I know that some brigades are using long sleeve workshirts and some fireys at our station are looking into them. what do u wear them for? how much did they cost you? where did you get them made? are they proban/nomex? and do they actually make your firefighters look more uniformed for school visits/training/standby?
I know the NSW RFS has some thing simillar...
Pictures would be appreciated to give me an idea...
The only people I know of that wear the long sleve Nomex Work shirts for JOBS (for Lesser scale grass fires / MVA's with no danger etc) are the SAMFS.
No CFS brigade has them for the use of FIRECALLS to my knowledge, and I wouldnt think they would as they have not been approved. (they can be purchased and worn as undergarments, but shouldn't be worn without a turnout coat.) (Please verify your comment about knowing brigades that use them, do you mean just around the Fire House? Training? or actual Jobs ?...)-
However, they are a fantastic idea, and I think it should be looked into by the CFS for use at Fire Calls....
I know for a fact that a Brigade has these items available to members. i believe that the brigade uses them at training, when working at the fire station ( not firehouse!!!) and they wear them to jobs underneath turnout gear as to provide a uniformed approach when returning to station after a job. I hate it everytime i see a SACFS Firefighter in pants and a scraggy tshirt advertising Victoria Bitter. We are a Fire Service. why dont we start looking and acting like one rather than unproffesional drunks who play with Fire trucks once a week.
Sorry for the comment about FIRE HOUSE, I should have written FIRE SHED!... It aint a STATION! (Most stations I know are made from brick, not TIN).
Just bear with me, having a VB, and changing into my stubbies and scraggy T-Shirt, S**T...... Fire Call!! gotta run and act like an Unprofessional Drunk!
BIG GENERALISATION MATE!
MATTE you are correct - a number of brigades are using those long sleeve blue work shirts for training & PR, it does look a lot better than the aforementioned VB shirt or tank top.
Our brigade rules state that you must be wearing a navy blue shirt anytime that you wish to wear turnout pants without a jacket at training or PR events etc. This rule does not include firecalls though (it's hard enough for people to get dressed a 3 o'clock in the morning for a call let alone making them wear the correct shirt). Most of our members bought either the long sleeve work shirts or the 'Fire & Rescue' Tshirts.
If you want any try Devon clothing at Brighton, Fire & Rescue at Blackwood, Arparjen clothing or 'The Promo place' at Darlington (I believe they use reflective lettering for the back of the shirts).
on the topic of VB shirts... i was atthe sroyal show with cfs one year, and one of the other girls didnt have a cfs shirt, so of all the shirts she could have chosen to wear...a "vodka cruiser" shirt!!!!! luckily, they were giving us all shirts that said "royal adelaide show 2003" with cfs logos...
I wish my brigade took that stance on uniform, Matt. I believe they are a fantastic idea and anything to make us look more professional out on the field is warmly welcomed.
Any ideas on how much your members were paying for these shirts? Do you use the reflective ones?
Quote from: corocfs on July 20, 2005, 11:38:36 AM
on the topic of VB shirts... i was atthe sroyal show with cfs one year, and one of the other girls didnt have a cfs shirt, so of all the shirts she could have chosen to wear...a "vodka cruiser" shirt!!!!! luckily, they were giving us all shirts that said "royal adelaide show 2003" with cfs logos...
hehehe... I remember that year Coro. You are not wrong, there were a few concerned faces throughout the morning as different people exposed what T-shirts they had on... :-o Then rags handed out these nice blue shirts, and we all looked like one :-D
Hi Guys and Girls.
I think Blue work shirts would be a great idea Id defanantly get a few For around the station and diffrent fire calls.
Cheers Todd
I think they should adopt the same standard as MFS, and get the NOMEX work shirts, so at the smaller scale grass fires, you can wear that and ur bunker pants, instead of having the Jacket on too...
Ofcourse, depending on the environment, there would be some occasions where throwing the Jacket on would be a wise idea..
Quote from: strikeathird on July 20, 2005, 09:20:23 PMget the NOMEX work shirts
That's All & Good But Whats The Cost Of The Shirts, I Don't Think The CFS Will Deal Out All That Money For All The Members As Last Time I Checked I Believe That The Shirts Were A Little On The Expensive Side.
I think that if the CFS were to allow Nomex shirts they would be at group expenses and i know my group would pursue it on the basis of comfort, profesionalism and safety.
Could someone from a Brigade that utilises these shirts please post pics to give everyone a rough idea of what they look like.......
They are a Blue long sleved shirt, like the Hard Yakka ones, (To those that have seen Mets wear them, they are Identical, except with the CFS star on the front - FIRE AND RESCUE on the back)
Go to ur local MFS station and ask to have a look at a NOMEX work shirt, or go into Fire And rescue at Blackwood.
The blue 'Yakka' shirts we purcharsed were around the $25 - $30 mark, at the time we bought them the reflective writing was not available however I believe the supplier can now do them with the reflective lettering for about the same price.
One of our members also has a Nomex work shirt which I believe was about $110, physically they don't look much different. For general PR / station duties I would stick with the 'Yakka' shirts they are warm in winter and look good.
CFS has looked at them and seriously too! I believe they are in the pot with a number of other uniform issues!!
A number of suppliers have made proto types for testing. FARA did make some which were being tested - not sure of the material though - it wasn't nomex.
Red Nomex ones are used at Brukunga by some instructors for CFBT and Live Fire and several green ones in Nomex or similar were being trailed by a couple of Wildfire Investigators. Ultimately
I guess one of the issues is do we go blue or green - now theres a debt that has been held on mass over the past 10 years!!!! Ultimately, yes you guessed it has resulted in a mass debate every time!!! :?
Pictures???
Why does the CFS insist on Green!!!. It makes us look terrible. does anyone believe the CFS should adopt a Standard Field uniform
hehehe, yes indeed the Blue VS Green debate will be a never ending one. Altho, heard around the blocks that green will most probably be the way to go..??
Can any one confirm this?
If i wanted a green uniform i would join the scouts, heard the SES are moving to Blues.
ses are moving to blue dress uniform... compltetely non-operational, however they are having there logo re-designed for operational gear
Quote from: MATTE on July 22, 2005, 02:21:19 PM
Pictures???
Why does the CFS insist on Green!!!. It makes us look terrible. does anyone believe the CFS should adopt a Standard Field uniform
In the week you have asked for pictures you could have gone into Fire and Rescue / aparjen(spelling) or even a METS station.. :P
I believe the choice for green is simply because we are not MFS, so why should it be blue.... I don;t understand the comment on standard field uniform, do you mean dress uniform? (Which is already set), or do u mean operational Fire ground ? (Which, as far as I know, is also been set at a standard... EG - Nomex, Proban, PBI, etc etc... Just clarify if you can.. Cheers)
In a past issue of Volunteer magazine there was a brief article about the changes to uniform. it said the was a Dress/Formal uniform, a Field uniform, PPE, and Casual Apparel. im guessing Field uniform would be what WE Should have to wear underneath our PPE hence the workshirts. something to wear when operational but not operational if u get what i mean :-P.
From what I've heard - and this could well have changed or be out dated or incorrect, but it was:
Full dress for CEO, CO and RC level only - this included Tunic and hat (expensive for 1 or 2 wears)
Formal uniform - same as what staff wear - khaki pants and shirt with broad brimmed hat
Field Uniform - NOT PPE, but hard wearing uniform for use in training where PPE isn't needed, for staging area people and in areas where PPE isn't required, undertaking pre-planning, risk assessments and field inspections - again driven by staff as the khaki isn't appropriate
PPE - Operational (full suite from L1 to L3 garments and associated items)
Casual - 'Approved" CFS casual wear - i.e. approved has logo (star), non approved taxi sign
VFBA may have more info as they had several people on the uniform review committee!
Hi all,
This is the last last uniform proposal that was played around with.
http://f3.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wGPkQuz4cnt4Tid6uaCpMYgAv4Wxl4SK2YnrFO7csR98IKvIJ4_4BIQmqQgT6PMC54qBaEODfv5garq3DTG8ZkYB31Y/Equipment/Uniform%20April%2004%20Proposal.ppt
(Copy URL into address bar - it should work :|)
Adam
Quote from: mengcfs on July 25, 2005, 01:07:39 PMhttp://f3.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wGPkQuz4cnt4Tid6uaCpMYgAv4Wxl4SK2YnrFO7csR98IKvIJ4_4BIQmqQgT6PMC54qBaEODfv5garq3DTG8ZkYB31Y/Equipment/Uniform%20April%2004%20Proposal.ppt (Copy URL into address bar - it should work :|)
Nope, Didn't Work For Me.
you could try pasting your known good url into www.tinyurl.com then paste the smaller link back here.
I think that there isnt much of a need to make to work shirts nomex, I think that Hard Yakka would provide enough protection and it is more than likely alot cheaper than nomex.
Although nomex privides a little more protection I think cost wise it would be a little expensive and not all brigades/groups would purchases then due to this reason.
No way would I wear it if it wasn't made of Nomex.. May as well a Flannalett!
Think about it, you are facing grass fire, like you go to know, with a nomex work shirt, currently your turnout gear is nomex (well, hopefully) - Why downgrade??
The work shirts will be more practical, and frankly, i dont give a sh*t about $$$ when lives / personal injury is at stake !
I think the idea is that the "work shirt" does not get used for frontline firefighting.
With that in mind, I wear the old polo top under my turnout gear at every other fire i go to, and i dont see much difference between that and a hard yakka style shirt.
The only difference - the material they are mate from??? Polyester/polo shirts melts at lower temps than cotton/yaka work shirts!
Although if you are that close that it makes a difference you may have a few other issues to think about apart from your undergarments!!!!!
Ah, just on the firehouse, fire shed, fire station thing......
I don't care how stingy it is or what it is made of, I think we should all operate out of fire "stations".
(Wearing lovely blue work shirts adorned with the traditional fiire star) :-D
Quote from: strikeathird on July 26, 2005, 12:54:56 AMNo way would I wear it if it wasn't made of Nomex.. May as well a Flannalett! Think about it, you are facing grass fire, like you go to know, with a nomex work shirt, currently your turnout gear is nomex (well, hopefully) - Why downgrade??
They Are Not Talking About Fighting The Fire In The Work Shirt. PPE Still To Be Worn, Only When Mopping Up (Threat To Life Is Gone) Are They Talking About Wearing The Work Shirt.
Hell I Am Happy WithThe Fire Rescue Tops. It Would Be Good To Have The Nomex Shirts But I Don't See It As A Cost That The CFS Needs. If They Were To Buy One Fire Rescue Or Hard Yakka Top Each For Its Members I Think Most People Would Wear Them.
My brigade is just getting these blue shirts at a cost of $25 paid by the brigade and to be used for training and Pr work mind you it would be nice to wear at RCR jobs....
can you give us the details bill... id be interested in following it up for (if nothing else) our competitions team uniform.
Drop Rex an email at arpajen@bigpond.net.au He can help you with a huge range of CFS clothing. Arpajen supply the state training centre with all their gear. Work wear and station Wear.
cheers
(Note - In regards to anything i say about NOMEX work shirts, I am meaning using or getting the NOMEX work shirts for Operational Use)..
In regards to the work shirts, (Nomex, like MFS) - Ithink it is an option to look at, for wearing at Grass fires and RCR.
For example, you would have your PBI or Nomex Pants, and the work shirt for the above mentioned jobs.
That is a way of getting around having 2 sets of gear (for those with PBI) , as you cant wear your full PBI set at grassys - but with a Nomex work shirt, I think it would be okay.. Otherwise you would cook.
Does anyone know if NOMEX work shirts are approved by CFS?
negative on that
Quote from: CFS_firey on September 19, 2005, 03:12:15 PM
Does anyone know if NOMEX work shirts are approved by CFS?
I think they are for the MFS, but not the CFS.
Yep, double standards again.
hmmm.. Seems like there is alot of that.
i dont think tis just a matter of that...
i think its mainly two services wanting to promote two differant images to the public... uniform wise that is.
i mean... Nomex shirts are a good idea... but you could say that to the public a firefighter wearing his pants and a shirt dsoez look like they are only half-dressed...
neway,
has anyone ever actually approached the CFS formally with this idea? not just kicked it around the station or forum like this? if you approached the comittee with the appropriate material to offer them, im sure some progress would be made... just wondering if anyione has
I personally couldn't give a toss what the public think. If it is not only practical, but also safer, who cares. (But I do see what you mean).
yeah i dont care what the pubic think when they see me at the job.. however the CFS as an organisation does... :roll:
oh well...
neone got any info on wether a request has ever actually been put forward formally for blue work shirts?
I heard around the traps a while ago that it had been mentioned, but don't believe it got any where...
The only isue I see with a work shirt - what are you wearing under your turn out pants - MFS have woolen trousers/uniform pants - this ensures should sparks et all go down that their legs are protected (as the shirt is under the pants braces)
This would be an issue for CFS - people wear lots of different things under their PPE.
Also, is we are then going to go to work pants extra $$$$ or if we wear it on the outsid of the braces - what do you wear under it to stop rubbing, and if you are wearing it on the outside, why not juust wear a PPE jacket - they are about as cool as Nomex shirts with a t-shirt under neath :-D
This is no longer the case. Since PBI was introduced my understanding is that woolen pants are no longer required due to the turnout pants being sufficient protection.
In fact I did hear that during summer SAMFS may be wearing shorts in the station.
Makes you wonder then, with a turn out shirt, like MFS wear, that is worn beneath the braces, what happens when the body gets showered with sparks, embers, dropping burning material from trees - it goes straight down the front , between the shirt and pants and onto the legs ......... now theres a good idea :evil:
Quote from: oz fire on September 20, 2005, 12:20:12 PM
Makes you wonder then, with a turn out shirt, like MFS wear, that is worn beneath the braces, what happens when the body gets showered with sparks, embers, dropping burning material from trees - it goes straight down the front , between the shirt and pants and onto the legs ......... now theres a good idea :evil:
You toughen up and put the fire out quicker.
Now theres a good thought! :lol: :lol: :lol:
You should write the SOP on that - might help both fire services :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:mrgreen:
I am considering placing an order for the long sleeved blue shirts (Non- Nomex) and want to place a bulk order. it works out cheaper and saves the manafacuturer making unnecessary one offs.
The shirt will be Dark Blue with the The CFS Star and Country Fire Service Printed on the top left hand corner with bold FIRE & RESCUE on the Back. If you are interested just register ur interest on this forum and we will see what will work best for the cheapest price.
Cheers
I believe that the CFS star is now reserved only for official uniform eg Staff and Dress Uniform. The logo however is no problem to my understanding.
The best CFS friendly clothing company we know of is arpajen@bigpond.net.au.
Please, please tell me we can still get a supplier to do us shirts with the star on it???
FARA still have plenty of shirts available, with either star or corporate logo...
btw, count me in, would be great for training and standby days, you know my contact details.
Quote from: Firefrog on September 28, 2005, 04:34:01 PM
I believe that the CFS star is now reserved only for official uniform eg Staff and Dress Uniform. The logo however is no problem to my understanding.
The best CFS friendly clothing company we know of is arpajen@bigpond.net.au.
Have not seen anything in writing. Till I do, I know I for one will only buy things with the STAR.
Hate the corporate logo !
doesnt the name "corporate logo" mean that it should be used for that kind of stuff (letterheads, business docs.. etc) i cant undertsand why its ended up on trucks, some helmets, etc...
All I can say is keep ordering stuff with star until they say no more, I have stocked up, won't see me wearing the taxi logo anytime soon, already been in truble for repeatidly ripping it off my helmet!!
Why have two logos :?
Most people don't like the new logo
hehe...
My helmet has never had the "Taxi" logo, and it never will!
Don't know why it ever changed.
There are a few places still doing the star by request, FARA definately still do it....
As for the Corporate logo on helmets, mine had one on there, but it met a timely demise, with a little bit of help!
Funny isn't it?
Not one member of our Brigade has EVER had the taxi logo on their helmets.
The pre logo appliance still proudly wears the star.
Now I know this is an old, richly debated topic, but WHO actually does like the "corporate" logo?
Just for interest sake, Gum Nut embroidery (ex-Eastern Textile Traders) have been told that any further T-Shirt orders from brigades must only have the Taxi Logo (sorry corporate logo) on them.
So it has happened, I feel like writing to the Chief Officer saying WTF!!
It's simple. I will not purchase anything with the "Taxi State" logo sign on it.
Therefor:
Those that sell items / produce items with the Star... Will make a packet.
I think this is one thing the COUNTRY FIRE SERVICE have really stuffed up !!!!!
Quote from: Mike on October 04, 2005, 09:33:27 AM
There are a few places still doing the star by request, FARA definately still do it....
spoke to the FARA guys today... they have been sent a directive saying they are not to issue any equipment with the star on it, unless it is dress uniform type stuff...
so tell me... how the hell is it that a corporate logo is being used for all operational PPE/Appliances/etc...
OMGWTF!!!!!!!!!
I have an idea................
Screw the stupid C.F.S :x, i heard fara aren't even allowed to sell their current stock :?
All we need to do is make our own social club T-shirts or even better make VFBA shirts. Then you just put nothing on the front (maybe the brigade name) and whatever you want on the back.
Why do C.F.S keep doing this to us, it must be someone justifying their possition again.
Well I will just be buying T-shirts with Country Fire Service and no logo, if I want a yellow cabs T-Shirt I will ask them for one!