I understand that there is a list floating around with the large amount of problems/defects on the last lot of 34p that where ment to have been fixed after sitting soooo long at NORTHEAST and have been sent out to brigade's only to be sent back and leaving the brigade's with out an appliances for some days if not weeks....Tell me do those at the top when they get the appliances doing any testing with them or just hand them out?????? Does any body have a copy of the so called list of defects??
there is a list, quite a number of faults thats all ill say, not sure about "floating around", but its goin through the appropriate channels.
Here's hoping the 34P's made by Varley are ready to go into service not long after delivery instead of more than a year. Does anyone know why it took so long to rectify the problems with the last lot?
money, or a lack of it?
or probaly issues with warranty from mills tui.
Have the Varley model made it to SA yet? A photo would be nice.
Quote from: COMP00 on February 20, 2008, 04:41:10 PM
or probaly issues with warranty from mills tui.
Have the Varley model made it to SA yet? A photo would be nice.
Heard they were due may/june? Have seen a photo of a varley built 34, looks similar to a 34P. BTW there are still 2 34P's sitting at MFS workshops 1 X Cape Jervis and 1 X Yankalilla.
I did here june/july they will be here in SA and then will need to be tested by TECH SERVICE before they hand them out to those that are getting them..the new 34 looks ok mind you the hose reels where ment to be 60 meter's long but are only 30meter's...
Is there any reason that the manuafactures keep changing?
Is there something wrong with the Mills Tui units?
Would have thought that sticking with one builder would be better.
Anyway cheers
Quote from: ZipFilter'ed on February 19, 2008, 04:10:41 PM
there is a list, quite a number of faults thats all ill say, not sure about "floating around", but its goin through the appropriate channels.
Yeh, saw the list and the photo's ,issues central! Quality control went out the window!!
As everything in the CFS it probaly went to the cheapest bidder. And it shows!
Yeah a few issues with the last batch of 34P's. A couple of major but mostly minor irritating stuff!
the last CFS brigade i was in had a 34P while responding to a job at 3am one of the lockers fell of the truck. the tray was bent from the weight of the whole back end and the locker had stress fractures in it which we couldn't see so go belting down the road at 3am get to the job and wonder why our 24 is so far behind us the we noticed a missing locker 24 had found it and hadn't told us we had lost it the #34P went back that day to be fixed only the third time a locker had been broken on that brigades trucks
sesroadcrashrescue is correct. One of the main problems is the tray used on this batch is not strong enough for what it is carrying, hence flexing and lockers cracking. Ours has done the same.
Quotesesroadcrashrescue is correct. One of the main problems is the tray used on this batch is not strong enough for what it is carrying, hence flexing and lockers cracking. Ours has done the same.
Same with Balhannah 34P.
Quote from: sesroadcrashrescue on February 23, 2008, 11:04:00 AM
the last CFS brigade i was in had a 34P while responding to a job at 3am one of the lockers fell of the truck. the tray was bent from the weight of the whole back end and the locker had stress fractures in it which we couldn't see so go belting down the road at 3am get to the job and wonder why our 24 is so far behind us the we noticed a missing locker 24 had found it and hadn't told us we had lost it the #34P went back that day to be fixed only the third time a locker had been broken on that brigades trucks
Are you sure it was a 34P? Which locker was it? Theres only two individual lockers I can think of that if they actually did come away may have fallen off, otherwise you'd be losing 2 lockers in one (ie the BA and RCR locker) and I think you'd notice the side of your truck had suddenly disappeared.
back rear underneath the fact that one of our so called highly trained drivers put in into an embankment wouldn't have helped but in the bending of the tray the rivets etc had broken and with the impact it fell of one night after going over a bump
You mean the first lot of Australian Fire Co built 24P's, I think everyone has damaged one of those, thats nothing new or exciting and has nothing to do with the new one's.
it was a 34P
Quote from: sesroadcrashrescue on February 27, 2008, 12:44:46 PM
back rear underneath the fact that one of our so called highly trained drivers put in into an embankment wouldn't have helped but in the bending of the tray the rivets etc had broken and with the impact it fell of one night after going over a bump
So it was driver related more so than faulty manufacturing.
