What did people think of the new 34 that was at the comps???looks good the only problem's that I could see was that the work area on the appliances has less room for crews to work from in fast running grass fire's as there is no access around the tank as the hose reels side on the tray,also there was poor light for night work and once again no speaker near pump to hear the radio... Was nice to see kimba brigade drove there old 34 over to pick up there new one....
If you were on the back why would you have to access the sidelines? there are 3 on the workdeck to use.
the workdeck is a lot smaller than what is around at present and I would like to see how this would handly in a fast running grass fire and we have always found that it works better with 4 on the back rather than 2 or 3 members...
I personally think fires should be fought OFF of the truck. Even fast moving grass fires can be very successfully extinguished when operating hoselines off of the appliance. And if it is too dangerous to fight the fire on foot, you shouldn't be there in the first place.
urban area v's rural area = differant mentality towards fighting grassies...
we always get off the truck, to make sure its out the first time and stays out... but we do have cramped acess to two onboard hoseline sin crew deck... not that you can shut the doors when your in there because of the set-up :roll:
There is a huge diversity of terrain in SA no one single tactic is best for all types of attack. Open grass lands and plains areas have very very fast moving running fires which cannot be controlled by fire fighters on foot. I have taken part in direct attacks on very fast moving grassies that could only be stopped by many appliances literally chasing the fire.
Working from the truck is a very useful and legitimate tactic. It is a skill that needs lots of practice and you must get the pump and branch setup right and have a great driver. But when you have a few good operators it is highly successful.
Quote from: Firefrog on September 05, 2005, 08:15:01 AM
Working from the truck is a very useful and legitimate tactic. It is a skill that needs lots of practice and you must get the pump and branch setup right and have a great driver.
My group sent strike team crews to KI several years ago - using appliances already there. For the majority of crews, it was their first experience at fighing a running grass fire from the back of a truck (as it exited the scrub at a huge rate). It inspired many to ask for training in this when we returned home (Adelaide Hills), which we provided.
It also gave many who went a new respect for how different the state is, now different the conditions are and how we take our own back yard for granted and judge others on our patch.
There would be very few, who went on the first couple of deployments to Vic - who had seen terrain and trees like those before - again another great learning experience and a fantastic opportunity to respect what others do - in our line of work. :-D
We are lucky through our training and briefings systems that we can adapt our training, skills and equipment to many, many diverse situations and that those who designed our equipment considered ALL of these situations when they built a truck - good work to the design team - nice multi purpose vehicle.
Anyway after driving one they seem a bit 'floaty'. They tend to move around a bit on the road. Dont know if this is due to the height or weight distribution.
You are right 24P it is because of the height that they float but you get used to it,they go well off road and the turbo helps but cuts out at 108kms but that is fast enough speed. As for the state being different that is also true I went to Vic with a crew that had never scene a crown fire and they where amazed by the speed and the ground fire that followed.
So what works well in one region or state does not work in your area....
Strikeathird, I think you need to get out and experience some firefighting before making comments like that. I have fought fires in many different area's, what works in the hills does not work out in the cropping country, I challenge you to put a fire out on foot in cropping country as well as a crew fighting from the back of the truck, its horses for courses. That is often why people argue that the cookie cutter trucks we use don't suit everyone, pity the people that need to know , don't listen.
Ahh!!
Fighting a running grass fire from the back of a moving appliance is one of life's greatest joys :-) (and why do you think the lines are there?)
The often practised technique in these parts is to have an experienced driver follow the fireline (burnt side of course) at a suitable distance for crews to reach. Two branch operators on the fire side - first one to direct a power cone past the drivers open window and on to the fire line for initial knowdown (keeps the driver cool - windscreen and driver wet if not done properly and reduces flame intensity in front of truck). Second operator uses line sparingly at about 90 degrees from first line in a small fog to get the rest. Works well to have another appliance coming a few hundred metres behind to mop up the going fire line. The head can be knocked down if safe otherwise appliances can pinch out the flanks. When spreading sides are contained time to move into the burnt area to get all those bushes, tractor tyres, cow paddies etc. This is when we might actually have to get off the truck!!!!!!!!
Have safely fought fires in this manner for years and can't imagine catching them on foot! Many years ago we were doing 80km an hour to keep up with one so as you can imagine not only our firies but our lines couldn't keep up off the truck :-)
A lame training drill for this is to set up a series of traffic cones in a wavy sort of fireline pattern and have the crews practice the technique. A much more exciting training is the "Mad Rabbit" which is a bizzare sort of gas prop towed by a vehicle and requires a less than mad operator if you don't want dents in your appliance. We used them at Regional Field Days (R3) until they became "frowned upon". Maybe Blinky has used one? It was a favourite of Rex in Region Five who fought many OH&S obstacles to legitimise it as a training tool.
Yes the mad rabbit have used long time ago wish they came back as they would give people a better understanding of what a fast running grass fire is. Fighting a run grass fire has its good and bad points but down here its better to fight from the appilanes then mopp up on foot. What works here does not work in hills country and we all have to accept that..
Quote from: Wagon 1 on September 08, 2005, 10:13:29 AM
Strikeathird, I think you need to get out and experience some firefighting before making comments like that. I have fought fires in many different area's, what works in the hills does not work out in the cropping country, I challenge you to put a fire out on foot in cropping country as well as a crew fighting from the back of the truck, its horses for courses. That is often why people argue that the cookie cutter trucks we use don't suit everyone, pity the people that need to know , don't listen.
Funnily enough wagon, I have fought many of the fires I refer too, with YOU!
Any way... I was making reference to in general, I have been exposed to a number of grass fires, when brigades rock up, and drive along and blast the heck out of it with the deck gun, or crew deck lines, waste water, and do sweet FA to the fire.. A different brigade, has 3 members working off the appliance and are 99% more effective....
If i generalised, I take it back, I meant to say that commonly, I think a majority of Fires should and can be fought off the truck, instead of taking the lazy option when it is available.
Granted, there would be terrains, and fires that being off the appliance is not only dangerous, but a waste of time.
So yeah, back to the 34, it is a nice rig, its about time C.F.S started building some practical (non plastic) appliances. Would be nice to test one of the new turbo isuzu's compared to the first non turbo isuzu's.
I understand the 2 trucks are chalk and cheese, amazing what a turbo can do!!
I apologise Strikeathird, but you need to be careful about general statements.
Anyway, good to see the plastic fantastics are dying out finally!!
Does anyone know if the new 34's come with the very nice BA racks like those in the new 34P's?
Quote from: CFS_fire32 on September 16, 2005, 11:03:49 AM
Does anyone know if the new 34's come with the very nice BA racks like those in the new 34P's?
Nope just the fold down ones like the early 24P's
Bugger!
hmmmm..
Not good.
C.F.S probably allowed moores about 10 bucks to build this bracket so it figures. :wink:
Or the profit margin to meet CFS prices was so slim that to turn a profit thats all they could fit!!
must admit i reckon they need 1 more locker as space is a bit limited, but the moveable shelving is a good idea
:? I saw some being made at moors last week and saw some with two inlets and two outlets. the other with only one inlet and two outlets whats the difference or should that be why? I would also like to know what site could i go to to see more about them.
The two inlets and outlets are a bit of a mirage, as one goes to the pump, and the other goes directly to the tank. So it truly is a rural fire truck, not a chance it could be used to boost properly, as you would have to feed from the tank and the hydrant, so not very efficient. But I will say they look a damn site better than the earlier plastic fantastics!!
Anyone on here have a new 34, anyone used it in anger, and how are they holding up and perforimng for you? I think we have some Salisbury members on here, how is the new toy going?
We've used ours a few times, seems ok (for a rural appliance). 60 metre hoses come in handy, wanders a litle bit on the road though, might need a bit more weight on it
David you said one went to the pump, the other went straight to the tank? I must be missing a link in the brain my next question then will be why? :? :? I thought it would be better to be able to hook up to the boosters. Could you try to explain it to me.
HA! Exactly Backburn...... WHY !!!!
I think alot of people have asked that question about a number of issues over the years !
I don't know Backburn, I guess the were designed as a rural truck, not for boosting, even though the seem to be going to a large number of brigades that have multiple boosters in there area's. But its ok MFS will help out when we can't do it.
Lets face people a 34p is still and always will be a rural appliances,and its about time someone up the ladder had a serious look into what brigades need in the way of appliances instead of coming up with these so called part time pumpers that are just rural appliances. A pumper is a pumper and the 34 is still a 34 rural appliances,better still forme a committee made up of members from the region's and give new blood ago at being on these working party's.......
Where i come from may be in a small town but we still have 5 boosters around our town. We will have to wait for another truck to come in from another town, luckily both towns are only 5 to 10 Min's away.
I was wondering if anybody could tell me what the external lighting is like on the new 34's. Judging from the pictures I have seen, there doesn't seem to be a great deal.
As in work lighting? only 2 spotlights either side and one pump worklight and some rear deck lighting.
Quote from: TillerMan on September 11, 2005, 02:52:03 PM
So yeah, back to the 34, it is a nice rig, its about time C.F.S started building some practical (non plastic) appliances. Would be nice to test one of the new turbo isuzu's compared to the first non turbo isuzu's.
I assure you from the 2000 model 24p (Non Turbo) to this years 34 (Turbo) there is a lot of difference. It leaves our 24 for dead. It is limited in normal driving to 108kph but when the "Oscars" are on the limiter is off. we've had ours up to 125kph but that was on a very flat road. Speaking to a moores eng. rep the other day he believes on the freeway they should top 135kph, but thats pretty excessive for a top heavy truck like that.
Quote from: backburn on October 03, 2005, 12:56:49 PM
David you said one went to the pump, the other went straight to the tank? I must be missing a link in the brain my next question then will be why? :? :? I thought it would be better to be able to hook up to the boosters. Could you try to explain it to me.
SA water is kicking up a stink about back flow in to the mains so the inlet has a one way valve and goes straight to the tank. Yes the new 34 does travel a bit because anymore weight to the front and the front axle would be overloaded and you would end up with springs like the AFC 24p's. apparently that model isuzu without a back on it with seven people in the cab was near the front axle max weight.
But how come they are only doing it on the one truck, what about the rest of the 34P's and Type 2 pumpers, do they have the one way valve?
I believe that the the 34P has a 'tank fill' inlet on the passengers side near the rear wheels.
A tank fill inlet is very common on applainces being built these days. It usually is designed so the water drops into the tank so tank water is isolated from mains water.
What's that, do I understand the post? The limiter is disabled when the lights and sirens are on?
:-D pretty neat hey!!
Well, yes, but not fair....
The 24P we have had for just over a year now is a real goer but the limiter cutting in at 105ish is really quite painful.
Given that we often travel in excess of 20km to priority one jobs on open (110kmh) roads it would be a very, very nice trick.
Not normally a jealous fire truck envy type person, but.....
Quote from: kat on October 25, 2005, 04:22:48 PM
Well, yes, but not fair....
The 24P we have had for just over a year now is a real goer but the limiter cutting in at 105ish is really quite painful.
Given that we often travel in excess of 20km to priority one jobs on open (110kmh) roads it would be a very, very nice trick.
