well its that time of the year again and you know you can always tell its brigade or group election as those members that you dont see over the past year start showing up at training.... Sad but true ,would be nice if they could show up all the other times rather than just at one time of the year......
and they have free beer and BBQ
I love the part timers
free beer and BBQ where?????
yea the other part of this time of the year are the suck ups treating you like scheiße for 18 months but now its election time they suck up every ones donkey
hah, weve never seen any special treatment... of course there is no choice for us anyway, as i dont believe there is anyone else to put there hand up,
Quote from: rescue5271 on June 24, 2006, 06:31:36 PM
free beer and BBQ where?????
This sounds good....
15:21:24 26-06-06 MENG: REMINDER: SOCIAL NIGHT TONIGHT INCLUDING QUIZ NIGHT. COORONG MULLET AND SNAGS FOR TEA. BYO DRINKS. CAPTAIN. 26/06/2006. 15:20.
A brigade I used to be in had rules regarding voting rights. If you didnt attend a minimum of training nights and monthly meetings you were deemed to not be in touch with what was happenning. Therefore you couldnt vote on issues or for people in the elections. Does any other brigades do this and is it enforced (hard to do)
Enjoy the next year with them...
All brigades vote every 2 years - its just that the don't all vote in the one year... So yeah, enjoy the next year... :P
Have you contacted your region VSO??? and asked them for help???
That shall be interesting...
Quote from: bajdas on June 26, 2006, 04:16:59 PM
Quote from: rescue5271 on June 24, 2006, 06:31:36 PM
free beer and BBQ where?????
This sounds good....
15:21:24 26-06-06 MENG: REMINDER: SOCIAL NIGHT TONIGHT INCLUDING QUIZ NIGHT. COORONG MULLET AND SNAGS FOR TEA. BYO DRINKS. CAPTAIN. 26/06/2006. 15:20.
He, he, he, he - It was good :-D
Quote from: Manuel on July 09, 2006, 02:27:16 PM
:-( :-( :-( :-( :-(NOOOOOOOOOOOO Well a year is not that long a guess, at least it is not like parliment, every four years
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At least in CFS you can vote, in SES the Unit Manager is appointed and does not change. :x
at least in SES its not a popularity contest.
SES have a system whereby the person is interviewed by paid staff and appointed based on there ability, experience, training and so forth...
IMO a better system.
If only that were totally true medevac.
The person is recommended to region by the outgoing unit manager. This is very rarely disputed... so you end up with the whole dynasty thing still.....
Sorry medevac, I agree with Mike..
it can be a boy's club situation...who's chummy with whom..and as it's been proven, those with the most training are NOT always the best person for the position..
We've just had to vote a GO out with a no confidence motion (approx 12mths ago) because he wasn't doing the right thing..and he had ALL the training possible.. :-o
the key word there though is 'recommended', and yes i understand that may be rarely disputed, but at least they are being appointed in a bias free system (hopefully)
the 'boys club situation' would be the same as your average popularity contest anyway...
Quote from: medevac on July 19, 2006, 01:28:19 PM
the key word there though is 'recommended', and yes i understand that may be rarely disputed, but at least they are being appointed in a bias free system (hopefully)
the 'boys club situation' would be the same as your average popularity contest anyway...
My problem is that the appointee is not 'performance reviewed'. I believe this is trying to be implemented by 'position desciptions' being setup by SHQ, but a difficult document to be set.
In a few situations, the person is fantastic for a few years, then gets stale and set in their ways. They have used the '...we have always done it this way...' attitude. This has happened all the way through hierarchy in the past.
Sometimes the only way to get past the issue is for the volunteer to swap Units. This has happened..
In theory with the CFS, the Captain needs to continue performing to hold the position. Otherwise they loose the position. In theory anyway, but sometimes the 'boys club' popularity pole happens.
Each system has advantages and dis-advantages.
hmmm maybe the system is just as bad then :-D
Quote from: medevac on July 19, 2006, 04:21:08 PM
hmmm maybe the system is just as bad then :-D
Nah..every system or procedure is not perfect & will have faults. Everyone just needs to accept a need for constant improvement and not to 'empire build'.
Hell, I work in the computer industry which constantly changes and people do not like it. So I cant expect it elsewhere.....well maybe I can :wink: :lol: :lol:
Some brigades do have pre-requisites before you can stand for certain positions. Salisbury, 2 years in that brigade before you can be a senior, 3 i think for Lieutenant. Training officer has to have some instructing/training qualifications. This might not work for some brigades but is a good concept.
wasnt part of the project phoenix findings have something to do with election of officers?
Think someone said they wanted to change it so the brigade nomintated the people and regional (or group?) chose the person. Mainly based on training and experiance rather then popularity.
Camo
Now Heysen group officer has had a whinge to the region and there is going to be a re-vote next Wednesday.......sore loser
Quote from: pumprescue on July 21, 2006, 10:37:56 AM
Now Heysen group officer has had a whinge to the region and there is going to be a re-vote next Wednesday.......sore loser
How can he? If it's all been played above board...I can't see how he can make that happen?
Quote from: Manuel on July 21, 2006, 12:26:17 PM
well i guess the whinge is about him getting 4 votes and 4 votes going to (new GO :?). Same happend last group election.
voting is not that simple, each candidate is supposed to be knocked out one by one leaving a "winner". That's how our group election was done as chaired by the RC.
PS. sometimes I think some of things posted here about specific people are pretty borderline.