Was it an SEM or Mills-Tui build?
Quote from: sesroadcrashrescue on February 27, 2008, 12:44:46 PM
back rear underneath the fact that one of our so called highly trained drivers put in into an embankment wouldn't have helped but in the bending of the tray the rivets etc had broken and with the impact it fell of one night after going over a bump
Nice work. Blame the Manufacturer for a problem caused by scheiße driving.
it was comming off before te driver hitt it we thought we had fixed it afert the driver hit it but the screws and rivets let go and it fell of so it had been repaired before it fell off
Meningie 34p offline TFN????
Well lets just hope this years efforts are better. :|
QuoteWell lets just hope this years efforts are better.
Lets put our hopes in for 2010/2011 build's :|
Quote from: COMP00 on February 21, 2008, 03:35:52 AM
As everything in the CFS it probaly went to the cheapest bidder. And it shows!
went to the lowest bidder who was probably then beaten with a stick to force price down further, which eliminated 'fat' for QC and pre-delivery fixing. It's a wonder that any reputable manaufacturers still deal with HM SA Govt..
QuoteIt's a wonder that any reputable manaufacturers still deal with HM SA Govt..
and we are in a state where we have a thriving economy??? :|
Makes you wonder where all the money goes! Been checking the Emergency services out at my future home & its mostly fund raising, corporate sponsorship & grants - No ESL! And in one case you (or maybe your squad) pay for all of your PPE, uniforms etc So just like the good old days here :-D Can't wait!
So questions should be asked!
1) Why are there so many QA problems?
2) Why can't several manufacturers get it right?
3) Are they really the right vehicles for all of the tasks we expect them to do?
Is cost cutting costing us (the tax payer) more?
Anyway good luck with it, I'm sure the answers will be swiftly coming :-D
cheers
There is no consistence with in CFS and its about filtered time there was,with all the problems with appliances and with the lack of replacement stock/parts on the shelf time CFS looked at a better solution rather than use a band aid.....
Did this thread say "New 34P"...cant be new when its nearly 2 years old by the time the brigades get them after sitting in the weather for so long :-P
Quote from: SA Firey on March 10, 2008, 12:48:44 PM
Did this thread say "New 34P"...cant be new when its nearly 2 years old by the time the brigades get them after sitting in the weather for so long :-P
Yes maybe they should have at least kept them under cover somewhere. I remember seeing one at the show and it looked terrible.
I asked the question last week at a CFSVBA meeting to a person who knows what is going on with that batch of 34p and he said it was bad workmanship with the on going problems.....
Quote from: bill - rescue 5271 on March 11, 2008, 05:32:01 AM
I asked the question last week at a CFSVBA meeting to a person who knows what is going on with that batch of 34p and he said it was bad workmanship with the on going problems.....
There's someone who knows what's going on? That's quite impressive...
Quote from: CFS_Firey on March 12, 2008, 01:54:07 PM
There's someone who knows what's going on? That's quite impressive...
I'd suggest he wasn't at a CFSVBA meeting if that was the case...
QuoteI asked the question last week at a CFSVBA meeting to a person who knows what is going on with that batch of 34p and he said it was bad workmanship with the on going problems.....
yep. good to know region 5 knows about it. :) Hazard Alert (locker weld cracking) from the CEO has been released to do with these 10 specific appliances.
Quote from: ZippyK34 on March 13, 2008, 12:29:18 AM
QuoteI asked the question last week at a CFSVBA meeting to a person who knows what is going on with that batch of 34p and he said it was bad workmanship with the on going problems.....
yep. good to know region 5 knows about it. :) Hazard Alert (locker weld cracking) from the CEO has been released to do with these 10 specific appliances.
Can confirm. HAZARD release was sent to the 10 Brigades concerned. Got mine this week.
that appliance that was at the show was a reject. the amount of kids that wanted to go and have a look inside on the crew deck or even inside was incredible - and the amount of tears we got when we said it wasnt safe for them to go up there
Thats really good for PR.
The fire truck is unsafe for you to climb on, but we are meant to respond to emergencies with it.