Interesting someone i spoke to at Happy Valley CFS said that Clarendon's 24p had that function?? Possibly 34's only??
Maybe if you spoke to your regional maint. person or sandy patterson you could get it put on your truck, considering on a pretty flat road they reckon 130kph isn't out of the question!
Not normally a jealous fire truck envy type person, but.....
Kat i think everyone who got you're type of 24p sent them back to isuzu to get them fitted. Clarendon has one of the same 24p's and sent theirs back.
Will be looking into that one ASAP.
I would Kat, Woodside have one on there's and it actually pulls away up German Town hill for those that know the area. They used Balhannah's 2000 model 24P (which is non-turbo) up the same hill and they could have walked faster !!
Our 34 gets to about 105 and cuts out then cuts in and its a real pain,but its also a safety issue with drives as the 34 we have is very high and if you dont drive it alot you dont know how to handly it on the road...
hmmm im not so sure speed limiters should be removed COMPLETELY... even in emergency vehicles.... perhaps adjusted to give them an extra 15 or 20 Ks?
becasue im sure its not evryone, but i knwow there are some stupid (or just adrenalin charged) people out there who would see how much they can wind it up...
Have to agree with you on that one OMGWTF, had to return ours to Moore's yesterday for a long list of warranty work :-( and the strath end of the strath to goolwa road makes for some white knuckle driving :-o below the speed limit let alone on a P1 drive!! An adjustment on the limiter for an extra 15-20 kph would be better than a free for all on open roads that may not be familiar to the driver!!
I think the limiter is just over ridden when in P1 conditions... It is still active when the Beacons/Flashers are off....
It's up to the driver to drive to the conditions under P1, and if he/she is driving unsafely, then the officer/crew should say something...
I don't think the limiters are actually "removed"...... (Will stand corrected if that is not the case).
Yes, when the beacons switch is turned on the limiter is overridden.
Well I guess it comes back to the officer having control over their drivers, I think its a great idea, nothing worse than going down the highway and only being able to go 105 km/h, and having everyone passing you like your standing still.
Drive to the conditions, and don't put up with idiot drivers in your brigade.
Quote from: strikeathird on October 28, 2005, 05:10:11 PM
It's up to the driver to drive to the conditions under P1, and if he/she is driving unsafely, then the officer/crew should say something...
i think prevention is better than a cure in this case, some people dont have the guts to stand up to others, and some people are just idiots and wont listen...
DAVID:
its funny isnt it... technically dont they have to do 40km/h past an emergency vehicle with its beacons on... lol.
Usually we turn them off up hills, no point, not like we need anyone to get out the way!!
yeh we defuinitly turn off siren, but usually leave on the lights neway.
Hi all,has anyone had rust on the new 34 yet?? we have rust around the crew shelter area and also alittle on the tray where the foam drums sit. we have also had a probelm with the reel drums not allowing us to pull the hose out on the reel.
hahah fantastic... mind you weve had rust on our 10 y.o. 24 since day one.
Quote from: rescue5271 on October 30, 2005, 11:29:19 AM
Hi all,has anyone had rust on the new 34 yet?? we have rust around the crew shelter area and also alittle on the tray where the foam drums sit. we have also had a probelm with the reel drums not allowing us to pull the hose out on the reel.
HAHA...
Well get it seen to whilst its still under warranty, you don't want to have the thing fall apart in 15 years time!
Thanks guys, our 24P will have the "emergency services kit" fitted to it (whatever overrides the limiter when beacons are on)when it's returned to ISUZU for a service and to repair the non operational exhaust break. (Great, have to figure out how to get it there and back but anyhow).
In terms of people abusing this to detriment of safety - this just will not happen. Also people seem happy with the concept of an extra 20kms an hour. I'll be damned suprised (and I know she's got plenty of horsepower) if limited or not we get 130km/hr out of her.
And I hear ya Mundcfs, the way this girl wanders all over the road I wouldn't do 110 between Meningie and Ashville.
When at moore's the other day they had 5 34's almost ready for delivery and four halfway through building, they are for Stirling North, Kapunda, Roseworhty, Bordertown, and Port Clinton, seems the CFS is replacing these brigades late 90's Hino 34's with the newies. These 34's are different from the first five built this year. They now have Darley 500gpm pumps (was told they aren't as good pressure as the 250gpm waterous pumps but actually more cost effective), a revised inlet/outlet setup, and a spray system around the crew cab for burnover protection??? However i didn't see it in action so I'm unsure how it works.
Just another couple of nifty things on this years 34 thatmay or may not have been on last years. The foam drum is kept in a locker with the hose and spike in through the side of the locker (much cleaner and easier to use than the spike and reservoir), if the recirc valve is turned off it's got its own "blow-off" valve so theoretically it is impossible to cook the pump, and the water level is now read by sonar :|, however any moisture in the unit causes it to fail, moores had to cover any wiring or switches up to do with this because it wasn't done properly the first time. :oops:
Hi,
I may be opening myself up to a bit of a hit, but - I am Andrew Geue, I work for Moore Engineering - I do the tender response and also some of the design work on the appliances.
I would be happy to answer questions (that I am allowed to) and put Moore Engineerings angle on what and why.
Just looking at some of the posts so far:
Rust - It would be swarf from steel drilling sitting on the aluminium frame - Aluminium, what the frame, fops, step etc are made of doesent rust like steel.
Truck seems like it is floating - The weight distribution criteria states a max on the front axle - full of people and stowage. We allow 6 persons at 90 KG in the cab for calculation purposes.If the cab only has one person, it makes a bit of difference to the handling. Also the weight is biased to leave the front axle feeling a bit light, this is a result of the weight limit of the axle under ADR. It may well need a bit more weight forward to feel comfortable, but it is difficult to achieve give the specifications.
Vehicle lighting. - It is a little on the low side - a pole light would help a lot. - If members would like to See the addition of a pole light on rural appliances they should lobby through the Vehicle committee (if it is still going?)
BA Brackets - We opt for our "simple" design - it is cost effective. The other models rely on gas struts and other mechanical aids, these are all fine whilst working, but down the track (when the manufacturer goes bust) you will not be able to get parts. Our system should last 20 years with little or no service work required. Also being cost effective we can value add to other areas of the appliance. (like flow control, pistol grip branches)
Speed limiter over ride - This is done by North East Isuzu.
Inlets and outlets - Inlets - the new 34 has a 500 GPM Darley, we have adapted the plumbing from a 4" stortz to a 2 1/2" SAMFS fitting. teh 4" stortz allows suction from a static supply (hope they have the 4" hard suction on site) this give the pump a chance to draft and develop the pump capacity. The tank fill (hydrant fill) is for filling the tank from a SA Water supply. This is done in a effort to meet SA Water back flow prevention requirements. There are 2 outlets.
We have a web site - it has not been upgraded for a long time. I am in the process of trying to get it updated as we speak. mooreengineering.com.au
Hope this helps.
Any other issues I will do my best to give a honest answer. We do not have all the answers or know everything about about fire trucks, we are also always keen to listen to those in the know (you, the fire fighters).
Andrew Geue
Moore Engineering
PS sorry for the spelling and typos, I am doing this in my lunch brake
Thanks for that,and I hope you have answered few of our problems with the 34 we have a 34 that is 12mths old and the reel motor has died?? also where the foam is stored there is always a pool of foam from under the tray when we wash the appliances and no we have not used the foam. I would have liked to see the foam isolate switch closer to the pump OHSW issue with members getting in behind pump to turn foam on?????
Contact me about the reel motor - if it is only a year old I should be able to get that replaced under warranty. That will be at the suppies discression.
The foam pool is a bit of a mystery - may have a leak in the bottom of the tank - If the tank has a leak we should be able to repair it.
The isolating valve for the foam tank should not have to be used, is is there if the rubber line need replacing, this saves you having to empty the tank.
Unfortunatly the appliance will have to come to us for the repairs - or you could send us the tank and motor,
Andrew
08 85323639
Andrew,
I know youre a busy man but do you think you could post some photos of the locker layout. There are plenty of photos of the truck but none with the lockers open.
Cheers.
Yep,
I will brush up on picture posting.
Do you need to upload photos to a hosted site and link to that site on the posting, or can I put the pictures in a post?
Andrew
Thanks Andrew, its refreshing to see a mnafacturer not afraid to back themsleves up, I must say the newest version of the 34 is worlds ahead of the earlier versions, and would make any rural brigade happy as a pig in you know what.
Hi,
I have been watching the forum for a while, and did not know to get involved or not - I am also a volunteer (for the SES, and have been for over 20 years) so I understand things from that side, so I thought I would put my bit in to the forum.
As a manufacturer (and I say all others) we do try to do our best. We have a lot of constraints, - time, money, ability, end user understanding, workforce limitations etc. No one goes out to make a bad truck, some time it is a product of many factors (a lot out of our control)
We try to make the best product for the fairest price, and try to back up our product the best we can. Some times we do that well and some times we suck!
I have just updated the moore engineerings web (www.mooreengineering.com.au) site and added a link at the end, near the counter. it links to a new page with some photos as requested of the lockers, have a look - I hope it works.
Andrew
Thank you sir, your a champ.
Quote from: TillerMan on November 02, 2005, 12:20:49 PM
Andrew,
I know youre a busy man but do you think you could post some photos of the locker layout. There are plenty of photos of the truck but none with the lockers open.
Cheers.
TillerMan i believe there are photos of our 34 on goolwa cfs website in photos section on page 8 or 9..
Andrew, much appreciated the work you guys did on our 34 last week all problems were fixed and hopefully it's the last time you guys have to see the appliance :wink:
Thanks Andrew. Good to see someone with the know !
Thanks mundcfs, the photos are only of one side but that gives us an idea.
Thanks so much Andrew. Great to have you contribute both as an emergency services member and fire appliance manufacturer.
If you go the gallery section you'll find it makes setting up a gallery and uploading images from your local drives fairly painless.
Good pictures Andrew can you tell me at what stage is the truck that was numbered 12 or 13 in your yard?, as I was down there getting Monash 14 after they had a job done. :-D
We are looking and hoping to have ALL 34 Appiances stowed and at North East Isuzu early to mid December. The hold up at customs may play some part, but we seem to be on track so far.
Andrew
what or why would they hold things up?
The members would like to know when we get back from a job do we have to leave the truck running for a while to cool down or wind down? for the turbo part. :? :?
Quote from: backburn on November 26, 2005, 12:11:20 PM
The members would like to know when we get back from a job do we have to leave the truck running for a while to cool down or wind down? for the turbo part. :? :?
We at goolwa were told by our region TO on delivery that we didn't have to let the truck wind down but on talking with Moore's and N.E Isuzu they said it would be good to let the turbo wind down for a few minutes, and to idle the truck for a minute or two before rolling, so i guess if the first person in the door turns the truck on by the time the crew is dressed and ready the turbo would have had time to lubricate. Hope that helps!!
Thanks it looks like we will get the first driver in the door to start it up and let it idle while we all get ready then. We just first need to receve the truck.
Quote from: backburn on November 26, 2005, 09:19:05 PM
Thanks it looks like we will get the first driver in the door to start it up and let it idle while we all get ready then. We just first need to receve the truck.
