Why is it that group/brigade's have to have all information on there pagers,( 14 moblie.14 arrived,14 stop call small fire,14 returning,14 back on station) is there any need for this to be done?? and is this going to come out of your budget as we have to pay for all these page's??? We should only get page for job,more crew needed and any information that we need to know. I can not see the need for groups'brigades to do a full report page on every job,waste of time and money :?
personally i wouldnt be happy... especially if it were 2am or whatever. but its up to the brigade how they use there pagers, and it is an operational thing so i cant see any issue.
I dont mind....i can sit down here in mt gambier and see whats going on up in adelaide
:-D
Most pages like that go to the group duty officers i believe.
I have to agree blinky.. Waste of time / resources / peoples patience if you ask me...
NTPA: ALL CREWS RETURNED RESPOND AS NORMAL 08-04-06 16:26
The message above i agree with.....it lets those crew members unable to attend the last call know that the trucks are back and they can respond as normal.
Camo
Stop calls... Or that... Relevant..
Those 40 pages about the trucks every movement..... crap.
Probaly nothing wrong with a sitrep if the job is going to be prolonged?
That way none of your crew are left in the lurch...also lets the crew know whether they maybe needed later on e.g. relief crews i guess.
Camo
If its relevant - then I dont mind so much..... but I do get rather annoyed when "xxx 24 returned to station" comes over the pagers. It also doesnt help relations with my employer to have the pager going off for no apparent reason. Its only set to chirp, but its still enough to distrct people..... Has said he doesnt mind having it on within reason.
Quote from: Mike on April 10, 2006, 07:04:15 AM
If its relevant - then I dont mind so much..... but I do get rather annoyed when "xxx 24 returned to station" comes over the pagers. It also doesnt help relations with my employer to have the pager going off for no apparent reason. Its only set to chirp, but its still enough to distrct people..... Has said he doesnt mind having it on within reason.
simple: set it to vibrate only.
Good Idea..... but doesnt suit my lifestyle.... and Im not going to start changing pager tones twice a day!
maybe a little stuborn I know.... but you get that!
Quote from: Mike on April 10, 2006, 12:46:36 PM
Good Idea..... but doesnt suit my lifestyle.... and Im not going to start changing pager tones twice a day!
maybe a little stuborn I know.... but you get that!
yep you're right, it's stubborn ;)
isn't chirp the same tone that is set when responding calls come through?
if so just set it to a less annoying tone. i use tone 1
Tone 7 is for call outs.
Chirp is 1 cycle of that tone.
I told a fib before... I actually use Chirp - Vibrate. minor oversight :roll:
oh ok. cause the call out tone can be very annoying. at night it cuts through your dreams like a knife!
:-) I kinda think thats the point! ;)
well, it works on me!
this smiley represents me at 3am when we get a call :-o
Yea so any way..
I also get annoyed with the poxy messages...
If your not at the call, ring the station if you want to sticky beak about it..
Unless it directly involves the job, and the crews not at the scene / station need to know.. THen find out at the next training night or sumthing..
A page telling crews that a truck is responding to the job, that the truck is at the scene, truck is leaving, and truck is back... Over kill...
Does it actually cost more money if you send more pages? I would have thought the cost would be for keeping the system operational and you can send as many or as little pages as you like without affecting the cost...:?
As far as sending out a sitrep every 15 minutes - I would fine it damn annoying, but it obviously works for some brigades...
Either way there would have to be some cost involved.. Probably a ... retainer... as such to keep the system up, and can only ASSUME there would be a per message cost.... You are dialling up, sending data, etc etc.. There has to be cost some where.. ??
Unless as you said its in an initial running cost...
I've got my pager set on tone 7 for all urgent messages and melody 2 for mail-drop messages from what i can recall when being issued with a GRN pager that tone 9 is the exact alert tone which was on the old Link Pagers and would be the best one for callouts
Just a friendly reminder dont put your pager in the bedroom right next to the bed as it could catch you off guard while getting dressed in the morning
It happened to me a couple weeks ago as i was about to put on my t-shirt the pager sounded for a callout instead i ended up running outside to my car while trying to put it on
these smilies represent me being caught off guard and running outside with my t-shirt in one hand and my keys in the other :-o :oops:
Nothing is worse than being in the shower... pager drops.... and figuring drying takes to long... So u just put your clothes on and let them do the drying...
:D
Number of times I have gotten to the station wearing boxers or not much more... haha.. good times...
A valuable lesson taught to me.... if your in the shower or about to take a ..... best to finish and go down a little later (especially the latter). never know when your going to get another chance! ;)
screw that dude, i wipe in the car! hahahahaha :lol:
joking (thank god)
Thats funny probie_boy :lol: but being caught in the shower when the pager sounds is no worser than running outside on a stormy,cold or hot night wearing only boxers and a t-shirt as i've done that plenty of times as well :lol:
Never in 10 years been caught in the shower but been caught on the bog many times :evil:
We used to have a bloke who ran in the station naked and get dressed in the station :oops: thankfully that only lasted twice before a stern word was passed.
Had a member come in the station for a job the other day with half his face shaved the other not it was pretty damn funny and he won't live it down for the next year :lol:
Quote from: strikeathird on April 10, 2006, 05:59:56 PM
Yea so any way..
I also get annoyed with the poxy messages...
If your not at the call, ring the station if you want to sticky beak about it..