Three big cheers for CFS.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Laughing Stock
That truck should not have been at the show and no one should have driven it if it was that bad.....
hey it was big and it looked good and the reason for not letting kids climb on was we didn't want to be responsible if they hurt them selves. :roll:
Yes i do think that kids should be able to climb on fire trucks :-D
Has anyone heard anything about the new new 34ps (ie 07/08) or the new 34s yet?
Quote from: bittenyakka on March 18, 2008, 06:55:04 PM
Has anyone heard anything about the new new 34ps (ie 07/08) or the new 34s yet?
Have seen 1 of the new 34's floating around, looks very similar to a 34P in design except for the rescue locker on the passengers side. Lets hope Varley can do a much better job with this years trucks. :|
Quote from: bittenyakka on March 18, 2008, 06:55:04 PM
Has anyone heard anything about the new new 34ps (ie 07/08) or the new 34s yet?
They're being built by Varley in NSW and are due mid year...
oh so later than last year, i thought they where running a bit late
Understand there are two floating around and being tested by TECH Services before the rest arrive,34p are due now end of July/August..dont ask what year....
Being that late maybe they are making sure all the bugs are ironed out before they produce a whole fleet of them. That would be the logical thing anyway.
I wonder if anyone who has seen them can comment on the trial versions bill mentions? Or a long lens could do the trick? :-D
A few pics of the new appliance was posted to ozfire in the last 6 weeks or so..... did you miss it bittenyacka :? :evil:
Pip
That was the new 34 not the 34P no?
yeah I thought that was the new 34 or that's what it was posted under
Yes the 34 looks nice, bit plain as far as striping goes etc. Would be keen to see pics of the 34p
Whoops , it was a 34..... :oops:
Pip
Was talking to someone at the top and there is one 34p floating around some where and two of the new 34's are also around being tested by the good people at TECH SERVICES.......
I saw a CFS truck on Thursday afternoon parked at the Registration & Licensing, driver training centre at Oaklands Road. Did not have a camera, but its build did look different.
does anyone know the progress of the new 34P's from Varley? have seen the 34 floating around but have not seen any pics or heard much of the 34p, anyone know any details?
Have'nt seen any yet but ill be on the lookout..camera at the ready :-D
best bet would be Summer before we see them.
why then zippy
i heard august?
because they are building the 10 non-pumper 34's first up?
Ye 34 Rural's first just in case money dry's up.......
Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on June 24, 2008, 07:04:26 AM
Ye 34 Rural's first just in case money dry's up.......
If the CFS has contracted Varley to build the 34P's then money shouldn't be an issue, it should have been set aside when the contract was signed...
adn isn't 1 lot being built at varley Newcastle and the others in queensland?
affirmative.
so you would think that they could be built at the same time?
Quote from: bittenyakka on June 25, 2008, 03:15:31 PM
so you would think that they could be built at the same time?
Don't be silly and try to bring logic into this, you know it won't work...
Yes the 34Ps are being built by the same company but in a different state. And there is no chance of CFS ordering trucks then running out of money.
Wow you're back Tiller man long time no see.
But there is a chance Stowage etc isn;t funded in the initial order and they run out of money for that.
Quote from: bittenyakka on July 30, 2008, 05:15:37 PM
But there is a chance Stowage etc isn;t funded in the initial order and they run out of money for that.
Even so, the appliances would be replacing already stowed ones, so there's no reason for them to hold back on delivery.
I can't see CFS not stowing a truck, things would have to be pretty bad to not be able to stow a truck, the gear is rubbish anyway, we send the old truck back with the new gear half the time so they may as well not bother.
Quote from: TillerMan on July 30, 2008, 04:53:14 PM
Yes the 34Ps are being built by the same company but in a different state.
And there is no chance of CFS ordering trucks then running out of money.
I wonder what the stowage component of a new truck is actually worth in the overall price ? So many have remarked that much of the equipment supplied is poor quality, would we be able to get more vehicles if purchased un-stowed?
I hear that they have kindergarten children in their craft lessons creating branches and other stowage for cfs trucks...
