter kiki mentions that working with the MFS wasn't so bad, the two services worked together well etc etc...that is good to hear...it is a pity that so many on this forum publicly bag both the MFS and SES, without having ever worked with them.
While in every service, (CFS included) you will always find a few people who are a pain to work with (or impossible to work with) however the bulk of people are good to work with.
MFS & SES members, and perhaps even members of the public / interstate services reading through this forum must wonder about the relationship between CFS and other service - I am sure the perception amongst many, from reading this forum, is that CFS as a whole hates MFS and SES, and that MFS & SES are just a bunch of arrogant idiots, according to CFS.
This of course is far from the truth - but when anyone challenges the negative comments about other services, the standard answer from those posting the comments is "we were only joking"
CFS has tried hard in recent times to show ourselves as a professional service, with members who behave in a professional manner. Publicly bagging other services is definately not professional.
Obviously there are genuine issues that arise between the services - delays in responding relevant services is one of those, - which can be discussed, without the discussion ending up as a bag MFS session.
Perhaps a little professionalism from some posters could be quite helpful, rather than the dribble that has been coming out lately.
Pip
Getting off soap box now
you're quite correct of course (I cringe when I think of the general public reading this site and what they must think about the CFS). Every so often someone posts something like you just have, but while the moderators put their effort into filtering out words like h-e-l-l instead of actually moderating the forums (you know, deleting off topic rubbish in the non-off topic forums, deleting inflamatory or offensive posts) it will always end up like a school playground.
Quote from: pipster on September 28, 2006, 09:29:03 AM
There were probably three CFS brigades who were closer to the tree fire, than Lincoln MFS.... :cry:
On a slightly different topics, firefighter kiki mentions that working with the MFS wasn't so bad, the two services worked together well etc etc...that is good to hear...it is a pity that so many on this forum publicly bag both the MFS and SES, without having ever worked with them.
While in every service, (CFS included) you will always find a few people who are a pain to work with (or impossible to work with) however the bulk of people are good to work with.
MFS & SES members, and perhaps even members of the public / interstate services reading through this forum must wonder about the relationship between CFS and other service - I am sure the perception amongst many, from reading this forum, is that CFS as a whole hates MFS and SES, and that MFS & SES are just a bunch of arrogant idiots, according to CFS.
This of course is far from the truth - but when anyone challenges the negative comments about other services, the standard answer from those posting the comments is "we were only joking"
CFS has tried hard in recent times to show ourselves as a professional service, with members who behave in a professional manner. Publicly bagging other services is definately not professional.
Obviously there are genuine issues that arise between the services - delays in responding relevant services is one of those, - which can be discussed, without the discussion ending up as a bag MFS session.
Perhaps a little professionalism from some posters could be quite helpful, rather than the dribble that has been coming out lately.
Pip
Getting off soap box now
:-)POST OF THE MONTH :-)
Quote from: ath on September 24, 2006, 07:11:12 PM
Where do you hail from fire fighter kiki
I aint tellin no one nuffin like that its for me to know and every one else to never know put it that way!! sorry :-D
Quote from: fire fighter kiki on October 04, 2006, 02:17:49 PM
Quote from: ath on September 24, 2006, 07:11:12 PM
Where do you hail from fire fighter kiki
I aint tellin no one nuffin like that its for me to know and every one else to never know put it that way!! sorry :-D
KIKI on the Dukes Highway I reckon :wink:
or from KI ( with a stutter)
LMAO :lol: :-D
Long way for MFS to be responding to those two places :wink: :lol:
10:16:05 06-10-06 PRIMARY ALARM, I1: FIP, RENMARK HOTEL, MURRAY AVE, RENMARK
10:29:09 06-10-06 MFS: RESPOND Private Alarm 06/10/06 10:28,RENMARK TOWN,RENMARK, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BACK UP RENMARK TO FIRE ALARM AT THE RENMARK HOTEL,609*CFSRES:
Intersting anomaly - with a CFS brigade 3 km away, who would you respond and in what time frame?????
