Does anyone know if the CFS has spare appliances on standby not belonging to any particular station? :?
i think there are a few around i know of 1 in region 5 (a 24 i think) and region 2 has a 34
I know theres a 24 in region4 - labelled as "region 4 24"
im pretty sure there are a few spares round the place...
Also believe region 3 has a spare. The region 2 appliance is ex Kadina 34 soon to be re-named Region Two 34
the region 5, 24 is based at the Naracoorte fire station it was the old beachport appliances is in need of some small work on it. It was part of a strike team to the edenhope fire two weeks ago and did a good job....
Mclaren Vale were running around in Athelstones old 34 the other week but the stickers had come off and the appliance read THE STONE 34 it took me a while and a few questions as to where The Stone brigade was :roll:
Region Three used to have a spare, housed at Jervois where they used it as a second appliance.
It was barely roadworthy and an operational nightmare. It was scrapped.
The old Bunbury unit went to Tintinara when they closed down. I think it may be a "spare" - we did borrow it when we had an appliance down for a week but that's a fair while ago now. Nothing was offered to us when we were down an appliance for nearly a week recently.
It is sad nothing is 'offered' anymore Kat, we actually have to do the groud work and chase things up ourselves.
I guess housing a spare in a region could be an issue - however with the number that are sitting out north that have been decommissioned it would be nice to se a few maintained - for those occasions when an appliance is off line - maybe they could be housed at the majot repairing/manufacturing areas - i.e. Moores and mfs engineering - drop one off for repair pick up a spare. Just needs someone to take responsability for them :evil:
Why not house them at the region H/Q if there is room or better still in a station that has the room dont leave them out in the rain...
Coz Blinky not many Regional HQ's have secure facilities like R5 and not many brigades/groups have spare bays unlike the 27 at Naracoorte :evil: lol - I'm sure someone, some where may pick up on this and again start the ball rolling
We've got room for 2 spares, we'll house them especially if they make the old Eden Pumper a spare :-D
eden pumper is going to become a BWC on an island???
So any new spares in regions yet??? the region 5 spare has come back and is sitting in the region 5 yard,hope that they put it somewhere soon before it gets too rusrty...
havent heard of any but sounds like mawson group could use one at the moment... with two 34s out of action. good for them to have understanding resources nearby willing to lend a truck for a while
may be region one should have a spare pumper and a 34...
mmm would be good, i reckon theres a few appliances coming offline that are still in good shape, i guess the thing is, do they go out and buy a brand new appliance purely to be a spare?
considerign the reason half these appliances come offline is because they are outdated, or passed the use by
Well if they buy a new type two for Naracoorte they could use our pumper as a state spare now that would be great...
naracoorte pumper is still is reasonably good condition i thought>?
how old is she?
Wouldn't mind one down at Goolwa with the growth we've got going on at the moment, let alone homes in the town and Hindmarsh Island, two new huge nursing homes and with the extension of the industrial estate we will have the biggest on the south coast..... But i won't be holding my breath thats for sure.
Naracoorte pumper is coming up to 8 years old so would make a good state spare,may be you guys should start the ball rolling and see what can be done,,,,,,
Have to disagree Bill that truck is too godd to sit around as a spare. They should have kept Eden Pumper as a spare heavy pumper. Would save brigades like Mt Barker having to use 1980 model IH ACCO pumper from MFS. Apparently it is no good anyway. We used some of these ACCOs at the Angle Park training centre and they are unreliable. They are ok for training but not to use operationally. CFS shoudl have their own ready spares.
Quote from: ath on July 08, 2006, 02:40:52 PM
Have to disagree Bill that truck is too godd to sit around as a spare.
It can sit around in our station as a spare :-D
Was at N.E Isuzu the other day with our 34 and sitting out in the boneyard was Eden Pumper with all the locker doors up letting in the rain....what a waste.
At the Virginia floods last year they sent all the MFS recruits up to Two Wells to fill sandbags and it was a sight for the older generation, 5 or so old Acco's all lined up that looked like they should have been completely retired eon's ago. :-D
Yes EDEN HILS old pumper would make a good state spare,but I understand its going to become a BWC.....
Was at N.E Isuzu the other day with our 34 and sitting out in the boneyard was Eden Pumper with all the locker doors up letting in the rain....what a waste.(Quote)
I see Happy Valley Pumper is out there as well....for $48,000,
and STURT 24 is at Kangarilla :wink:
Thankfully some appliances have been spared from the CFS graveyard, for a while!
All the open back 34's to my knowledge are likely to be converted into tankers or sold off to private owners for spraying and other uses
Would'nt want this one as a spare appliance would you :-D(//)
eden pumper (old) is to become a BWC some of the old appliances have made there way to a shed here in Naracoorte so as to be saved for a heritage type museum.