That usually helps doesn't it :-P :lol:. Just watch that turbo when it kicks in there's a fair surge behind it compared to the older trucks. :wink:
Start up and wind down,well we where informed not to do this as the turbo did not need it,if it is true that we need to start it before we drive it CFS better install exhaust fans into fire stations to remove the fumes...
We will have two doors open. OHS&W said that should do. Fans will cost to much to install. People are quite cheep. :-D
We were instructed that it wasn't neccessary to startup or wind down, but the way the trucks are driven (usually flat out when cold) anything that could prolong the life of a turbo because you blow one of them and you'll blow your budget just fixing it, but it's up to the brigade whether you do or don't i suppose. :|
Just walk to the job......Sounds easier.
we usually fire the truck up and roll it just outside the doors... had an incident once when an over excited member (who has since been told his services were no longer required, long history)started the truck and sat there revving it, until the crew was ready, he was already at station so this about 3 mins... filled the shed up with gas and noone could egt in there to put there gear on... id call it an irresperable (sp?) environment :D:D
Am looking forward to the arrival of our new 34 very shortly, and by all accounts it sounds like the best thing since sliced bread. It will be nice to finally have a permenent appliance since we have had several repalcements over the last couple of years since our old 32's PTO pump called it a day. (best appliance we ever had, wish we still had it.)
Can anyone tell me if the region run a brigade familiarisation training session on the new appliance, or is it here you go, figure it out for yourself. Not to suggest that I don't mind this approach. Sure keeps you amused for a few hours while you attempt to work out how everything functions without breaking anything.
Your brigade will get a regional officer come along give a talk about the new appliances then take yop all over the unit. Then you will be asked to prime the pump from a dam or water hole and make sure you all know how to do it. Then in afew months time your drivers will be put throu a training course on the does and donts...
Yeah, best thing since sliced bread, so long as you don't want to put any equipment on it. But for those who have always had Rural 24's and 34's it would be sensational, come a long way since the plastic fantastics.
will be a welcome addition to the shed either way. CD player :D , dual cab.... Am looking forward to having a play. Now all we need is for the new shed to be finished, so we have somewhere to put it!!!
Is the new 34 much higher at the cab than the older ones, they have messured our shedand said its OK. :?
Im pretty sure they are the same height as the 24P's....
Wonder what they would do if it did not fit?
They are a lot taller than the first generation Isuzu 24P's, a number of stations have had work done to make them fit, and a lot of brigades have had their truck re-allocated due to the station being to small.
They are alot taller than the old 34's, maybe Andrew from moores can tell us the dimensions.
Quote from: TillerMan on December 01, 2005, 01:41:18 PM
They are alot taller than the old 34's, maybe Andrew from moores can tell us the dimensions.
I am unsure of it's exact dimensions apart from the fact it's 7 metres long, but it is taller than our 2000 model 24p by about 6 inches witout the lights on top and probably about 8 inches with the lights up there, but that is a guess only. It's definitely got more room between the front wheel and the guard, but we will see if the springs sag like on earlier trucks it may settle down to be the same height as the old Isuzu's :lol:
I ment mesure one today and post a height, Got caught up.
I will look at it on monday and put the height on the forun.
Andrew
I noticed on another forum that Happy Valley (or Unhappy Valley)are getting one that they are not too happy about, does anyone know the story or rumors behind this.
I think its a case of appliance suitability... I have seen on the o fire forum a pic of a 34 they are meant to be getting.. And considering they have a 2001 24P I would assume it is replacing their Heavy Urban Pumper....
Spose I wouldn't be too happy either...
If you look at the GRN pager site happy valley pmp is off the road alot?????
Quote from: rescue5271 on December 03, 2005, 02:01:18 PM
If you look at the GRN pager site happy valley pmp is off the road alot?????
I saw that the other day on the pager site also, seemed there was an air hose leak / problem.. Havent seen it happen on the pager site again since..
LOL at that pic.. Is the 34 replacing the Heavy pumper ? or is it replacing the 24 Pumper ?
have been speaking to some mates from happy valley
seems pumper is being replaced by the 34
seems like someone has there head up there...... last year happy did 252 jobs (90 of which were building fires, fixed alarms and private alarms) they also do COQ for christies beach MFS.... so how will they manage this with two rural trucks?? has it become the opinion of the CFS to not put pumps in places like this becasue they have MFS backup coming, if so then i think something is terribly wrong...
love the pic btw.. sounds too me like a very unhappy valley
Hi Andrew
I am a new member in this forum, I was reading about the new 34's and was wondering how is Glossop's going and can we have the dimensions of the units please. Sorry to look pushy but we are happily waiting.
I think we should give it a rest about the Happy Valley issue, we don't know whats going on. I think you will find they don't have a problem with the truck, but the way the process of getting it happened.
We can whinge on the forum all we like, but it doesn't help their case for change.
i think they seem to have a problem with what they are getting... not the proces by which they are getting it...
AN URBAN STATION IS LOSING AN URBAN PUMPER AND GETTING A RURAL 34
i think its obvious what theyre problem is.
From my point of view being a fire fighter for 6 years i reckon that the new 34 appliances should be issued to the brigades who are very busy with RCR and industrial fires and those brigades who are less activegiven refurbished appliances
However the only setbacks with these new 34 appliances is the OHS&W risk involved becasue when it comes to attacking a grass fire the crew have to get out of the crew cab and attack it, should a burn over occur the crew are more likely to sustain ankle and leg injuries while scrambling into the crew cab
In my opinion the tradional 34 appliances e.g. open back and side door appliances are much better despite not having sprinkler systems as bthe crews can hop on the truck quickly and put out a running grass fire safely without getting off the back
Understand your point robert, but i think the brigades doing lots of RCR and structure related work should be getting pumpers rather than 34s...
by the way i think dual-cabs probably pose larger benefits to crews than open back style applainces.. most of the new 34s have a crew deck attached as well as the cab, which has fire curtains in it.. plus there are the benefits of comfort, air con and being able to hear/see whats going on, with the rest of the crew in cab.
Thats very true MEDEVAC but if my brigade got issued with a brand spanking new 34 dual cab there would be a drag race to the fire shed to see who gets first tips of responding in the new unit :lol:
But yeah you are right on the money with the advantages of the new dual cab having air conditioning and fire blankets and the crew being able to know what is happening rather than having to wait until arrival at incident
I have to admit that the Burnover awnings on the new appliance are pretty good. They are stronger, thicker and give better coverage on the back. And the A/C in the crew cab there's only one thing to say about this, SWEEEEEET...... :-D
Quote from: Robert34 on December 07, 2005, 04:11:58 PM
From my point of view being a fire fighter for 6 years i reckon that the new 34 appliances should be issued to the brigades who are very busy with RCR and industrial fires and those brigades who are less activegiven refurbished appliances
However the only setbacks with these new 34 appliances is the OHS&W risk involved becasue when it comes to attacking a grass fire the crew have to get out of the crew cab and attack it, should a burn over occur the crew are more likely to sustain ankle and leg injuries while scrambling into the crew cab
In my opinion the tradional 34 appliances e.g. open back and side door appliances are much better despite not having sprinkler systems as bthe crews can hop on the truck quickly and put out a running grass fire safely without getting off the back
QuoteFrom my point of view being a fire fighter for 6 years i reckon that the new 34 appliances should be issued to the brigades who are very busy with RCR and industrial fires
Im sorry mate, but when you have spent those 6 years in a brigade doing 300 + calls a year, with anything up to 30 Structure Fires, any where up to 40 odd MVA's (not all requiring rescue).. 40 private alarms etc, I think you would understand why these brigades would need Urban Pumpers over a Rural 34.. I don't know if you are familiar with boosting either, but this also comes into play with responses for such brigades...& if you mentioned the comment I quoted above to members of those brigades, they would probably laugh...
The idea of running a 34 with rescue for a very rural brigade may work well when u have all of 10 calls a year, but when the work load is at the opposite end of the scale, and operationally you are attending a whole different range of jobs, its throws things into a different perspective, and quite simply a rural 34 won't cut it for some of these brigades.
However I understand your experience may be limited to a more rural environment and not the sutuations I have explained.
You have hit the nail right in the head stirkeathird it's true my 6 years of fire fighting has only been confined to rural area response but when it comes to averaging 10 or so callouts a year all depends on the type of weather but most times half of our callouts end up being stop calls
Also what you said is true having a new rural 34 appliance in our station not being used very often is not viable as it wont get used all the time
QuoteAlso what you said is true having a new rural 34 appliance in our station not being used very often is not viable as it wont get used all the time
I cant find where I said that, but I agree.
I understand that all rear entry 34 and 24 are to be replaced before any other brigade gets a new appliances not sure if that means you will get a new 34 or a refurb job but most of the rear entry appliances are to be removed from service......
Quote from: rescue5271 on December 08, 2005, 01:59:26 PM
I understand that all rear entry 34 and 24 are to be replaced before any other brigade gets a new appliances not sure if that means you will get a new 34 or a refurb job but most of the rear entry appliances are to be removed from service......
The first few 34's this year went to brigades with old vehicles but the other ten or so 34's are all going to brigades with appliances under 10yrs of age so i guess the CFS are looking at sending out a heap of refurb, 34's. Never know Robert34 you lot might get one down there early-mid next year if your brigade pushes for one!!
I sure hope so mundcfs as our truck is 19 years old but also our truck has the only working water level meter in the whole Wattle Range Division that was made by a CFS volunteer
I hate to tell you guys but when youre fighting a factory/domestic/retirement home/hospital/school fire a good crew protection system and a nice air conditioner wont help!!
Also most RCR brigades would barely fit their RCR gear on a 34 let alone any fire equipment!!
TillerMan is correct I have had a look at the new 34 and not enough room for rescue equipment :mrgreen:
Not much room for much equipment at all, especially hoses
Even on our 2000 model 24P there is no space it's completely chocka block full of RCR and urban gear i don't understand how some brigades can carry HAZMAT aswell as RCR epuipment on the urban trucks, and as for our new 34 if you took out the BA brackets you could fit an RCR pump there :-D, and that about covers all of your spare space.
well may be its about time some brigades looked at getting a stand alone rescue/hazmat unit and let the 34/24/pumper just do fire cover jobs. I went to KI some years ago and there was a nice 24 from the mainland with its RCR gear still on the appliances the home brigade forgot to remove it before it went over???? stand alone units are the best and you would be surprised at how much gear does fit into a empty fire appliances....
If food stamps could get us a stand alone rescue truck then we'd have one but there aren't that many $$$$ being thrown around out there! But i see your point going out of area you wouldn't have to worry about there being no rescue gear in your area!!
Thats very true as there are always brigades that are RCR trained not far away even if a RCR brigade say for example Penola goes to a Road Crash Rescue over the border and the same sort of emergency happens outside of Kalangadoo the Millicent RCR CFS crew has got our backs covered
Yeah good luck getting a stand alone appliance if you dont already have one.
Andrew I was wondering if you have a spear second how are the new 34 going? Have you got them all done yet or still being held up?
has anyone had any problems with the primer on the new 34"s?? Ours did burn out last year and since then we have had nothing but problems with it,unable to prime and it has been sent away to get fixed but still not working.