PS - Renmark to Berri approx 20km
Funny thing is if there was no river in the way it would only be only possable less than 1km. If you had the power or pressure Paringa CFS could have stayed on there side of the river and squirted the water straight across.
Quote from: oz fire on October 06, 2006, 10:33:52 AM
10:16:05 06-10-06 PRIMARY ALARM, I1: FIP, RENMARK HOTEL, MURRAY AVE, RENMARK
10:29:09 06-10-06 MFS: RESPOND Private Alarm 06/10/06 10:28,RENMARK TOWN,RENMARK, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BACK UP RENMARK TO FIRE ALARM AT THE RENMARK HOTEL,609*CFSRES:
Intersting anomaly - with a CFS brigade 3 km away, who would you respond and in what time frame?????
PS - Renmark to Berri approx 20km
Says a lot about their database doesnt it...if they are not available nearest fire service(Paring a CFS should have been responded for sure)
Notice the gap in default....obviously not 4 Minutes for MFS :evil:
1918616 10:16:05 06-10-06 PRIMARY ALARM, I1: FIP, RENMARK HOTEL, MURRAY AVE, RENMARK
1918616 10:22:31 06-10-06 STN 61 EMERGENCY PAGE
1918534 10:35:48 06-10-06 STN 60 EMERGENCY PAGE
Would have hit the fan if it ended up being a going structure eh :-o
mmmm its the 'tribalism' as some have mentioned in other posts...
i mean; how many times do we see groups sending only there own resources, when neighouring groups/brigades would be much quicker....
Yeah it's funny isn't it, the first willunga fire this year and they were pulling brigades from everywhere but Mt Compass just 7km up the road wasn't called until our group strike team was 2hrs after it started that scheiße's me to tears.
The reason Paringa wouldn't have been responded in the first instance to that particular call is that they don't have a pumper. The second arrival appliance at such a facilty usually goes straight to the booster which ideally you need atleast 500gpm if not 750gpm pump.
So they therefore responded the nearest pumper along with 4 g'teed BA crew.
Just on the Port Lincoln MFS responding to the tree fire. The Port Lincoln MFS were paged to the said tree fire however the call was passed onto CFS by the first arriving firefighter to the MFS station in under 5 minutes and the MFS did not respond appliances.
Sometime incidents given as Lincoln highway come through to Port Lincoln MFS. The Port Lincoln MFS were even paged to a car fire on the Lincoln highway which turned out to be 5km out of Port Augusta.
My point : scheiße Happens.
99.99% of the time there is no malice intended they are simple mistakes.
What booster???
Have had a few calls recently where the MFS havent called us until one of their appliances have done the deed even though it was well into our area.
Paringa has a 34 appliance and is listed as an EMA brigade on the promo site :-P
If it was a fire obviously first priority would be rescue, so a closer CFS appliance with 2 BA ops (as backup) would be more important than another pumper perhaps.
Quote from: pipster on September 28, 2006, 09:29:03 AM
There were probably three CFS brigades who were closer to the tree fire, than Lincoln MFS.... :cry:
On a slightly different topics, firefighter kiki mentions that working with the MFS wasn't so bad, the two services worked together well etc etc...that is good to hear...it is a pity that so many on this forum publicly bag both the MFS and SES, without having ever worked with them.
While in every service, (CFS included) you will always find a few people who are a pain to work with (or impossible to work with) however the bulk of people are good to work with.
MFS & SES members, and perhaps even members of the public / interstate services reading through this forum must wonder about the relationship between CFS and other service - I am sure the perception amongst many, from reading this forum, is that CFS as a whole hates MFS and SES, and that MFS & SES are just a bunch of arrogant idiots, according to CFS.
This of course is far from the truth - but when anyone challenges the negative comments about other services, the standard answer from those posting the comments is "we were only joking"
CFS has tried hard in recent times to show ourselves as a professional service, with members who behave in a professional manner. Publicly bagging other services is definately not professional.