Quote from: 6739264 on August 04, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
I hear that they have kindergarten children in their craft lessons creating branches and other stowage for cfs trucks...
This is true, back when I was in kindy, I knitted a hose. It leaked a bit, but it was a pretty colour!
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Quote from: 6739264 on August 04, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
I hear that they have kindergarten children in their craft lessons creating branches and other stowage for cfs trucks...
This is true, back when I was in kindy, I knitted a hose. It leaked a bit, but it was a pretty colour!
I made mine out of macaroni, it got a bit soggy and was prone to snapping, but hey!
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Quote from: CFS_Firey on August 05, 2008, 12:01:15 AM
Quote from: 6739264 on August 04, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
I hear that they have kindergarten children in their craft lessons creating branches and other stowage for cfs trucks...
This is true, back when I was in kindy, I knitted a hose. It leaked a bit, but it was a pretty colour!
I made mine out of macaroni, it got a bit soggy and was prone to snapping, but hey!
Ahh, that must have gone to a truck with a working pump! Lucky brigade.
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Quote from: 6739264 on August 04, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
I hear that they have kindergarten children in their craft lessons creating branches and other stowage for cfs trucks...
This is true, back when I was in kindy, I knitted a hose. It leaked a bit, but it was a pretty colour!
I made mine out of macaroni, it got a bit soggy and was prone to snapping, but hey!
Numbers I saw this advert on the telly the other night and this guy from a company reckons, that he can drastically improve...... aah doesnt matter!
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Quote from: 6739264 on August 05, 2008, 12:03:15 AM
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Quote from: 6739264 on August 04, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
I hear that they have kindergarten children in their craft lessons creating branches and other stowage for cfs trucks...
This is true, back when I was in kindy, I knitted a hose. It leaked a bit, but it was a pretty colour!
I made mine out of macaroni, it got a bit soggy and was prone to snapping, but hey!
Numbers I saw this advert on the telly the other night and this guy from a company reckons, that he can drastically improve...... aah doesnt matter!
Hey Jaff, look mate, my soggy macaroni is none of your business! Unless... you want to make it your business ;)
Quote from: 6739264 on August 05, 2008, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: jaff on August 05, 2008, 12:19:10 AM
Quote from: 6739264 on August 05, 2008, 12:03:15 AM
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Quote from: 6739264 on August 04, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
I hear that they have kindergarten children in their craft lessons creating branches and other stowage for cfs trucks...
This is true, back when I was in kindy, I knitted a hose. It leaked a bit, but it was a pretty colour!
I made mine out of macaroni, it got a bit soggy and was prone to snapping, but hey!
Numbers I saw this advert on the telly the other night and this guy from a company reckons, that he can drastically improve...... aah doesnt matter!
Hey Jaff, look mate, my soggy macaroni is none of your business! Unless... you want to make it your business ;)
Naw, thanks anyway numbers , but I got this Mate his names Tony and he works in the construction business as a rigger we call him Rigger Tony, he might be interested. :-D
Quote from: jaff on August 05, 2008, 12:26:52 AM
Quote from: 6739264 on August 05, 2008, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: jaff on August 05, 2008, 12:19:10 AM
Quote from: 6739264 on August 05, 2008, 12:03:15 AM
Quote from: CFS_Firey on August 05, 2008, 12:01:15 AM
Quote from: 6739264 on August 04, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
I hear that they have kindergarten children in their craft lessons creating branches and other stowage for cfs trucks...
This is true, back when I was in kindy, I knitted a hose. It leaked a bit, but it was a pretty colour!
I made mine out of macaroni, it got a bit soggy and was prone to snapping, but hey!
Numbers I saw this advert on the telly the other night and this guy from a company reckons, that he can drastically improve...... aah doesnt matter!
Hey Jaff, look mate, my soggy macaroni is none of your business! Unless... you want to make it your business ;)
Naw, thanks anyway numbers , but I got this Mate his names Tony and he works in the construction business as a rigger we call him Rigger Tony, he might be interested. :-D
That is terrible, its late, go to bed, I'm filing an application to have you banned from making jokes on this forum for the rest of time.
Thats how bad that was ;)