Well I'm not sure if ther rumors are true but I hear there is a brand new Type 2 Floating around at the moment that hasn't been assigned to a Bridage yet, I wish SHQ would make their minds up on good spare vechials that just float around not being used, as someone said Mawson Group has 2 34's offline at the moment, and one of the 34's down at McClaren Flat was replaced with a 14, a 14 for crying out loud, how can a 14 be a replacement for a 34, seriously, maybe Region 5 should loan Maswon Group there spare vehcial while we get our's fixed :-D
Time they removed woodside appliances that is off line again and costing far too much money to fix....send the type two there sure they would like it....
Maybe the problem is that there are so many deserving brigades, they can't decide who needs it most? ;)
put a brigade name in a hat and draw a winner... :lol:
Quote from: rescue5271 on August 30, 2006, 07:17:53 PM
put a brigade name in a hat and draw a winner... :lol:
Isnt that the way its done already??????
QuoteIsnt that the way its done already??
If that's the way its done, wouldn't they have got it right a couple of times?
:P
I hear Murray Bridge is up for a type2, i think this is kind of a waste, yes they are a reasonably busy brigade but they are in a town that has already got 2 medium/heavy?? pumpers another would probably be a bit of a waste, a 34P would be more appropriate. :|
And Happy Valley did lose their pumper for a 34 but any big job within their area requiring such large amounts of water would have quite a few MFS pumps there within a short period of time, so maybe a Type2 isn't needed there?? :|
People will probably disagree but those are my veiws only.
QuoteAnd Happy Valley did lose their pumper for a 34 but any big job within their area requiring such large amounts of water would have quite a few MFS pumps there within a short period of time, so maybe a Type2 isn't needed there??
Yeah, stick the type 2 with Morphett Vale, then we can backup Happy Valley as well as Seaford with it :)
Now come on matt where would you put it??? better still just open a satelite station... :lol:
Ahhhhh a Type 2 wouldnt that be lovely....pity you have to virtually beg for one if you want it..CFS should standardise the fleet and replace all 24P's with one :-D :lol:
Isn't the point of a 24P that its rural? If you replaced them all with pumpers, how would you fight rural fires?
Depends if you have a slug,or shall I say snail version :wink:
How about replacing all 24P's with either Type 2's or 34P for brigades that need both Rural and Urban Firefighting, unlike Happy Valley who yes our Pumper was taken and we had a 34 replacement, but because of where we are we don't always needs lots of water, we can tap into the mains and the Pump on the 24P is not sufficiant enought to pump heaps of water. Plus most 24P's that I know don't have Turbo and especially in Happy Valley, we have alot of hills to drive up, aka Education RD :x , And even tho we don't it would be quicker to take our 34 instead just for speed. Thats my point of view anyway, and also how did this thread get changed from Spare Appliances for CFS to what Trucks are accually needed within the CFS :-P
Quote from: HV_RKO007 on September 09, 2006, 03:41:30 PM
How about replacing all 24P's with either Type 2's or 34P for brigades that need both Rural and Urban Firefighting, unlike Happy Valley who yes our Pumper was taken and we had a 34 replacement, but because of where we are we don't always needs lots of water, we can tap into the mains and the Pump on the 24P is not sufficiant enought to pump heaps of water. Plus most 24P's that I know don't have Turbo and especially in Happy Valley, we have alot of hills to drive up, aka Education RD :x , And even tho we don't it would be quicker to take our 34 instead just for speed. Thats my point of view anyway, and also how did this thread get changed from Spare Appliances for CFS to what Trucks are accually needed within the CFS :-P
but because of where we are we don't always needs lots of water, we can tap into the mains and the Pump on the 24P is not sufficiant enought to pump heaps of waterYour 24P has a 500gpm Darley - It is a volume pump and is good at pumping lots of water, just not at high pressure, with 2 in and 2 out :)
Quote from: safirey on August 28, 2006, 04:17:59 PM
Was at N.E Isuzu the other day with our 34 and sitting out in the boneyard was Eden Pumper with all the locker doors up letting in the rain....what a waste.(Quote)
I see Happy Valley Pumper is out there as well....for $48,000,
and STURT 24 is at Kangarilla :wink:
if anyone gives a stuff, i saw sturt 24 hooning around again in belair national park on the weekend, so i can only assume its back home.
on the topic of spares, i wonder where blackwood 24 is now? its no longer down the side of their station (cherry gardens air support is still there last time i drove past). There are also at least 3 spares i know of at STC. virginia 24, a small 14 that i think is the promo units, and an old acco.
There are also at least 3 spares i know of at STC. virginia 24, a small 14 that i think is the promo units, and an old acco
Hey probie...
Maybe STC is becoming the CFS Museum :-D
happy valley and morphett vale should both have pumpers...34P's are glorified rural trucks.... :mrgreen:
Quote from: pumprescue on September 19, 2006, 09:19:03 PM
happy valley and morphett vale should both have pumpers
On what basis do you base this on? (curious as i dont know the area to well)
Also with the 34P do they come with 2 standpipes?
happy valley and morphett vale are both busy brigades in predominantly urban areas.... hard to explain if you dont know where they are really...
but they are both surrounded by the burbs and respond to both commercial and industrial areas, have multiple schools, hospitals and nursing homes in there areas... and all the rest.