Obviously there are genuine issues that arise between the services - delays in responding relevant services is one of those, - which can be discussed, without the discussion ending up as a bag MFS session.
Perhaps a little professionalism from some posters could be quite helpful, rather than the dribble that has been coming out lately.
Pip
Getting off soap box now
Funny you say that Pip,
the tree fire at Lincoln was 30km out of town the funny thing was there was a full crew standing in Lincoln shed just waiting for that call of course we range R6 to let them know.... But nothing... but then the information was incorrect and tumby went.
On the fire phone we normally receive calls for MFS FIRE and we take down all the detail and then dispatch MFS FIRE VIA SOC which communicate via them direct.... when they receive a call like that they dont care that its our area and just piss off to the job and ring us when they get to it... if we started doing that to them it would be world war filtered 4..
I cant wait until they put out a tender to take over SACAD for all services. it will happen soon..
I will say our working relation ship with Lincoln fire is getting alot better and there has been alot of dual responses. Just them idiots up in Sadelaide Fire that need to get off there soap box...
Real funny story ... i went to light an incinerator out the back, did the right thing contacted SAPOL, contacted local Station officer at Lincoln mfs, told the neighbours and rang mfs comm cen and they told me i needed a permit to burn in the town and told me if i light up they would send the truck around... they got told very quickly... for paid staff not to know the rules.... makes me wonder if they actually know what they are doing....
BUT at the end of the day everyone keeps 4getting we are all here to do the same job and that our Core Task is "Public Safety" We all have the same minister! Really at the end of the day i don't care what colour overalls are working next to me.
Im a dual member of two services.
:-)
Quote from: station54 on October 06, 2006, 11:53:29 PM
I cant wait until they put out a tender to take over SACAD for all services. it will happen soon..
a tender? you've not heard then that MFS Comcen is going to be doing it.
From what I understand,there is a requests before the minester that the safecom cad be run by a independent group,not cfs or mfs but something on the lines of VICFIRE. Now I can see the MFS would be upset about this as they would have to find new jobs for those members who work in firecom but they could apply for the positions and retain there government pay and entitlements if that is how it was to go. Now from what was said MFS are at the moment doing the paging for some brigade but there are still delays as we all know in them paging cfs/ses/ambos...... I say bring on an independent call center like VICFIRE but please dont give it to intergraph how they stuffed it up in vic/qld....
If it went to an independent centre, each service will still maintain its own Comms - after all, the SACAD system is about call receipt & dispatch, not what happens once the individual services get on the road.......
So, presumably, current staff will not be loosing their jobs....
most of the fellas in MFS Comms are offline FFs anywho arent they?
I take it that you mean they are on workcover???
I wouldn't say offline, many are there by choice and still attend incidents in 2090 when required.
For most it would be a case of returning to operational duties.
Quote from: safirey on October 06, 2006, 12:06:48 PM
Quote from: oz fire on October 06, 2006, 10:33:52 AM
10:16:05 06-10-06 PRIMARY ALARM, I1: FIP, RENMARK HOTEL, MURRAY AVE, RENMARK
10:29:09 06-10-06 MFS: RESPOND Private Alarm 06/10/06 10:28,RENMARK TOWN,RENMARK, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BACK UP RENMARK TO FIRE ALARM AT THE RENMARK HOTEL,609*CFSRES:
Intersting anomaly - with a CFS brigade 3 km away, who would you respond and in what time frame?????
PS - Renmark to Berri approx 20km
Says a lot about their database doesnt it...if they are not available nearest fire service(Paring a CFS should have been responded for sure)
Notice the gap in default....obviously not 4 Minutes for MFS :evil:
1918616 10:16:05 06-10-06 PRIMARY ALARM, I1: FIP, RENMARK HOTEL, MURRAY AVE, RENMARK
1918616 10:22:31 06-10-06 STN 61 EMERGENCY PAGE
1918534 10:35:48 06-10-06 STN 60 EMERGENCY PAGE
Would have hit the fan if it ended up being a going structure eh :-o
Berri is back up to Renmark in this case because Paringa do not have enough BA operators, and is SOP within SAMFS. (Berri are fairly quick to get to Renmark also, they don't stuff around).