We have all the 34 appliances completed. We have been waiting on the green light for the water halo system for the can - and that seems to be given the nod.
We are in the process of getting the required materials together and finishing the halos off.
We were hoping to get the out before Christmas, but that is not looking good
Early new year we are now hoping for. The 14 unit are Nealy finished, some have been delivered.
Andrew just wondering if the first few 34's that came out this year will be fitted with the halo or is it just these last ten or so??
The first 9 delivered early in the year (and the last few just this month) do not have the halo, the next 14 will have it.
We could offer the Halo as a retro fit to any of the last 750 Isuzu Appliance - cost would vary depending on who manufactured the appliance.
Dont hold me to it but around the $2500 + GST (some less, some might cost more)
Has Ardrossen and Glossop got there new trucks yet??? :?
A new 34 would be cool, but imagine rocking up to a fire in this beast.
(http://worldfiretrucks.com/trucks/150.jpg)
I think the fire would have burnt itself out by the time you got there :-P... lol... But yea, they are a nice truck.
Those forestry 34's actually get up and boogy pretty good, big engine with an auto gear box. Not a great top speed but the pick up is good.
Quote from: P_F on January 08, 2006, 06:54:06 PM
A new 34 would be cool, but imagine rocking up to a fire in this beast.
Yeah imagine - they handle like a tank, have poor visability and people complain about getting stuff from the lockers on the current appliances!
Imagine trying to negotiate this through a populated area :-o :-o
Although it is good to see purpose built appliances - I have no doubt they will be good in forestry areas - as long as they don't get bogged and can get up steep slippery terrain unlike the original one did when tested in the Adelaide Hills :-D
rumor had it someone forgot about 4WD amoungst a couple of other oops'..... and they weren't allowed to recover it with the RFW!!!!!! hehe
Thanks for your input, Andrew.
Best of luck with your new venture.
Drop us a line and tell us what the weather's like :-)
Can anyone tell me how many hoses you can get on the new 34 model trucks comming out this year? The photos show that there is not much locker space. Can you put stuff in other places? Also whats with the new tools eg: shovels etc?
Quote from: backburn on January 11, 2006, 08:43:52 AM
Can anyone tell me how many hoses you can get on the new 34 model trucks comming out this year? The photos show that there is not much locker space. Can you put stuff in other places? Also whats with the new tools eg: shovels etc?
The snap lock tools i don't like at all the weight of the rake hoes has nearly doubled!! As for locker space and hoses the 34 comes with a standard rural stowage of 64mm filler, 1 64mm x 30m, 2 38mmx30m, 2 25mm lay flat. We've taken out the BA brackets in ours and put in a quick-fill pump, and on the drivers side there is enough room to put chainsaw and equipment, more fuel, ration packs, gas cooker, and still a little space to spare. One locker doesn't have a shelf in it but we had problems with our appliance and for our trouble Moore's was kind enough to donate one. However if you want a shelf i believe Moore's will install one for around the $120.00 mark (I Think).
sent crews to Coomandook.... with no aircon, whould have been a killer for them! Hanging out for the new 34 to get here!
Hay where are the new 34. I saw on the pager site Saturday that Glossop 34 is of the road because of repairs. Sounds like they could do with there new one?
Quote from: backburn on January 11, 2006, 08:43:52 AM
Can anyone tell me how many hoses you can get on the new 34 model trucks comming out this year? The photos show that there is not much locker space. Can you put stuff in other places? Also whats with the new tools eg: shovels etc?
we have added a 64mm hose to our stowage, taken out the supplied layflat and added 5 x 25mm canvas lines.
how big are the hose reels??? doesnt sound liek you will be able to carry much spare hose... especially when you think about it... i mean look at our 24P has 200m of HPlines (2x100m reels), 6x 64mm 30m, 7x 25mm 30m and a 64mm filler... and 24 carries a bit less hose but similar
Medevac, Your 24p might have 2 x 100m hosereels but every other one in the state has 2 x 60m hose reels, the new 34's also have 2 x 60m hose reels.
thats cos its custom, and running lightweight hose on the reels :)
not factory standard...
was just saying when you sit back and look at it, they dont really carry much hose.
Quote from: Mike on January 23, 2006, 10:11:11 AM
sent crews to Coomandook.... with no aircon, whould have been a killer for them! Hanging out for the new 34 to get here!
Don't you have the policy of not using the air conditioning if there are crews on the back?
Particularly on the fireground where it's critical to know what the conditions are for the outside crew.
Also have a sneaking suspicion that having the airconditioning on contributed to the overheating of an appliance at Ngarkat Sunday.
Well if the aircon contributed to the appliance over heating, then the heap of cr@p should be decommissioned as it is a Risk to crew !!!
Hate to tell ya but 21st century here.. If the air con is available, and the officer and driver are unfortunately the only ones that benifit, well.. So be it.. The officer needs to be making life/death decisions... and doesnt need to be swealtering if the need isnt there.. and the Driver needs to be able to drive without reaching for the water bottle every 5 seconds...
:roll:
The cab is a good place to cool down when you get time to have a break. We used this on Black Tuesday to give they guys a break eg have a drink in a nice cool cab
just to clarify....
The personel where getting hot not the engine....
and
The current 34 we have has no aircon what-so-ever unless you count the traditional 2x100 (at a push) version!!!!
No argument about using it when it's there but I've always been taught and it makes perfect sense to me that when fighting a running grass fire or anytime with crews working from the back that the windows should be down so inside crew are aware of the kinds of conditions those on the back are experiencing.
No problems with us - the only vehicle with air con is a dual cab so we all travel together in the cool :-).
again... The driver doesnt need to be choking on smoke when trying to drive tho... There is an intercom on the crew deck right????
Agree to disagree :-)
If the driver is choking on smoke, so are the crew on the back.
And the intercom is difficult, near impossible to use in hairy conditions whilst chasing fires 'round paddocks.
aleays good though when the driver isnt choking on smoke and is fit/able to drive the appliancve into the clear :)
but yeah, hard to tell.. use your eyes. smoke thick/drive out of it...
Air con......whats that? :wink:
Quote from: mengcfs on January 31, 2006, 12:38:58 PM
Air con......whats that? :wink:
Four windows down at 80km/hr with your head out the window. :-)
I understand that due to on going problems with the new 34 appliances that no more will be sent to brigades till the problem(s) are fixed. Has anyone else heard this??
Quote from: rescue5271 on February 19, 2006, 02:24:25 PM
I understand that due to on going problems with the new 34 appliances that no more will be sent to brigades till the problem(s) are fixed. Has anyone else heard this??
Dont know, i know they moved 7 from Moores to NE Isuzu late last week.
Moved posts relation to std 34's to the relevant thread - keeping thing tidy :)
sounds interesting...... brigades havent been told of any delays though...
mmmmmmmmmm,I dont know why not,we are all well aware of the problems and one would hope that other's are also??
Last thing I heard was ours is at moores waiting for Corey to deliver and that was about 4 weeks ago. :?
Just curious as to what the ongoing problems with the new 34's are??? The only problem with ours at the moment is the welds that are on the back near the chassis have cracked a little bit.
Not sure? Our 34 is out of the same batch as yours, we've got a few leaks around some of the joins on the plumbing and a 2 of the hoses on the workdeck have decided to blow off.
Quote from: 24P on February 21, 2006, 09:22:39 PM
Not sure? Our 34 is out of the same batch as yours, we've got a few leaks around some of the joins on the plumbing and a 2 of the hoses on the workdeck have decided to blow off.
Yours would have done heaps more work than ours so thats not too bad.
We had one of the bolts near the impellor come out one day, the second hand siren box in the truck is shagged, and the pump panel vibrated that much that the bolts came out, but other than that it hasn't been too bad.
I hope you guys are all reporting these problems that wat tech services can do something about it...
Where still waiting for ours. I was told it is at Murry Bridge waiting to be delivered. Not sure now when that will be. I hope it will be soon.
Quote from: rescue5271 on February 22, 2006, 07:31:28 AM
I hope you guys are all reporting these problems that wat tech services can do something about it...
All problems reported and fixed except for the weld thing that has only just been discovered.
Interesting thought .......
MFS have on-call staff to fix appliances and a mobile workshop (Noddy) to service Metropolitan Adelaide (I believe Country Command send their appliance to Aelaide when they need to be fixed)
YET
CFS who services 96% of SA with in excess of 400 stations has no such facility.
Maybe CFS needs to look across the boarder to Victoria (mmm...well at least for the idea) and see what they have set up with Regionally based Mobile mechanics and repair/maintenance vehicles - costly to set up, but surely in the long run would be very cost effective and then as problems occur they could be fixed and for reoccuring problems the teams could attend the stations and fix them instead of doing a recall or just waitring for it to happen :-D
The front springs on our 24p are inverted to what they should be, we go over a railway line on the MT Compass road at 40kph and it feels like the wheels and suspension are going to come throught the cab, it is a major OH&S issue yet CFS won't fork out the few grand to fix each appliance with this problem.
Just wondering if any other brigade is having this issue with the First batch of dual cab 24p's (2000 model i think)???
You want a list as long as the great wall of china :P ...
the inverted springs are an issue on almost all of the isuzu's i believe. The last roll out of SES vehicles all had the problem.... it was questioned, and they were told it was 'normal'.....
great isnt it... normal, but not necisarily good! :roll:
Normal my a#@^ i've had this argument with our group officer, i've never ever seen those sorts of springs that are "meant" to run that way. And the fact that we hit a bump one day that we didn't see coming and i swear to god i'm now 2 inches shorter and missing a vertebrae. :wink:
The new 34's have the springs the right way (Just), but for how long it will be intersting to see
most certainly not disagreeing with that.... its not right and it should be fixed.... maybe we should start thinking about near miss forms whenever we hit a bump.
Problem with that is they will blame the driving style not the vehicle.... (maybe true sometimes... but)
We were told off record that the trucks are only designed to go around a forest on tracks at 20 kph not screaming down victor harbour rd at 120kph so what do we expect.
Our 34 handles ok off road but our 24p handles around corners like a lowered car because it has no sespension but hit A bump and its like bunny hopping sometimes. the springs are that bad that there are marks on the springs from the chassis stops which are only 4cm from the springs and thats from taking it easy.
But we were told that even near miss forms aren't likely to get the CFS to fix the problem it's up to our group to fix the problem, and our group doesn't have the funds to do that.
CFS has an obligation and duty of care to investigate all issues raised by Accident / Near Miss forms.
With this in mind maybe the right approach is to start filling them in.
Time consuming yes, but if they are more than just an isolated issue, it can't be ignored.
This was the way a batch of 24's had their road lugger tryes replaced (that were US both on and off road) in the mid nineties - took time but it did happen and ultimately CFS had no option but to address the issue
Does anyone know if the CFS are trialling roller shutters on the lockers of the new 34's? There are a few sitting at NE Isuzu but 1 one of them has these instead of the normal lockers.
Have just been told that 11 of the 13 new 34 made have been taken back to NE Isuzu, for problems to be fixed. OHS&W issues I have been told but not what? can anyone tell me what?
