13:47:58 15-06-06 SHQ: CFSRES: SEAFORD RESPOND CHANGE OF QTRS TO MORPHETT VALE STATION - FROM MAWSON DO. <
13:44:00 15-06-06 KANG: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND KANGARILLA STATION
13:35:19 15-06-06 MRPH: *CFSRES: DRIVER REQUIRED RESPOND MORPHETT VALE STATION
13:34:07 15-06-06 MRPH: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND M/ VALE STATION
13:32:19 15-06-06 SHQ: BRENTO PLS CONTACT SOC ASAP... >
13:31:24 15-06-06 2ND ALARM HOUSE FIRE GOING WELL CREWS REQUIRED TO MAN STATION - H/V STATION
13:28:09 15-06-06 M/VALE RESPONSE: *CFSRES: RESPOND MORPHETT VALE 24 TO 50 PINE ROAD WOODCROFT, REQUESTED FOR WATER BY GROUP DUTY OFFICER - ALL AVAILABLE CREW PLEASE RESPOND TO STATION NOW - LT 1 Matthew Bonser
13:26:24 15-06-06 SHQ: URGMSG KANGARILLA 34 RESPOND DOMESTIC, 50 PINE RD, WOODCROFT. ASSIST HAPPY VALLEY WITH 2ND ALARM HOUSE FIRE... >
13:25:50 15-06-06 M/V INFO: FOR INFO M24P IS RESPONDING TO A 2ND ALARM HOUSE FIRE AT WOODCROFT, WILL BE TIED UP FOR SOME TIME. MORPHETT 24 MAY BE NEEDED FOR WATER - ANYONE ELSE AVAILABLE PLEASE RESPOND TO THE STATION NOW OR ANY OTHER CALLS. LT 1 Matthew Bon
13:24:33 15-06-06 SHQ: GARY PLS CONTACT SOC ASAP... >
13:22:18 15-06-06 SHQ: URGMSG MAWSON TANKER RESPOND DOMESTIC, 50 PINE RD, WOODCROFT. ASSIST HAPPY VALLEY WITH 2ND ALARM HOUSE FIRE... >
13:19:11 15-06-06 SHQ: URGMSG CLARENDON RESPOND DOMESTIC, 50 PINE RD, WOODCROFT. ASSIST HAPPY VALLEY WITH 2ND ALARM HOUSE FIRE... >
13:08:37 15-06-06 HPPY: *CFSRES: EXTRA CREW REQUIRED RESPOND HAPPY VALLEY STN
13:07:39 15-06-06 MFS: RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE 15/06/06 13:06,50 PINE RD,WOODCROFT, MAP 177 N 6 ,,2ND DEFAULT,8124*CFSRES:
13:01:28 15-06-06 MFS: RESPOND DOMESTIC FIRE 15/06/06 13:00,50 PINE RD,WOODCROFT, MAP 177 N 6 ,,FIRE IN THE HOUSE,8032*CFSRES:
and now
SHQ: FYI: H.VALLEY, MORPH.VALE, CLARENDON, KANGARILLA & MFS IN ATTENDING GOING 3 STORY HOUSE FIRE, RO AUSTIN & MLO RAGLESS GOING FORWARD. SAFTEY MSG'S ISSUES DUE TO UNSOUND BUILDING.FIRE CAUSE ATTENDING- RDO DOWLING
nice one. Sounds like a mansion going up. Good to see our alarms sytem works though
Salvage work now....
15:24:05 15-06-06 MFS: RESPOND To 15/06/06 15:22,5 PINE RD,WOODCROFT, MAP 177 N 6 ,,CFS REQUIRE YOU FOR ROOF STRIPPING AND OTHER WORK AFTER HOUSE FIRE,8032*CFSRES:
15:25:33 15-06-06 MFS: RESPOND To 15/06/06 15:24,5 PINE RD,WOODCROFT, MAP 177 N 6 ,,,72820*CFSRES:
Quote from: probie_boy on June 15, 2006, 02:39:11 PM
nice one. Sounds like a mansion going up. Good to see our alarms sytem works though
alarms system?
Quote15:24:05 15-06-06 MFS: RESPOND To 15/06/06 15:22,5 PINE RD,WOODCROFT, MAP 177 N 6 ,,CFS REQUIRE YOU FOR ROOF STRIPPING AND OTHER WORK AFTER HOUSE FIRE,8032*CFSRES:
lol... good to see they sent the right ppl... happy valley CFS. quickly rectified with Noarlunga (or sturt??) being sent later...
Go figure. Mets in their infinite wisdom responded one solitary CFS station to a going domestic?? and in the metro area as well. What the...
It was only when HVCFS called Mets back to default (insufficient crews, initially) that Mets reponded other brigades....or maybe they just saw the smoke and decided to send 431. HVCFS did get going only a few minutes later to be first CFS crew on scene - just behind MFS, others weren't far behind. All in all a good turn out and a job well done by all who attended.
As for the SES page going to HVCFS, who knows what happened there?
all comes back to the database,,,
Quote from: calspec on June 15, 2006, 10:58:50 PM
Go figure. Mets in their infinite wisdom responded one solitary CFS station to a going domestic?? and in the metro area as well. What the...
That particular street has been entered in the MFS database as a single brigade response, specifically so, (normally the MFS computer would recommend 2 callsigns but in this case it only recommends 1). Therefore the response is correct according to the local brigade response plans. Don't bag people/groups when you don't have the facts...
Quote from: calspec on June 15, 2006, 10:58:50 PMIt was only when HVCFS called Mets back to default (insufficient crews, initially) that Mets reponded other brigades....