It is SOP for Berri to back up Renmark for almost every type of call, as I have already mentioned this is SOP set by powers above. Paringa also have a fair distance to cover to the border, they don't need to be pulled out of their area unless they are really needed, although saying that they were called out Monday last to assist in a scrub fire and Berri change of quaters to Renmark. So it's not as if they don't ever get responded into Renmark, it's all about response coverage, training levels (CFS) and SOP's.
Berri is back up to Renmark in this case because Paringa do not have enough BA operators, and is SOP within SAMFS. (Berri are fairly quick to get to Renmark also, they don't stuff around).
Thats funny I know that Paringa have 8 Hazmat operators. They even have members that do BA and not Hazmat.
Berri took over 10mins to get a crew, then it would be and then another 10 to 15 mins to get there.
Well thats the info I have heard anyway.
Its MFS area, therefore its there problem if it turns to cra p
Sounds like a bit of Same service favouritism. But i have have heard other stories about the riverland & CFS vs MFS stuff.
can you post any good stories here or not?
Quote from: backburn on October 08, 2006, 12:37:56 PM
can you post any good stories here or not?
I cant remember the complete stories so rather then quote incorrect info id rather not say anything at all
I dont come from kiki nor do I come from KI sorry to burst your bubble :-D Like I said where I come from is for me to know and no one else to know hehe :mrgreen:
Are you sure your friends and fellow brigade members don't know as well? :-o
Quote from: oz fire on October 06, 2006, 10:33:52 AM
10:16:05 06-10-06 PRIMARY ALARM, I1: FIP, RENMARK HOTEL, MURRAY AVE, RENMARK
10:29:09 06-10-06 MFS: RESPOND Private Alarm 06/10/06 10:28,RENMARK TOWN,RENMARK, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BACK UP RENMARK TO FIRE ALARM AT THE RENMARK HOTEL,609*CFSRES:
Intersting anomaly - with a CFS brigade 3 km away, who would you respond and in what time frame?????
PS - Renmark to Berri approx 20km
You guys should all know better... the agreement between MFS and CFS is, and has been for a long long time, that CFS do not respond to Fire Alarms or Private Alarms in MFS area, except where Mutual Aid (as opposed to Enhanced MA) is under effect, unless local agreements state otherwise. This is not a "waa waa we didn't get called" situation. Build a bridge.
You guys should all know better... the agreement between MFS and CFS is, and has been for a long long time, that CFS do not respond to Fire Alarms or Private Alarms in MFS area, except where Mutual Aid (as opposed to Enhanced MA) is under effect, unless local agreements state otherwise. This is not a "waa waa we didn't get called" situation. Build a bridge.
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True rusty - but the grass is always green on the other side!
Imagine your union and the general comment by crews on station, if a CFS brigade adjacent to the urban fringe took that time to respond to a fixed alarm - and didn't call an MFS station 3 km away!
It's all about service to the community and this goes to show - no one is perfect, despite what they may think!
An alarm call doesn't worry me so much, esp during working hours, but reports of fire is another matter entirely. BTW the request for CFS not to go to alarms in MFS area came from our CFS management, not from the MFS.
I did hear of a 19 min delay the other day where SAAS/SAPOL where on scene and a person was well and truly trapped before CFS rescue was paged... i would like to know what would have happended if that person was to die and his family found out about the delay who would be taken to court????
Quote from: rusty on October 13, 2006, 01:58:57 PM
An alarm call doesn't worry me so much, esp during working hours, but reports of fire is another matter entirely. BTW the request for CFS not to go to alarms in MFS area came from our CFS management, not from the MFS.
Well and truely aware that the request came form CFS, and rightly so when a large % of MFS work is instilations - the issue here though, is the time delay and anyone can se that in this instance lack of action was negligent!