Front drivers seat breaking, the side mirrors when tightened up fully move when driving we had a new set of mirrors sent down and they are worse than the original ones. Our siren (which is second hand) doesn't work properly but thats a Moore's issue. And our's just went back to Moore's last week because the welds holding the rear of the appliance to the chassis had cracked.
Why is there so many problems with these when the old ones work fine. Heard that CFA built trucks dont have problems, know of one brigade that is getting a CFA built 34.
The new CFA 34 are 3700 of water and they are not bad to drive has a crew spray system all over the cab rather than a single spray head,I did hear a price of $350,000 but have been unable to get someone to say just how much. Nice looking truck and goes well off road will try and get some photos next time I am in CFA land.
I have concerns about the physical height of the new 34's.
I question why the body has been raised so much when the diffs and transfer case sit at the same height as the old 24P's, and I doubt weather most people could actually reach something that had moved to the back of the top shelf in any of the lockers.
We have a FF that has to stand on tippy toe to reach the door handles!
Has overall usability been sacrificed for a marginally better entry and exit angle?
Thoughts?
the other day, at the RCR challenge, i was having a look at glossops 34. I'm about 5'8", and i was surprised at the height of this. There are probably things on the truck i would struggle to reach.
Ha 6'3" no probs :-P
I don't think they've been raised just for CFS when at NE Isuzu i noticed all 750model trucks were higher than they used to be maybe isuzu changed the plans for some reason.
I think the turbo on top of the motor is why they had to raise the height of the cab, but yes they are quite high.
About 7 years ago the union and paid staff at a CFA fire station would not drive the brigade's new tanker due to its height and as a result the appliances was removed to a fully Volunteer station and they love it and still have it... Mind you I don't know why the 34/34 are so filtered high is it to see what is going on over the hill?????? I know it's because of the GRN radio's that don't work on slops and gullys and forest's.
Quote from: rescue5271 on April 11, 2006, 06:00:04 PM... Mind you I don't know why the 34/34 are so filtered high is it to see what is going on over the hill??????I know it's because of the GRN radio's that don't work on slops and gullys and forest's...
Nah, I thought it was so that you could drive over the forest tree stumps....Do you need a working from heights certificate to climb into the cab?...or does the dizziness go after you adjust to the altitude :wink:
Saw one at Virginia CFS & cannot understand how you reach the cabinets. If i remember correctly though, same problem with South Coast SES RCR truck.
GRN works alright in simplex mode for person to truck. See what the new system will give us when the contract is re-done.
I know this is fully unrelated to the thread but i was reading The South Eastern Times today and saw an article about Argyle being issued with a Dual Cab 34 appliance
Even though it isnt official yet but also in that same article it said that Kalangadoo is getting a refurbished 34 Appliance in the coming months as well as Coonawarra being issued with a 34 Dual Cab as well
Can anyone shed some light on this as from what i can recall being told during a brigade meeting last year where our GO & DGO were in attendance that our brigade wasnt earmarked for a refurbished appliance until our current 34 reached 20 years of age :?
At the moment Robert out of the 15 or so 34 dual cabs made this year only about 6or7 went to brigades who truly needed a new truck the others went to brigades with the more recent Hino 34 single cabs, these single cabs are then meant to be dealt out to the less busy brigades like yourself i suppose!!!!
What i don't get though is some of these brigades that got the new ones do only 10-12 calls a year :? but thats the CFS i suppose!!!
The types of newer 34's being replaced can be seen on the Karoonda station on the promo site... :-)
I agree mundcfs but the reason Argyle got a dual cab is that they attend %100 percent of all the accidents which happen on the princess highway outside of Millicent as same with Coonawarra who attend every accident that happens on Riddoch Highway
When you look at it these 34 dual cabs are really meant only for brigades who attend RCR's and structual because of their design/layout where as with the single cabs that have a place for crew to sit down on the back are best suited for rural fires
But hey this is just my opinion :-)
Trust me robert if you have 2 ba sets on the new 34's there isn't much more room on them!!!
Another thing i heard is the dual cabs are going to brigades that have a large amount of driving distance to jobs so they get the dual cabs for crew comfort!!!
But robert you never know your local paper may know more than your group, a refurb appliance maybe sitting in your shed within the next few months. :-)
Robert have you talked to mike about it?? The other reason that those brigade got the new 34 was because of the high risk in their area and that they both back up a busy urban brigade(penola and millicent).
Thats correct rescue5271 its because Millicent have the big responsiblity of responding to callouts at KCA therefore Argyle had a dual cab becasue they are a backup unti to Millicent as same with Penola who have to look after the wineries & Safires
Am wondering who could make a 2 x SAFB to 6" adaptor. As they come with the same pump as 24P, we could then make an unofficial 34P ;) :roll:
I like the truck, but the height is stupid. Enough said.......
How many of these appliances have gone back for repair since coming on line????? sure they have a big pump but still a rural appliances.......
Discovered the bolts holding the tank down have a severe lack of tightness to them.... like they may as well not be there!..... sending it back today....
could do with some extra work/locker lights aswell.
Mike this has been going on for a while so much so that at the last KI fire crew where filling tank up and the whole tank just went up in the air.......
has anyone got one of the new 34 where the reels are on top of the tray??? if so have a look at the exhaust under the tray and check the spare tyre and see if its been burnt from the heat from the exhaust.. I had a look at one to do that was in a workshop under going repair and nice heat marks and hole in tyre from where the exhaust sits too close to the spare.....Also check that you have jack and handle to do a tyre change as they where missing also....
No problem there blinky, but they forgot to put heat sheilding on the wires for the auto hose reel rewind and they got burnt off pretty easily (accidents happen :oops:) but the exhaust at the rear where it comes up from under the tray has come off a couple times and ended up having to be rewelded twice.
they just got burnt off....?
Had a look at ours and it looks a bit close but fine, We have had a range of things happining 20 problems been reported so far. :|
Quote from: medevac on June 16, 2006, 06:30:43 AM
they just got burnt off....?
We were chasing a grassie and the wind changed sweeping the fire under the truck (yes i know should have been on the burnt stuff but that wasn't possible)it only did a little damage to the wires but enough to warrant new wires.
:|
the photo that I have taken (not for show) shows clearly that the exhaust has burnt the wheel and not from any fire on the run or on the ground. It looks as if there are a number of problems with the new 34's and I would encouarge that if you find any report it and get the region or moore's to pay for the repairs it should noy come out of your group or brigade budget...
I've heard there's a problem with the brake lines seizing if you work too close to the fire? The lines are exposed and if they get too hot the hand brake comes on and won't come off again? :?
those lines are ment to be in fireproff casing?????
has anyone noticed when the new 34s are started the radio ALWAYS comes on??
we have a number of time been trying to transmit a message(mobile most of the time) and had to stop the message to turn the radio off.
anyone had this trouble? short of pulling the fuse not sure if there is anything we can do with it.
We disconnected the speakers because of this and feedback we were getting....Down side is no radio on the long hauls
report it and get it fixed;;;
hmm... problysomething to do withisolating the batteries i would geuss mate, would reset the system when you de-isolated it... but you probly knew that.
Never had the stereo turn itself on though... just lots of static noise over all the radios (still working on that one).
Isn't there a 'quality control' system in place that ensures all trucks are fully checked and tested before they are delivered to the brigades?
One would think that problems like radio static when you turn the truck on, would be fairly obvious to spot...
Seems like there has been one big filtered up for new trucks
yeah, not wrong...
No there is a OHSW inspection only not sure what moores do but cfa/skilled do a full run down,check pump,hoses,all that stuff before it leaves the workshop...With all the on going problems is it time to go to a real fire truck company?????
Does such a place exist in Australia?
Where are the MFS Scania's made?
Yes in Ballarat Victoria called skilled engineering....
MFS Scanias bodies from the latest batch were built by Liquip in Queensland, previous to that Fraser and Lowes (when they existed) in NZ
i think we should just look on ebay or the internat and buy what we want nice large pumper from the state's..... :roll:
We had the BA cylander put in under the back seat the other day and we have found that when we get in we kick it and turn it on by mistake. Does this happen to any other new 34 around? :?
Quote from: backburn on July 02, 2006, 02:34:34 PM
We had the BA cylander put in under the back seat the other day and we have found that when we get in we kick it and turn it on by mistake. Does this happen to any other new 34 around? :?
Why did you have a BA cylinder put under the seat?
Ye,why did you put the cylinder under the seat???
is there another echo...
crank the post count up... so close to the 1000 mark.
just got this from a reasonably reliable source :wink:
"There is a BA cylinder bracket for a BA cylinder, for a system that was going to be installed in all the new 34's, which enables BA masks to be hooked up inside the cab, and provide a short amount of breathing air for each crew member in a burn over situation... EG – 5 masks, all hooked in to the one cylinder... bout 6 mins each of air... Plenty for a burn over before you can get out."
sounds good, but oxygen would be better than compressed air. You can change the rate (maybe) and oxygen does have a calming effect.
What, no BA seats!? :-o :oops:
Quote from: ath on July 02, 2006, 05:19:58 PM
sounds good, but oxygen would be better than compressed air. You can change the rate (maybe) and oxygen does have a calming effect.
just about flooding the cab with cool air i think, plus it might create a bit of positive pressure to keep moke out a lil bit
Quote from: P F on July 02, 2006, 05:35:18 PM
What, no BA seats!? :-o :oops:
Ah but proper (EG: Not a crap bench seat like the DENNIS) BA seats will usually cut the max crew from 6 -> 5. Awesome seats though.
Scania's have bench seats also, maybe thats the way BA Seats are, I got no idea. 5 Crew is really enough, dont needto have 6. BA seats in all appliances wouldnt be a bad idea, it is a lot easier and more productive to put the set on and get out with it on.
Not to mention the amount of space it will free up on the appliance.
The BA system for the cabin of the new 34 appliances consists of 6 'bag' style masks. they are plumbed into a cylinder that lives under the back seat as already mentioned. the newer versions have a shroud around the valve to prevent it from being kicked.
The quick version of how it works:
turn cylinder on, stick 'bag' over head, when situation has passed remove 'bag' from head, turn off cylinder, clean 'bag' using alco-wipes (iso-propanol/medi wipes etc). store in mask holder that hangs on the bar in the middle of the cab.
Must look at ours tonight i don't think ours has got it because we've got stuff stored under our seat????
ours is still to be fitted, but the cylinder frame is already under the seat.....
It was only a week ago ours was put in. They also found out that the bracket was not bolted down either. We have six hoods and each get supplied about 10 mins of air. If you have a heavy breather they get limmited air it does not cut in to your air supply. Well thats the information given to us by the person putting it in. Sounds like we need a shroud on ours.
So does this mean only CABA members can wear / use it?????
Quote from: rescue5271 on July 03, 2006, 06:44:23 PM
So does this mean only CABA members can wear / use it?????
me detects sarcasm....
Yep definitly no bracket or anything under our seat must have to be completely installed????
Wow, now they even give us 'exit bags' on the appliance!
Backburn... does your appliance have a HALO system on it?
Im thinking it might only be that build or later rather than all that are getting the 'fresh air system' (or whatever its going to be dubded).....
All speculation though!