Unless it directly involves the job, and the crews not at the scene / station need to know.. THen find out at the next training night or sumthing..
A page telling crews that a truck is responding to the job, that the truck is at the scene, truck is leaving, and truck is back... Over kill...
If you're talking about the barossa ones, it's sent to group officers only. If that's how that group wants to do it, that's their business (perhaps they have a group officer who can't get radio reception or something).
If you're talking about somewhere else where these type of pages are sent to everyone in the group, and you're in that group, then again it's obviously something the group management committee decided to do. If you don't like it, put it on the agenda for the next group meeting.
Someone here said sending pages costs money, but does it? (ignoring the phone call or dialup to send the page). Do you know the details of the CFS contract with Link? It's not some "200 pages for $20" type deal you know.
I was told that everytime you press the PTT button on a GRN radio it costs some more money...
whether that is true or not im not sure.
Cameron
Quote from: Darius on April 11, 2006, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: strikeathird on April 10, 2006, 05:59:56 PM
Yea so any way..
I also get annoyed with the poxy messages...
If your not at the call, ring the station if you want to sticky beak about it..
Unless it directly involves the job, and the crews not at the scene / station need to know.. THen find out at the next training night or sumthing..
A page telling crews that a truck is responding to the job, that the truck is at the scene, truck is leaving, and truck is back... Over kill...
If you're talking about the barossa ones, it's sent to group officers only. If that's how that group wants to do it, that's their business (perhaps they have a group officer who can't get radio reception or something).
If you're talking about somewhere else where these type of pages are sent to everyone in the group, and you're in that group, then again it's obviously something the group management committee decided to do. If you don't like it, put it on the agenda for the next group meeting.
Someone here said sending pages costs money, but does it? (ignoring the phone call or dialup to send the page). Do you know the details of the CFS contract with Link? It's not some "200 pages for $20" type deal you know.
In general ..
Same as i get pissed when brigaes notify of burnoffs... Every freaking training night........
Every one is allowed to have there quams mate.. if it grinds your gears that much.. Dont read a forum..
Quote from: strikeathird on April 11, 2006, 09:43:47 PM
..Same as i get filtered when brigaes notify of burnoffs...
Notify who?
Like full group pages of blah brigade conducting a burn..
Notify the GO.. If they think its neccasarry, notify the brigades closest... then if neccessary again.. cause of conditions etc.. notify the group..
Any way.. getting off my bandwagon..
We get notified of permits issued relevant to the next few days.... Is handy to know what the smoke is about, particularly for those of us on the alerts system.... That being said, there arnt many of them either.
Quote from: strikeathird on April 11, 2006, 09:43:47 PM
Every one is allowed to have there quams mate.. if it grinds your gears that much.. Dont read a forum..
"qualm" means an uneasy feeling, I would have said you had gripes or whinges but anyway.
Just an attempt to inject some facts and common sense into the discussion, pointless I know! :evil: :-D
you said it darius :wink:
Quote from: strikeathird on April 10, 2006, 05:59:56 PM
Yea so any way..
I also get annoyed with the poxy messages...
If your not at the call, ring the station if you want to sticky beak about it..
Unless it directly involves the job, and the crews not at the scene / station need to know.. THen find out at the next training night or sumthing..
A page telling crews that a truck is responding to the job, that the truck is at the scene, truck is leaving, and truck is back... Over kill...
Save me! (Im serious!) the dreaded messages are starting to come across my pager toooooo :| :cry:
You arent the only one Mike i had a message like that come over my pager a few weeks ago which nearly resulted in my flying through the screen door :lol: until i read the message
Despite the fire season ending midnight on Saturday we shouldnt drop our guard as most burnoffs have a habit of getting out of hand during the off season
I can remember going to Carpenter Rocks a couple years back in a Task Force Team because a burnoff in one of the Pine Plantations got out of hand although our brigade didnt do anything but sit around all night until we were released after midnight
Robert34, you should change your alert tone to something other than tone 7, that way, you'll know its not a call out ;)
and you're right about burnoffs getting out of control,
26-04-06 17:04:28 MFS: RESPOND GRASS FIRE 26/04/06 17:03,BARRIER HWY,BURRA, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BURN OFF OUT OF CONTROL NTH OF BURRA,561*CFSRES:
Why does it say MFS but then has CFSRES* at the start and end of the message?
"MFS" at the start of the message is simply the place the message originated, "SHQ" being CFS SOCC, "MFS" being SAMFS Commcen...
*CFSRES: is simply the doo-dah... i cant think of the rioght word, but it is the part of the message that causes it to revert to tone 7. same as "URGMSG"...
*CFSRES is the standard used between MFS pagers, CFS pagers and SES pagers for alarms...
Cool, now I understand what it all means, thanks.
I always thought MFS meant it was an MFS page, do MFS have pagers? is there a site that has when they go to call outs and what reason as well?
MFS or SHQ is just the prefix, the way to tell if its CFS or MFS that have been responded is the numbers at the end... there are threads detailing what the numbers mean around the place...
Only the retained MFS crews as well as stn 33 and 28 are on pagers, the rest use MDTs (mobile data terminal) to recieve calls and transmit several K-codes... i dont believe there is any way to intercept them.
also distric officers are on pagers...
I believe the METS that are on pagers have a faulty dispath system..
i also beleave that mfs 303 has pagers due to no/ notworking MDT. and if you look at any mfs page it still has *CFSRES at the end of the message to activate tone 7
yeah