IMO they both should have pumpers....
Those appliances that where at STC are now in the shed here in Naracoorte as part of the vfba museum...
well yeah if there is the commercial and industrial risk along with schools etc then i dont see why not either.
Although if they cant get the truck out the door then there probaly isnt the need as a red truck probaly will take its place but thats another thread.
It seems the CFS is way behind because if you go across the border (CFA) it seems any brigade with a reasonable town 5000 plus or maybe less has some sort of pumper but it seems here you have to fight tooth and nail for them.
Although government funding would probaly be the biggest killer in that department.
Quote from: pumprescue on September 19, 2006, 09:19:03 PM
Happy Valley and Morphett Vale should both have pumpers...34P's are glorified rural trucks.... :mrgreen:
BRING IT ONNNNNNNN :-D
All EMA brigades should have RCR gear as well for when we have to do COQ to their stations :-D
you got a good point there
Quote from: safirey on September 24, 2006, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: pumprescue on September 19, 2006, 09:19:03 PM
Happy Valley and Morphett Vale should both have pumpers...34P's are glorified rural trucks.... :mrgreen:
BRING IT ONNNNNNNN :-D
All EMA brigades should have RCR gear as well for when we have to do COQ to their stations :-D
lol make MFS pay for it then
Have heard that by this time next year every region should have its own spare appliance. Will have to wait and see what happens there.
Quote from: 24P on October 06, 2006, 08:05:59 PM
Have heard that by this time next year every region should have its own spare appliance. Will have to wait and see what happens there.
ONLY ONE :evil:
Quote from: safirey on September 24, 2006, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: pumprescue on September 19, 2006, 09:19:03 PM
Happy Valley and Morphett Vale should both have pumpers...34P's are glorified rural trucks.... :mrgreen:
BRING IT ONNNNNNNN :-D
All EMA brigades should have RCR gear as well for when we have to do COQ to their stations :-D
Don't think they could justify the thousands of dollars in gear, thousands in training, and thousands in upkeep.. On the off chance and rare occasions that CFS does COQ to MFS stations..
Nice concept though.
Quote from: RescueHazmat on October 06, 2006, 09:14:42 PM
Quote from: safirey on September 24, 2006, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: pumprescue on September 19, 2006, 09:19:03 PM
Happy Valley and Morphett Vale should both have pumpers...34P's are glorified rural trucks.... :mrgreen:
BRING IT ONNNNNNNN :-D
All EMA brigades should have RCR gear as well for when we have to do COQ to their stations :-D
Don't think they could justify the thousands of dollars in gear, thousands in training, and thousands in upkeep.. On the off chance and rare occasions that CFS does COQ to MFS stations..
Nice concept though.
It's not as rare as you think, Last Year I know Happy Valley did atleast 3 or 4 COQ's to MFS Station's, hell around this time last year The Old Happy Valley Pumper was sitting down at Adelaide Fire Station on COQ during the Flooding last year, Sitting proudly next to the MFS Trucks that where still stationed down there, One Last Dance with the Old Gal, then only 2 months later she was gone and is now sitting down in the Boneyard, collecting even more rust :-( Ohh well Maybe we will find some glory in 24P.... :-P
Watch this space :-D
Quote from: HV_RKO007 on October 09, 2006, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: RescueHazmat on October 06, 2006, 09:14:42 PM
Quote from: safirey on September 24, 2006, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: pumprescue on September 19, 2006, 09:19:03 PM
Happy Valley and Morphett Vale should both have pumpers...34P's are glorified rural trucks.... :mrgreen:
BRING IT ONNNNNNNN :-D
All EMA brigades should have RCR gear as well for when we have to do COQ to their stations :-D
Don't think they could justify the thousands of dollars in gear, thousands in training, and thousands in upkeep.. On the off chance and rare occasions that CFS does COQ to MFS stations..
Nice concept though.
It's not as rare as you think, Last Year I know Happy Valley did atleast 3 or 4 COQ's to MFS Station's, filtered around this time last year The Old Happy Valley Pumper was sitting down at Adelaide Fire Station on COQ during the Flooding last year, Sitting proudly next to the MFS Trucks that where still stationed down there, One Last Dance with the Old Gal, then only 2 months later she was gone and is now sitting down in the Boneyard, collecting even more rust :-( Ohh well Maybe we will find some glory in 24P.... :-P
If you can provide an argument to your powers above, showing your Rescue needs, or lack off, in you PRIMARY, note, *PRIMARY* area, you will have alot better chance of RIV or rescue equipment. (Wanting all EMA brigades to have RIV/Rescue for COQ is just impractical).
CFS will not pay for (and nor do I blame them) thousdands upon thousands of dollars, and almost equally as much in training your members and in upkeep, for the 3 or 4 times you do COQ into MFS stations.
I understand your argument, but that won't get you anywhere.. You need to show risk in your Primary area.
I believe you will have more chance of a Pumper in the short term over Rescue gear. But, anything is possible.