TIC - Does that mean there will be a flight attendant in your truck "Ladies and gentleman incase of emergency masks will drop from the roof......." :lol: :lol: :wink:
Quote from: Mike on July 04, 2006, 06:56:41 AM
Backburn... does your appliance have a HALO system on it?
Im thinking it might only be that build or later rather than all that are getting the 'fresh air system' (or whatever its going to be dubded).....
All speculation though!
HALON mike. I don't think a High Altitude Low Opening parachute systems gonna be much good in a burn over! :wink: :-D
by HALON, im assuming you are referring to the gas that gets released sucking all oxygen out of the air. Not sure how well they would work in trucks. eh
No.... Not at all.... Definately ment HALO!
The 'Halo' system is a part of the overall crew protection systems on the new 34's. It allows water to be sprayed over the cabin in the event of a flash over. The pump must be running, but it doesnt matter at what pressure as the 'Halo' system is reduced to 80kpa. The valve to operate the system is located just inside the drivers door, and is redily accessable.
Personally we have found that it works a bit better if the pump is working a bit.... ~750Kpa rather than idle.
HALON: Im not sure trying to suffocate the occupants of the cab would be overly useful do you? :roll:
hahaha fair cop.
I thought you referred to using HALON with those central breathing masks.
but whatever, carry on!
Yes Mike our truck does have the HALO system on it. Also anyone on the truck can put the hoods on as they are not like the CABA masks. The system maintains your air supply if you have a heavy breather they use all there air not yours. ( well thats what we have been told )
I believe only the first five 34's of last years build came without the Halo system :cry: as we got one of those i guess i better not hold my breath for the air system as well!!! To get the halo put on to an appliance is around the $2500.00 mark i believe....
Just take a caba into the cab and share that,but only for use by those that have CABA...(joke) :roll:
we recently applied to get crew protection sprays put on the cab of our 24P and were knocked back saying that they werent standard... :roll:
anyway... when we say protection spray, we mean sprays that spray a curtain a small distance from the cab to create a barrier... we have then been told the new system actually just trickles water, so that the cab is kept wet???? now i just want some clarification... is it a spray that creates a barrier or a trickle over the cab/glass...
just wondering, cos the trickle would cause more problems than it solves when it causes all the glass to crack/shatter...
cheers, and i am refering to recently built appliances
The Sprays are directed onto the cabin....
The 'Fresh air system' is very prominantly labeled EMERGENCY AIR SYSTEM.
Surely we can come up with a catchier name than that! sounds to simple to be in the CFS! ;)
Quote from: Mike on July 05, 2006, 07:29:22 AM
The Sprays are directed onto the cabin....
so they spray directly onto the cabin roof and run down the sides? or make a 'curtain around the cabin?
Quote
The 'Fresh air system' is very prominantly labeled EMERGENCY AIR SYSTEM.
Surely we can come up with a catchier name than that! sounds to simple to be in the CFS! ;)
ATTMSYAIAB - air thing that might save your donkey in a burnover
Quotethey spray directly onto the cabin roof and run down the sides?
yes...
QuoteATTMSYAIAB - air thing that might save your filtered in a burnover
I like it, but it needs to be something everyone can pronounce easily (even if they dont understand it!)
:-D
that "protection" system sounds like rubbish then... if you heat glassup and then get water on it its gonna crack.... not good.
Providing the system is activated prior to flame impact or significant heating the trickling water will keep the glass cool and prevent it failing.
Just in this afternoon...
1908966 12:17:07 05-07-06 For info: Mclaren Flat 3-4 & Kang. 3-4 off line till further notice, Clarendon 1-4 C.Q. to Mc Flat & Parks 2-4 CQ to Kang. Will notify of any developments reg. GO
Is there a problem with the 34??? We are in the same group and also have a new 34, so are we next?
Have seen with a slight wind the sprayed water will miss the glass it blows with the wind, when that stops it goes back on the windows. :|
So... why do we need a supplementary air system in the ENCLOSED cab of the new 34? Would the money not be better spent retrofitting such a system to those appliances with an open crew deck?
MMMMMMMMMMMMM,If this is going to be the new sysyetm then we better all learn how to use it,now what happend to making appliances more uniform across the service??? I can tell you the new spray system on CFA new tankers is great have seen it used in training and it rocks.
well i guess the brigade would cover that with there induction... but yer, would buggerise it up a bit if the truck was with a 'spare' crew at a jobbie...
thats why we only like to take our standard 24 urban/rural on striketeams far far away...
ok
Making appliances uniform is one thing, but change has to happen eventually, otherwise progression will stall.
State should at the very least make everyone aware that such a system is being introduced.
As for why to intall the emergency air system.... well, could be because he cabs are still made of plastic amongst other things....??
A couple of our firies called in to Moores the other day and noticed a large amount of Hino Cab/Chassis sitting in the yard for the next batch of 34's. They had a look through them and said they are a little more cramped than the Isuzu's and had a lot more plastic on them (If thats possible). What are people's opinion of Hino/Isuzu's.
They are a truck chassis ?
:mrgreen:
Yeah Yeah smart arse, :lol: do people have a preference or are happy with "you get what your given".
Are the steps going to be better than last years model? have heared there has been a few injury's on the new ones.
Do you know what Model the chassis are? I'd like to get an idea of what they will look like... (hopefully much smaller than the current 34's :-o )
F3 FTR or FTR900 is one of the Isuzu dual cab chassis, commonly associated with the pumpers they have supplied Chassis for.
I think the 34 is on an FTS750 Crew Cab...
CC
I meant the Hino's... do you know what model they are?
I know they are a Hino FT .. Weather or not there is any other model name/number I am unsure.
All i got back from our guys was that they are smaller than the Isuzu's by how much i don't know. And ther CFS are still sticking with the Turbo engines (Thank God)
Bordertown got their new 34 yesterday.. lucky them
drove past belair 34p the other day. jesus that thing sits high up. Felt i could pretty much drive my elantra underneath it!
yea it was prob going to the royal show.
has anyone who has one of these 34's in their brigade had problems with getting them up some driveways as they are so big.
Mt Compass fire earlier in the year we had to lop down a tree to get in the gate, but would have been close for the older Hino's anyway.
On a side note this may have been found before but the crew protection awning for the rear deck when locked in the closed position is a serious catch hazard on branches we got ours caught on a small branch at a job and it bent and buckled the frame??? Unlike the 2000 model 24P's it isn't in built in to the frame and poses a serious risk as the awning sits as high as the beacons.
A possible fix for this would be to install a plate in front of the awning so that any branches just roll over the top of it instead of catching.
This has been mentioned to CFS HQ and Moore's if anything is done about it, i doubt it. :|
was talking to someone the other week,they said that with the new 34 (reel above tray)that with in 18 months all the springs/suspension will have to be replaced due to the weight.Also that crew have had no training with the in cab CABA set that is to be used in case of a burn over....
the pumps are the same on the 34's and 34P's right? cos i heard someone say that a few nights back
Same motors, the first few 34's came out with a 1000lpm pump which is what we got and is has got really got pressure but the remaining of the run got the 2000lpm pumps.
so that really means that the 'P' on the end of the 34, only stands for more storage space, more outlets and urban equipment?
34P- 2 in, 2 out and large hard suction inlet
34- 2 in (one is a dedicated fill inlet with one way valve for hydrants) and 2 out.
So you can't really boost from the 34's because the inlet for the hydrant bypasses the pump and goes directly in to the tank.
If you can understand that. :-P
Quote from: E on September 03, 2006, 02:47:09 PM
so that really means that the 'P' on the end of the 34, only stands for more storage space, more outlets and urban equipment?
More stowage space? GOD NO. I dont see how any brigade you possible stow a Urban/Anything else on a 34P.
Mind you, it would be really great to hane the four inch conection on the side on the appliance, so you dont have to reverse into the booster cabinet and block the road.
You wont get the same flow through the 34's anyway. The 'P' type appliances have 2 x 64mm outlets.... and associated inlets of course.
The standard 34s have a 6" Stortz to 1 x 64mm Inlet adaptor, so you could get a 6" stortz to 2 x 64mm Inlet adaptor.
However, the outlets are restricted as the size of the pipe from the outlet mainifold to the coupling is 38mm.
Hope that makes sense....
Has everyone seen the hazard notice issued due to getting the 34's too close to heat.....melts the brake line and your stuck solid. :wink:
I think Hindmarsh Valley suffered that recently at a scrub fire at Pt Elliot
On another note Isuzu is much better than the Hino's but its cheaper for CFS...however the Type 2's will remain on the Isuzu FTR900 Chassis :-D
It was actually Port elliot 34 that had the brake issues in their early 90's Hino, i don't know if it was from being too close to heat. Shouldn't be an issue in the new trucks as all are meant to have the heat sheilding on all the fuel, brake, and electrical lines.
Yes ment to have but a few have not???? and have been sent back.
Just went past Hino at Regency Park and saw a couple of new trucks sitting in the yard with CFS logos stuck in the windscreen. Looks like the next batch of new trucks will definately be Hino.
Anyone driving past on South road will see them, they are in the southern end of the yard.
going down to do a week of work at CMV next week, is Hino near there?
Why cant CFS have just 1 truck supplier, Hinor or Isuzu.
Quote from: P F on September 13, 2006, 03:57:19 PM
going down to do a week of work at CMV next week, is Hino near there?
Why cant CFS have just 1 truck supplier, Hinor or Isuzu.
Because its the CFS! Just look at how many different manufacturers are in the service currently!
Mazda, Ford, Hino, Isuzu, Toyota (QAV and group cars), Holden group cars, Mitsubishi. Any ones I forgot?
Quote from: P F on September 13, 2006, 04:13:27 PM
Mazda, Ford, Hino, Isuzu, Toyota (QAV and group cars), Holden group cars, Mitsubishi. Any ones I forgot?
Scania (no, I'm not joking)
subaru.....
thats right theres a scania tanker.
Forgot Volvo, sorry burnside.
RFW and Landrover are 2 more.
I can see the benefit of standardising on a single manufacturer (it works well for the army with Landrover, but that's cos they keep tons of spares and build up maintenance expertise) but in general it's a bad thing to do that. (The army also have the dollars to make Landrover keep fitting the same isuzu diesel motor to them for years/decades after Landrover moved on commercially.)
That single manufacturer you've chosen gets complacent and you are "locked in" to them cos anything else is then "non standard". It's good to keep the manufacturers competing against each other for the sales.
Also different groups have different ideas of the way to do things and I don't see why they should all be forced to be the same. Eg. subaru forester command cars suit Sturt group (and would probably suit Lofty, Para and others) but would be useless for many other groups where landcruiser is king.
how about for an example have Hino trucks and toyota cars. the trucks for fire fighting and cars for group. Toyota have landcrusiers for rural places and car's for urban groups.\
This is just an example as there are many car companies that can do this.
so say you choose toyota then, with several different models of toyotas as you suggest. What's the benefit for the CFS in doing this?
they can create a partnership with "toyota" as dealers to the CFS and toyota can try and benefit from working with CFS.
Trucks should be the same but i can understand why cars are different, because they are from fleet SA and they get swapped over so often and it depends on what is the best deal fleet SA get that year.