That is right with the process, I've looked the Regs up this week...everyone votes, lowest out, then re-vote if more than 1 left.
If the votes were shared, then the chair would have to cast.. :?
Wrong,if the votes are tied then they draw a name out of a hat and that is the office holder....
Quote from: rescue5271 on July 21, 2006, 02:06:15 PM
Wrong,if the votes are tied then they draw a name out of a hat and that is the office holder....
I'm not sure if that's the right process Bill...not according to the Regs..or is that just how it works in your area :?
Why not rock paper scissors :-P
Quote from: P F on July 21, 2006, 02:50:05 PM
Why not rock paper scissors :-P
or fire hoses at 20 metres...last person standing wins :evil: :lol: :lol:
Lat time that happen at one of our meetings the then R/C pulled a name out of the hat,if you can resolve it take them behind the shed for 10 mins.....
From the SAFECOM act
18-Group Elections
(14) For the purposes of subregulations (12) and (13), if 2 candidates have an equal number of votes and 1 of them must be excluded, the person presiding at the election will determine the question by lot.
mmmmmmmmmmmmm
Quote from: pumprescue on July 22, 2006, 12:36:04 PM
From the SAFECOM act
18-Group Elections
(14) For the purposes of subregulations (12) and (13), if 2 candidates have an equal number of votes and 1 of them must be excluded, the person presiding at the election will determine the question by lot.
Have been at an AGM where the vote was tied, they decided who got the position by lot, as above. The only strange part was the person who's name was removed from the hat was excluded and the name in the hat won.
Stange way of doing it. Cant work out if every thing was above board in the mentioned election why they would have to vote again :?
that is the way it was decided on, same last election.
Thats right if your name gets pulled out you are not in....weird you out not in....
My brigade decides at the beginning of the meeting whether its the person who stays in, or the person that's pulled out that wins. That avoids the confusion... :)
Time for new set of guidelines so we all do the correct thing that way it will not come back and bite ya :evil:
I think that the RC should know the Regs before the meeting starts...the only time I've ever seen the constitution cited is at an AGM!
Last AGM was an absolute experience...the constitution was being referred to, some were moving motions that weren't constitutional etc..gets a bit testy at times..
As per the Regs...if it's down to 2..another vote is conducted and the winner is declared...none of this in the hat or out stuff :-P
Quote from: CaptCom on July 24, 2006, 10:19:57 AM
As per the Regs...if it's down to 2..another vote is conducted and the winner is declared...none of this in the hat or out stuff :-P
What if that vote comes out even as well?
If the vote is then even after that process...the chair has the casting vote...obviously as a secret ballot..
name out of the hat is just plain ridiculous, it goes to luck instead of knowledge/suitability etc.
Quote from: firetruck on July 24, 2006, 01:39:39 PM
name out of the hat is just plain ridiculous, it goes to luck instead of knowledge/suitability etc.
I agree totally firetruck..at least if there is a casting vote, it's done by someone impartial (hopefully!) :evil:
Manuel, only Capts or a proxy can vote at a Group AGM..so, the number of votes cast is already set.
new GO for heysen group, stayes after re-vote.
Quote from: CaptCom on July 25, 2006, 08:11:13 AM
Manuel, only Capts or a proxy can vote at a Group AGM..so, the number of votes cast is already set.
Article in the Courier about the situation in Heysen mentioned that a proxy/absentee vote was not allowed..... ?????
yea it wasnt, plus this election we had Sothern Hills forestry get a vote in it all, there were not happy faces, but it is in the constitution.
Maybe that's a Group specific thing Mike..I know that we allow a proxy to vote...but not absentee..if you're not there...you don't get the priviledge...
I agree with this system..if you allowed anyone to vote, there would be too much room for stacking...
I might need to change my name...I'm now a DGO.. :lol:
congrats! are you the first female to hold a group position? we've got a bit of a pioneer here people! :-D
Nope - 2nd female DGO.
Congrats by the way..) :-D
I have a friend in CFS, who started a new job, and found out that his boss had been in CFS in a rural area for a number of years. They got chatting (as you do) and my friend mentioned that his brigade had just elected a female as Captain. The boss was amazed, and commented about how progressive the brigade must be to have a female as Captain. My friend, didn't see it as progressive, but as the brigade electing the most suitable person for the job - who just happened to be female.
It is interesting to see the differences in attitude around the place.
Pipster
Thanks Pip & Firetruck...
Yes, maybe I am a bit of a pioneer..I was the first & only female Capt on EP...but I can only do it with the confidence and backing of my peers! :-)
Quote from: CaptCom on August 03, 2006, 10:28:48 AM
Yes, maybe I am a bit of a pioneer..I was the first & only female Capt on EP...but I can only do it with the confidence and backing of my peers! :-)
well done. Only "problem" perhaps is your brigade then needs a new captain! (lots of brigades don't seem to do the sucession planning thing very well - not that I'm saying yours is like that).
[well done. Only "problem" perhaps is your brigade then needs a new captain! (lots of brigades don't seem to do the sucession planning thing very well - not that I'm saying yours is like that).
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I agree Darius but I have worked on my succession plan and the brigade do have options with my moving up! :evil:
A Captain is a manager and as such instead of doing all the work themselves,by delegation he/she shares the managerial load with the lieutenants.
Question of election is simple who makes a good manager in your brigade/group,and vote accordingly. :-)
And also who cook's the best BBQ :evil: