Since in another thread we are divulging onto the works of MFS Scania's I thought it would be less messy to create a thread dedicated to Scania's and CFS Pumpers (hence why it isnt in MFS thread)
Is it true that the MFS Scania trucks are automatic?
yep
great thread... lol
i know MFS use scania's but it always annoys me that people associate Scania with pumper... what about mawson tanker??? plus there are plenty of other heavy pumpers, besides a heavy pumper could be built around just about any chassis... but nm, im just being a nob
the Mawson tanker is a great truck, the more of them the better
I made this thread mainly about Scania's so thats why I title it that :-) But to cover all bases I also added "pumpers' so people can talk about other brands.
yes the M.F.S scania's are automatic..
there are several automatic C.F.S trucks as well, barker pumper, burnside pumper, stirling pumper, cleve 32, lofty tanker are the ones i know off the top of my head.
the mawson tanker is an 8 speed manuel with a splitter box...
the old belair pumper was an auto also (or shud i say the current murray bridge pumper???) i rekon cleve 32 and burnside pumper were the same type of build up as the old belair one too...
Is the equipment carried by MFS & CFS interchangeable ? For example, can you connect a CFS hose to a MFS pump ?
Another thread is discussing the idea of both services running the same trucks in urban areas. So the question formed is the equipment similar.
After Granville Disaster in NSW many years ago, the hydraulics were made uniform between services. Hopefully that is still the same.
Sorry if this is a basic question that you cover is training, but I am an outsider... :|
hmm i have no idea about the hydraulic gear...
but hoses are mostly the same thread, and if not thats why we carry adaptors.
all mfs/cfs Fire fighting hoses are interchangeable and yes you can connect from cfs truck to mfs truck.
Quote from: Firey9119 on May 24, 2006, 01:00:10 PM
all mfs/cfs hoses are interchangeable
Assuming everyone is using the same type of hydraulic oil is the same.....
Quote from: bajdas on May 24, 2006, 12:03:47 PM
Is the equipment carried by MFS & CFS interchangeable ? For example, can you connect a CFS hose to a MFS pump ?
yeah bajdas, thats why our screw in hoses have standard SAMFS couplings. On this note, I heard someone the other day at brukunga talking about wajax hoses with different size couplings. anyone heard this?
Yeah, I've heard whispering about Wajax for the larger hoses... Last I heard SAMFS still didn't have any wajax either. (But neither do some CFS groups)
Interstate they use hermaphrodite couplings, which can cause slight issues for us when we head over that way. Who know if we will move that way or not. I would imagine it would cost a fair amount to refit everything. In terms of hydraulic hoses, I wouls suggest they are not interchangable as the CFS do not use the same brand rescue equipment across the board, I'm not sure about the MFS though.
As different brands use different oil, and fuction either by oil pressure or oil volume, you would no doubt run into issues.
Oh and Lofty Tanker... yeah, why on earth is that thing auto.
Do CFS and MFS ever share hoses and couplings?
Is an automatic truck the same as a car where you just brake and acclerate within reason, plus a few other gears like 1, 2, 3 and drive.
yes, an auto is a bit like a car...
to answer the CFS?MFS question, an example of this would be belair's old pumper boosting 205 at mitcham shopping centre...
i dunno bout the hydraulics... i guess if a tool busted perhaps...
MFS use Holmatro rescue equipment across the board, so if the are at a job with CFS/SES who also have Holmatro then the tools/couplings are interchangeable. However many CFS brigades run Lukas rescue gear as the CFS bought about 20 sets and got a deal in 2000 when they outfitted many of the new 24P`s with them. So of course the lukas stuff doesnt work with the Holmatro.
mmm Hurst...
Quote from: ath on May 24, 2006, 05:21:19 PM
MFS use Holmatro rescue equipment across the board, so if the are at a job with CFS/SES who also have Holmatro then the tools/couplings are interchangeable. However many CFS brigades run Lukas rescue gear as the CFS bought about 20 sets and got a deal in 2000 when they outfitted many of the new 24P`s with them. So of course the lukas stuff doesnt work with the Holmatro.
why are we talking about rescue gear? we were on pumps and hoses.
cause thats the way these treads go after a while: way off track :-)^^
Quote from: probie_boy on May 25, 2006, 09:26:40 AM
why are we talking about rescue gear? we were on pumps and hoses.
Cant help what I am interested in....and all services carry some sort of hydraulic equipment (rams, hand-pumps, hoses, etc).
Back to the Scania vs others
Is the Scania chassis really any better than other chassis (For pumpers) or is it just that the MFS make good trucks with Scanias?
If you mean compared to the cab chassis yours is on then YES! they are far better.
hehehe, ok
Quote from: TillerMan on May 25, 2006, 12:00:41 PM
If you mean compared to the cab chassis yours is on then YES! they are far better.
don't rib that truck! :-D
I think personally that European trucks definitely have the edge over their American and Japanese counterparts.
By the way when I say European, I DON'T mean Pommy crap.
The European trucks usually have higher tech, quieter motors, better retarders and braking, turning circles and chassis and overall build of the vehicles is far better.
I make a lot of this basis upon lots of vehicles I have driven or worked on in my numerous jobs.(coach driver & auto electrician)
As for using Scania's for fire appliances, they are exceptionally good and I don't know of any firefighting crew that honestly don't like them.
Regards, Mat
plus... they actually look like a real fire truck!!!
but in reality it has very little to do with its fire fighting capability... hmm except for PTOs i guess :?
I think Medevac their firefighting capabilities are excellent with the Darley LDMH 1000 pump able to shift large amounts of water.
A lot of thought has been put into the bodies/locker setup on these vehicles with all lockers low to ground for easier access and airbag rear suspension which also lowers appliance whilst in punping mode once again for easier locker access and for ladders etc.
I have been in the MFS for nearly 14 years now and have used many different pumpers over the years and these are by far the best produced so far.
I think Medevac that the truck is only just one small part of the package, but a excellent, reliable vehicle with a well built and thought out body and good quality pump and you should have a winner.
These at the end of the day are only two wheel drive urban pumps and good only for that purpose so I hope that they can produce excellent four wheel drive pumpers fit for country use.
Regards, Mat
but really how much does that have to do with the chassis itself??? all the firefighting capability is really to do with thwe buildup i think?
dont get me wrong, i think they are a great build of pumper
Yep, Fair call.
If you stuck the same body on a Volvo it would be just as good, but on other chassis might be average.
Regards, Mat
Quote from: medevac on May 25, 2006, 09:52:10 PM
but really how much does that have to do with the chassis itself??? all the firefighting capability is really to do with thwe buildup i think?
dont get me wrong, i think they are a great build of pumper
Have you been for a ride in a Scania? Leaves everything else for dead, in an Urban context. Superior fire fighter comfort & superior ride and handling ie: superior safety (IMO).....
You are correct that as far as fire fighting the chassis matters not. Take a ride in a Scania you will understand why people seem to have this irrational love for them.. :-D
Plus they look cool. They look sweet at night with the flashing lights. :-P
ive played with them, but never ridden in one...
i know there a great truck and buildup, was just stating a fact.
They are very nice to ride in and even to drive (scanias). I am one of the lucky ones who gets to do it fairly often. lol
Stirling Pumper=
Compact and well presented is this low cost solution for Medium Pumper requirements. This Pumper is based on the relatively inexpensive FVD950 Isuzu Dual-cab and offers an extremely affordable alternative to Scania or M.A.N. Medium Pumpers.