Quote from: P F on September 14, 2006, 01:49:45 PM
they can create a partnership with "toyota" as dealers to the CFS and toyota can try and benefit from working with CFS.
yeah I meant what practical benefits? (not a "mission statement" :-))
So did anyone read this mornings paper about Mclaren Flat's and Kangarilla 34's being off road due to being undrivable???
Does anyone have any futher info??
This years 34's are a filtered to drive on bumpy roads and what not but you soon get used to it??
Quote from: MundCFS on September 09, 2006, 02:44:00 PM
It was actually Port elliot 34 that had the brake issues in their early 90's Hino, i don't know if it was from being too close to heat. Shouldn't be an issue in the new trucks as all are meant to have the heat sheilding on all the fuel, brake, and electrical lines.
Obviously you havent seen the hazard alert which HQ put out in relation to the 34's regarding brake failures on the fireground :wink:
I made that post before the alert was issued :wink:
Did you all watch Channel Seven News :?
A yard full of the new Hino's and defect notices on some of them at the back of Moore's for guess what being overweight :-o
They also mentioned Kangarilla and McLaren Flat are unroadworthy,and refuse to drive them....they havent been in service long either
No wonder we cant get any more gear on the appliance because thay gave us a overweight one to start with :-P
So what is going to happen to the other appliances that came out of that run of 11??? is anyone going to check them or is it going to be a brigade/group problem??? And what about the on going rust problem?????
I would not sprout off re the seven report -
Defect notices on the hino winscreen - they are delivery dockets with the Vin number - not defect notices. The appliance are waiting to be built upon. I believe the current build is also up to date to the tender requirements.
The trucks were not delivered over weight - if they are over weight it is a result of additional equipment fitted after delivery. The appliances delivered to cfs, met the weight spec as written by CFS.
Only 2 trucks of the 9 delivered in that batch have had reported problems in the handling, to my knowledge.
Fire fighters have had enough to do with the media to know that a distorted picture of reality is portrayed, realitly and truth is a casulty.
To my knowledge no police issued defects have been placed on any recent manufactured 34 Appliances.
The CFS is a dynamic and diverse organization with many a varying oppinion. Some time the loudest voice is heard, is not the oppinion representing the mass.
I hope the truth come out at the end of the day and a local company does not become a casualty of miss-information. It is a long way interstate to get little or no response from a manufacturer, that has no local roots.
I am an ex employee of Moore Engineering and did the paperwork on the appliances (tendering and completion)and to my knowledge the comply in every way to the requirements of the specification.
Andrew
Well spent 8 hours at Moore's yesterday (only meant to be 3 :roll:) getting a few things on our 34 fixed and saw a new completed 34 badged up and nearly ready to go. Unfortunately on CFS order we weren't allowed anywhere near it or the workshop. But here's a bit of info i spied.
The new trucks look a lot smaller they are now not allowed to be more than 3 metres tall and they do look tiny compared to last years.
The pump setup is the same as last model.
The led hazards have now been move into the bull bar.
The crew awning is now only as big as the cab instead of the massive over hang of previous models.
To keep the height under 3m they now run LED light bars on the roof (at $3,500 per set) and apparently at night they look like a mobile Christmas tree :lol:.
Roll up shutters on both side lockers.
But just from looking they look a much improved appliance and would rival the old hino 24/34's for height.
I wonder who is the lucky recipient of that? Not my brigade.
I could tell you but then i'd have to kill you!!! :lol:
I don't think i'll add to the rubbish thats been going on by mentioning names but i don't think they will get it soon as it still has to go through it OH&S audit and trials so probably a while away yet.
Plus i believe the 3 metre height rule is they find it cheaper to modify or keep trucks under that height then modify their station to make them fit.
Thats how Hahndorf got their Type 2 by default because a 34 wouldnt fit :-D
Quote from: Mundcfs on December 15, 2006, 07:52:48 AM
Well spent 8 hours at Moore's yesterday (only meant to be 3 :roll:) getting a few things on our 34 fixed and saw a new completed 34 badged up and nearly ready to go. Unfortunately on CFS order we weren't allowed anywhere near it or the workshop. But here's a bit of info i spied.
The new trucks look a lot smaller they are now not allowed to be more than 3 metres tall and they do look tiny compared to last years.
The pump setup is the same as last model.
The led hazards have now been move into the bull bar.
The crew awning is now only as big as the cab instead of the massive over hang of previous models.
To keep the height under 3m they now run LED light bars on the roof (at $3,500 per set) and apparently at night they look like a mobile Christmas tree :lol:.
Roll up shutters on both side lockers.
But just from looking they look a much improved appliance and would rival the old hino 24/34's for height.
How about length wise?
I know there is alot of stations down here due for new trucks but they wouldnt fit in the current stations 1) height (which may now not be a problem but also 2) Length!
Camo
Cam,stations will have to be replaced or add on a section so as it fit's in....
yeah well that was a pretty obvious answer :wink:
Quote from: SA Firey on December 15, 2006, 02:37:26 PM
Thats how Hahndorf got their Type 2 by default because a 34 wouldnt fit :-D
Oh well if a new 34 fits then take the type 2 and put it somewhere else :evil:
Quote from: Camo on December 15, 2006, 02:48:05 PM
How about length wise?
I know there is alot of stations down here due for new trucks but they wouldnt fit in the current stations 1) height (which may now not be a problem but also 2) Length!
Camo
Never thought length would be an issue :roll: :lol:
Has anyone out there put or seen a fridge in a dual cab 34? We want to mount a fridge in ours but as there is limited storage already, it's proving to be had task finding where to ut one.
I always thought the area immediately aft of the OS rear entry gate would be a good spot for a drinks fridge. Some contention though as I think this spot is designed for rear deck ff to stand when mopping grassies etc (for those that use that technique :wink:)
I have seen around the place were crews have removed gear from lockers and put in a fridge looks ok but I am unsure where that gear went. Meningie have a very good set up.....
How would the ventilation go if you put a fridge in a locker?
We have a fridge in a locker,... never been a problem.
Not much room on the New 34's for a fridge,weve been trying to figure out a place to put it.
Cant go on crewdeck as it would interfere with the burnover protection hood,and make it a bit cramped for crews
One idea someone came up with was move foam drum out of back drivers side locker, put foam drum where cones are and move cones up top somewhere
most lockers have a air vent if not why not put one in.....
And the winner of the first 34 Hino is...................drum roll...McLaren Vale
Go to Ozfire and check it out at http://www.ozfire.org/viewtopic.php?t=2194
I wounder why they got it?????
Quote from: SA Firey on December 17, 2006, 09:56:55 PM
And the winner of the first 34 Hino is...................drum roll...McLaren Vale
Go to Ozfire and check it out at http://www.ozfire.org/viewtopic.php?t=2194
I wasn't going to tell but yeah that was the badged one!!! But anyone from Mclaren Vale iw ouldn't expect it for a while yet as it hasn't gone through trials and OH&S yet.
I believe that McLaren Vale are getting there new truck on 20/12. They were told it was gonin to arrive about 3 weeks ago.
G'day All,
Just looking at that new 34 on the promotions site.
It looks almost like an rfs tanker or something? I also noticed that it looks like it has an overhead spraybar on the roof for burnover?
Any ideas why they are changing to a different batch already??
The "Halo" around the cab is for burnover, the roll up shutters are a design enhancement so lockers don't swing out and hit people i guess. The modifications are just about bettering the trucks evry batch!!!!
I wounder what testing they did with those burnover spary bars if at all?????
Quote from: Broadside on December 18, 2006, 10:04:16 AM
I believe that McLaren Vale are getting there new truck on 20/12. They were told it was gonin to arrive about 3 weeks ago.
As Steve_McL reported they have received the new appliance, and has already done its first job,and the lads at McLaren Vale are over the moon :-D
McVale 34 had 2 jobs yesterday on jarred road, Seaford Meadows.
Appeared to perform quite well, although it may have gone home with some battle scars after the first job,
we managed to half rip the red beacon and ladder rack from the top of our 24...
*Pixie*
Yep, we're still very happy with our new 34. we've had a few teething problems, as you would expect, but overall a great truck! It's been to all the recent big ones, mt bold, willunga hill etc and has done quite well. I'ts just like a big, white 4X4 limo :-D very nice to travel in. The cab feels bigger than the 24P and seats 4 on the back seat no worries.
The sirens are even better than we first thought, programmable to change tones at the touch of a button when entering an intersection, then automatically back again after about 30 seconds.
The cab layout for the officers is fantastic with radio controls at your finger tips, and the cup holders make a great place for the GRN & VHF portables.
My rating so far...
8/10
(2 points taken off due to the minor but fustrating theething problems that keep popping up)
PS...
Thanks to the Mawson & Kyeema group brigades for your hard work over the past month!
(these are my personal views and does not reflect on the McLaren Vale / Kyeema Group / SACFS)
Quote from: Steve_McLV on January 20, 2007, 08:41:18 PM
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The sirens are even better than we first thought, programmable to change tones at the touch of a button when entering an intersection, then automatically back again after about 30 seconds.
We have one of the new sirens in our 34, how do you go about programming it to change tones like that??? Is it easily done using the siren control or do you need to fiddle with the box??
What are the teething problems Steve?
Quote from: Mundcfs on January 20, 2007, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: Steve_McLV on January 20, 2007, 08:41:18 PM
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The sirens are even better than we first thought, programmable to change tones at the touch of a button when entering an intersection, then automatically back again after about 30 seconds.
We have one of the new sirens in our 34, how do you go about programming it to change tones like that??? Is it easily done using the siren control or do you need to fiddle with the box??
To operate the tones on approach to an intersection hit the Manual button once this reverts to Yelp and back to Wail after 7 seconds
For a full copy of the manual go to http://www.code3pse.com/pdf/install_guides/3992_Series_Microcom-2_Siren_T11048_rev_5.pdf
Hope that helps Al :wink:
Ahhh always thought the manual button just gives out that short or long wail cheers jeff :-D
Quote from: 5271rescue on January 03, 2007, 04:50:31 AM
I wounder what testing they did with those burnover spary bars if at all?????
RFS and CFA have funded CSIRO to research & design appliance protection systems. Project has been running 3 or 4 years now. Lots of simulations then actually burnt a few old appliances to prove simulations. Official results due soon if not already. No surprises - summary has been out for a year or two.
Need to cover all glass with water.
Any other sufaces coated are a bonus.
Water sprayed in the air is wasted.
Ring main around the roof is only way to get the spray nozzles up close enough to the glass that they are to protect.
the one thing i wonder about is these new system ability to cover the entire glass areas with water before they get hot.... hopefully there is plenty of warning, other wise once that water touched the glass and its already cooking hot... then CRACK.
:?
MUNDCFS..
If you are operating Yelp, and press manual, you will activate HYPER-YELP.. 9a very rapid, high pitched tone - primarily used for clearing traffic / gathering ones attention..).. LIke wise if you are using Hi-Lo and press manual you will activate HYPER-LOW.. Much like HYPER-YELP, however a lower pitched tone..
Have a play, they aren't too bad.. ;)
anyone know where the other 14 or so new 34's are going?
How many are getting built exactly?
Quote from: Camo on January 23, 2007, 03:22:48 PM
anyone know where the other 14 or so new 34's are going?