That's how the system is supposed to work.
Quote from: calspec on June 15, 2006, 10:58:50 PMor maybe they just saw the smoke and decided to send 431.
After years of CFS doing the smoke-chasing...
Slow down there slugger. No one is bagging anybody. OK so maybe the "database" is in dire need of an upgrade - we'll just leave that in the hands of Safecom then. Facts? the fact is only one brigade was responded, as stated. In my limited experience I do not understand how any domestic dwelling in the metro area could be listed as only requiring a single unit response. I'm sure the owners of affected outer metro properties would be interested to know that. Also considering that there is no water supply within about 500m of that particular house, how the heck is one appliance (or even two for that matter) going to be any use at all without water?
Like I said...the single unit response was according to local brigade response plans. If the database is to be updated the request must come from the local brigade and group.
If a job requires extra or special resources, such as a BWC, then that request comes from the IC or via a greater alarm system.
The bagging was implicit and blatant in your sarcastic remark about "mets in their infinite wisdom..."
good call rusty...
as i said, all comes back to the database.
Fair call rusty.
Rusty is correct, the database only had one brigade listed for a 'Structure - Domestic'.
This was incorrect for that zone and has now been rectified. There is no reason why that response for that zone had been changed as it was contrary to the brigade response plans and CFS COSO's.
The only possible explanation is that the recent importing of the SES data into the BOMS database caused a couple of 'glitches' to occur. Apparantly this is not the first time this type of 'out of the ordinary' response has happened (I seem to recall a couple of times Stirling have been responded to MVA's on the other side of Mt Barker).
Anyway it's fixed now and so we can all move on.
I must say that to have to wait 30 mins for a second BA crew at a going domestic may suggest a boost to daytime BA trained members in that area... :-o
personally ive noticed quite a few "glitches" in response data lately... mainly rescues...
Quote from: Toast on June 17, 2006, 02:13:46 PM
I must say that to have to wait 30 mins for a second BA crew at a going domestic may suggest a boost to daytime BA trained members in that area... :-o
Where'd you pull that figure from ?
Listening to the incident unfold. Happy valley initailly defaulted, Morphett Vale had no BA, Christies Downs 431 was the only appliance with BA operators on board to arrive. Around 25-30 mins after arrival, the interior attack crew suggested to the OIC that he have a relief BA crew come in as they were low on the good ol' O2, they were met with the response that they were still enroute to the incident. I believe they ended up coming from Clarendon, Happy Valley 14 and Kangarilla
still better than most country areas
we all have our bad days
This is my point of view only. I don't have exact times but can cross check with the report later. HVCFS arrived with 2x BA some time after MFS, but certainly not that far behind. They joined mets for internal attack. Some time later, crews started calling for backup BA. This could be your 25-30min that you heard. HVCFS sent a further two BA crew to incident in HV14 with back up cylinders to boost HV24P's 4 centurion sets and 4 spare cylinders. Total 6 BA crew on scene. Morphett Vale and Clarendon were utilised for pump and water carting respectively. Kangarilla were stopped prior to arrival.
hey does anyone have pics of this bad boy, i missed it on the news
Didnt miss much
At the end of the day, we are vollies, job well done.
Lets let the criticising rest, and focus on your own "big one" that you will get one day, and hope that everything under the sun unfolds right for you!
Quote from: P F on June 19, 2006, 05:20:21 PM
Didnt miss much
mmm three story house going well from what i understand... cant have missed a thing.
well, the news didnt show a lot of that so no really didnt miss a thing. :-)
Morphett also sent up 2 BA operators in their 14. Kangarilla was responded but didn't have crew to go.
It's like anything, i know sometimes stirling and other rescue brigades go to rescue's with only 1 or no rescue trained people but have plenty of other nuffers rock up..
Like someone else said we all have our bad days, no doubt if the call was the day before or after there wouldn't have been a problem but as we all know the big jobs don't happen when it's convenient.
Every brigade has their day, problem is brigades are too proud to get help and default even if they don't have the appropriate crew, do the right thing, wait for 4-6 mins and if no one is there by 4 i would seriously be defaulting, doesn't mean you cannot attend just make sure you have back up, if unsure transmit the box.
If no crew default and if you only have a small crew 2/3 members show up roll and see what you can do till back up arrives.You still have water and mann power that can be used
Whats with this crank word, what is a crank anyway :lol:
Clearly not you.
Ill take that as a good thing.
Apparently its used in the service, as the opposite of its meaning. I still prefer its original meaning, it works well with those who use it.
which is?
Well the official definition of a crank goes something like this;
"Crank" is a pejorative term for a person whoholds some belief which the vast majority of his contemporaries would consider counterfactual, clings to this belief in the face of all counterarguments or evidence presented to him.
The term implies that
a "cranky" belief is so wildly at variance with some commonly accepted truth as to be ludicrous, arguing with the crank is useless, because he will invariably dismiss all evidence or arguments which contradict his cranky belief.
Common synonyms for "crank" include kook and crackpot.
The word quack is usually reserved for someone who promotes a medical remedy or practice which he knows to be ineffective.
In the fire service I think you can safely say that a crank is someone that lives breathes and eats fire. Someone that is extremely passionate about the service and will generally put up strong arguments for change. Don't try to argue with a crank because they will always completely baffle you with technical specifications and useless information that will make you believe they really know what they are talking about.
I would say that many of the busier brigades would have a reasonable level of crankness, however the further afield you travel the less cranky they seem.
..... CRANKS OF THE WORLD UNITE .....
CRANK = HARDCORE FIRE NUT