How many are getting built exactly?
Total of 25 being built one auto.Allocation unknown...well Mclaren Vale got the first one :wink:
I have been told that sellicks are getting one (due about march). I have found out that they received there current 34 in February 89 which makes it the oldest one in kyeema group.
seen a page last night for inman valley? getting a new 34 i think it said.
I would say that Inman Valley would be getting a refurb as they are pretty quiet but i could be wrong???
well they do need something newer than what they have.
Quote from: bittenyakka on January 26, 2007, 11:21:52 AM
well they do need something newer than what they have.
Thay just got a new fire station with a hydrant out the front TOO :-o
McLaren Flat and Kangarilla have been told that their 34's (the ones that have been in the news) will be replaced with a new one.
McLaren Flat is due to see theirs around March and Kangarilla around June/July, the other ones will be moved off to brigades with much flatter terrain around them.
Sorry but thats Bollocks, we don't like this one so heres a new one, i think that is rubbish.
So what of all the others out there that have that 34 if they kick up a stink will they get a new one ??
Perhaps those 2 34's should have been passed around brigades with that type of 34 and test driven by the members to see if there actually is if they noticed anything different about them they may not be experts but if they had such big handling issues that seemed to disappear when the trucks went in to be looked at surely there would be a difference??? Just an idea??
What I heard from the people over there was one of the issues is their suitability in steep terrain, apparently the clincher was at a fire in Clarendon when one of them was driving up a moderate hill, the front wheels started to become airborne for no apparent reason - apparently was witnessed by a few people and everyone was just going F%#K.
Needless to say the paperwork from that incident probably helped the issue a bit. I believe they are being moved out to flatter areas now, not sure what CFS do about the trucks that are still out there though. I would have thought brigades like Summertown would now have a good reason to ask for a new truck.
Also I hear that Inman Valley will get their new 34 Monday night (tomorrow), a new station and now a new rig - better get the application forms out for those wanting to transfer.
Well I have worked with Summertown even did BFF1 on it and they seemed very happy with it.
the issue was with the first few and to do with where the tank was over the diff moores have had a few back to move things a bit to try and avoided the problem
Has anyone got any photos of the new 34s? Particularly of the locker layout and pump panel etc?
Pump layout and panel layout are the same as last years.
Quote from: Crankster 34 on January 28, 2007, 07:39:24 AM
Well I have worked with Summertown even did BFF1 on it and they seemed very happy with it.
I have driven Summertown, and Norton Summit, and Brukunga - all drive fine, just different to the old Hino's like in my Brigade. all go up the steep stuff just the same. and come down just as well
MrT
We have the same type as Summertown and have found it very light in the steering and you bounce around on the driver seat. Have had one driver hit his head on the roof while driving hard enough that he got a headache
^^Don't you have the one with the reels above the tray??? yes they are like that i often hit my head but i'm not the smallest of people either.
Worked out that new siren just the flick of a switch on the box and got all the HyperYelp etc going! very cool! :-D
shouldnt the drvier be wearing a seatbelt? surely he wouldnt smak his head then....
just jokes
Quote from: medevac on January 29, 2007, 07:24:57 PM
shouldnt the drvier be wearing a seatbelt? surely he wouldnt smak his head then....
just jokes
Maybe a joke, but you are correct, should be wearing a seatbelt at all times when the vehicle is not stationary.
Seatbelt or no seatbelt undulating road at 100km/h manages to get my head there pretty easily!!! :-D
Well there are quite a few New 34's at NE Isuzu lined up but they are not badged up so anyone can take sneak pics till the last minute :-D
Quote from: MrT on January 29, 2007, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: medevac on January 29, 2007, 07:24:57 PM
shouldnt the drvier be wearing a seatbelt? surely he wouldnt smak his head then....
just jokes
Maybe a joke, but you are correct, should be wearing a seatbelt at all times when the vehicle is not stationary.
as i said, just jokes. i have actually read my SOPs and COSOs
Inman Valley and Browns Well are the latest brigades to receive a new Hino 34 :wink:
hope they enjoy their new toys and lets face it those hinos would and could do 20 years at these brigade's....
NEW APPLIANCE ARRIVING AT 1900 HOURS TONIGHT - PLS ATTEND - FROM MALLALA CAPTAIN
Quote from: 24P on May 23, 2007, 05:44:42 PM
NEW APPLIANCE ARRIVING AT 1900 HOURS TONIGHT - PLS ATTEND - FROM MALLALA CAPTAIN
And a bit later
SANTA HAS ARRIVED FROM MALALA CAPTAIN
Must have pushed up the schedule it wasn't due until august....good on them hope they have fun with their new toy.
Possibly was, their old one died and they were using the region spare 34.
I have heard that now Jervois, Yahl and Paringa have new 34's as well. Any more been dished out yet that anyone knows of?
and whats the go with the kangarilla and mclaren flat 34's? Have they disaappeared to a place with more suitable topography yet or what? Also, am i the only one that sees a problem with moving these trucks to flatter areas. That seems to me to just be avoiding the problem than dealing with it. It could also be a problem if these brigades or their appliances get responded to hilly/mountainous areas. Will these appliances just not go or what?
1909071 16:41:14 08-06-07 MONDAY NITE TRAINING CANCELLED. IS ON TUESDAY NITE INSTEAD 7.30. CHANGEOVER OF HV 34 VH-Base 8/06/07
looks like Hindmarsh Valley might be up for a new one.....
Looks like Hindmarsh Valley are getting one next week.
MONDAY NITE TRAINING CANCELLED. IS ON TUESDAY NITE INSTEAD 7.30. CHANGEOVER OF HV 34 VH-Base 8/06/07
Just been told that Taplan received there new 34 but they have no where to put there CABA equipment,
Both Hindmarsh Valley & Taplan received their new 34's in the last week....but the info not yet reflected on the Promo website, due to a major upgrade that is going on at the moment...hope to have it done in the next week..... :-)
Pip
Just curious why is it that some brigades that do 10-20 jobs a year are getting refurbs and new applainces are going to briagdes that normally do 1-10 i think thats pretty silly.
Yes it's nice to get a new truck but will it badsically be 200,000 bucks wasted by putting a truck where it really won't get used. :|
I have to agree with that...Refurbs should be going to any brigade with less than 30 calls a year. Sure the Water capacity of the truck's that are going to those brigades are required (i.e 3000L)...but why not have Mitsubishi Canter built up for 3000L :-D....i guess they need a crew deck for running grass fires ey...
On a lighter note...our 1989 model 34...has only done 38000km :lol: such a new truck :roll:
Ours did 34,000km in nearly 20 years our new one has done 11,000km in nearly two years......
I suppose a few trips to moores and NE isuzu have accounted for that :evil:
I did hear that brigades that did less than 30 calls per year would get a refurb appliance,but as you cane see this is not being done,may be CFS don't have enough second hand appliances to go around.Or when they do send a appliances for refitting its full of RUST
I believe the figure is less than 10 calls you get a re-furb...
They need to start thinking about cycling the first lot of 34's even, I mean Taplan for example, 5 calls last year, most they have ever done is 16, why on earth do they need a brand new truck, hmmm, makes you wonder. ah well, what can you do.
hehe have change-able Callsign's on the trucks and have a standard stowage layout. :lol:
18:20:47 25-06-07 Blackwood 34 now online. All crew please familiarize your self with the appliance. Snr 2
34 for Blackwood...replacing there CAFS appliance...probably going sumwhere else :?
May be its going for more repairs?????
Still out for repairs, depends how long that takes, this might be a fill in for a while, I think the CAFS is in for major surgery.
QuoteI mean Taplan for example, 5 calls last year, most they have ever done is 16, why on earth do they need a brand new truck,
I agree Pumprescue, this is a disgraceful waste of tax payers money. Considering there are brigades out that do that many calls in day that have not seen a new truck in a number of years it really doesn't seem to make any sense at all.
Taplan may need a replacement vehicle but do you really think it is wise to have a $250,000 vehicle sitting there when a re-furbed one would do just as well - crazy.
QuoteBlackwood 34 now online. All crew please familiarize your self with the appliance. Snr 2
Anyone know which vehicle this is that they have got ??
The old Sellicks 34 i think...
Did One Tree Hill get a new 34??
Looks like they got it last night!
Quote from: uniden on July 03, 2007, 04:42:28 PM
Did One Tree Hill get a new 34??
Yes One Tree Hill definitely got a new Hino 34 last night :wink:
Kangarilla Isuzu 34 will be departing the station tomorrow, and will be replaced by the new Hino 34. For this farewell party all the equipment is to be taken off this vehicle, tonight. This memorative celebration will start at 19:30 hours, CFS Kangarilla Info
So look whos getting a new 34 as well
stuff the truck its party time......
Both Spalding & Napperby also got their new 34's in the last few weeks...
Pip
I thought Kangarilla's was fairly new? - Last couple years?
Long story behind that one. Much debated over many forums. Suffice to say, had experienced handling probs due to weight distribution - or something like that. I understand the "old" 34 is to be fully rebuilt before being made available for service elsewhere. I think it is about 5 years old.
The "old" Kangarilla 34 is based on a 2003 Chassis, & was delivered to Kangarilla in June 2004.
Understand it will (eventually) be sent to a brigade on the flat lands. I believe the (old) McLaren Flat 34 is in a similar position (which was in the same build as Kangarilla's)
Pip
There good for the flat stuff but not for hill's...
Two Wells are getting a new 34 here it is in hiding :-D
Quote from: 5271rescue on July 05, 2007, 05:53:15 PM
There good for the flat stuff but not for hill's...
Dont know about that ours does quiet well in the hills. Maybe its the drivers :?
I still find it interesting that of the 20 or so 34's from the Kangarilla/Mclaren Flat build, that only 2 have been soooooo bad that they can't possibly be used. They were all built the same, ah well, they got the outcome they wanted, lets hope these new one's keep them satisfied.
I don't think they were quite built the same...they were all meant to be built from the same plan, but after the first two, some issues related to weight distribution was discovered, and the original design altered slightly....at least, that was what we were advised of at a Group meeting...
Pip
Our 34 which is 4 almost 5 years old did have problems and has been back to moores for repair work still goes fine i must agree that it takes awhile to get used to the height and the swaying but it is a mtter of driving it and learning what it can or cant do.
The issue with the old kangarilla 34 was it was 650kg light over the front axle and was doing wheelstands on steep inclines :-o
That batch of 34 appliances was identical.
It was not light on the front end - it was to specification - CFS and Isuzu.
It is not possible to do wheel stands whilst going up hills. - from memory the issue was whilst going down a hill?
A weight was added to the front of the appliance and the brigades were still not satisfied.
It will be very interesting to see wether the brigade has the same issues with the new truck, then it might be saying something... as i have said before i know many people that have driven these trucks including moores employees and can not find the problem.
Quote from: Andrew on July 08, 2007, 06:29:44 AM
That batch of 34 appliances was identical.
It was not light on the front end - it was to specification - CFS and Isuzu.
It is not possible to do wheel stands whilst going up hills. - from memory the issue was whilst going down a hill?
A weight was added to the front of the appliance and the brigades were still not satisfied.
Lets see what happens with the new one then :?