Hi Everyone,
I have just been speaking to an old "Digger" mate I know who has been in the CFS for years. We were talking about the old days and I ended up asking him "why CFS trucks are painted white? he then told me it was because white was easier to obtain than pink, which was the colour everyone wanted back then.
Did you guys know about this? Should we try and go back to this colour?
A bright pink would stand out more in the smoke, traffic etc than white
Cheers
Sinker and bait attached, line cast..
Our old CFS Blitz was pink once, it got hit by a retardant drop. :lol:
CFA used to have pink apliances that where for perm/vol brigade's they did stand out well but very expensive to repaint and they did fade faster then the red ones....
CFA did have a handful which were a garish colour! I think they were a limited run of medium pumpers? And that particular style was only allocated to the larger, very busy brigades - the so-called 'integrated' brigades which had both permanent fireys and volunteer fireys.
That colour scheme didn't last long! Back to good old RED. (IMO one of the worst colours for visibility, but if it's what the public associate with 'fire' then why change?)
Brigade-owned stuff until recently has allowed to be either red or white, but I seem to recollect that CFA have now instructed that all appliances with fixed fire-fighting bodies must be red. (That would exclude the small 4WD cab-traybacks with a slipon tank and pump, which may be white.)
PS. Whilst QF&RS have red trucks (with red & blue lights) in the urban stations, their rural counterparts (who are in fact a division of QF&RS) are limited to yellow trucks with 'red only' warning beacons. And doesn't that difference in standards pi$$ the rural members right off!
TFS used to have some lime green pumpers.....
yep definitely...
we should repaint them all hot pink....
:wink:
Hey Mack, you got in trouble on my other thread :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
how about lime green?
You would have to agree the yanks have some bright colour fire appliances from red to yellow to purple and blue......
How about we have fire trucks the same colour as the Forestry SA Fire Kings :-)
How bout No.
Any colour would do me!
For info it was Fred Kerr who decided that all CFS trucks would be white, this was back when there was mixture of Red, White, Yellow and Green trucks around the state. There was a big debate at the time over Red V White but Kerr did some investigation and found that White was the most visible.
Quote from: K99 on October 22, 2007, 04:19:23 PM
Hey Mack, you got in trouble on my other thread :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
yeh... im not quite sure why though as i posted a reasonable reply.
:roll:
Fred Kerr was right, multiple studies have all indicated that white painted vehicles are easier to be seen than red. Although lime green scored very highly as well. Combine white with some retroreflective strips and you get an appliance that can be seen in most conditions i.e night/day/fog/smoke.
Quote from: mack on October 23, 2007, 01:24:44 PM
Quote from: K99 on October 22, 2007, 04:19:23 PM
Hey Mack, you got in trouble on my other thread :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
yeh... im not quite sure why though as i posted a reasonable reply.
:roll:
MACK
You didn't get in trouble your post just happened to be above the one that closed the thread. Mack you often make a lot of sense and I am unlikely to close threads because of you....Apart from if there is blatant swearing.
firefrog - no problems then, didnt think i had done anything much to warrant it. the thread had gone a fair bit off track before my post. ;)
I had read some interesting articles of late regarding Visual Psychology (that's right, there are such things as Visual Psychologist!). White vehicles are researched as being the most overtly recognisable colour on Australian Roads, however the percentage of white vehicles, trucks, cars, etc incurs a certain level of commonalities. Other emergency services throughout the world have recognised this and you would note that in the UK the base line colour for most Ambulances is Yellow or Silver (for response cars).
With saying this, white is also probably the most cost effective colour to purchase as most, if not all vehicle manufacturers would have a white baseline model available. The MFS in the 1990s brought a number of Isuzu 500 Dual Cabs as a light pumper body, and had to have them repainted, at a significant cost to the tax payer. So I at the end of the day can see the justification of white vehicles.
However... Personal view, and being one who like to stand out of the crowd! I like the ACTFB fleet colour, fluro yellow/green. Definitely Stands Out
Quote from: JamesGar on October 24, 2007, 12:46:09 PM
...I like the ACTFB fleet colour, fluro yellow/green. Definitely Stands Out
Also, the back of the new SAAS ambulances have the yellow/green V's which standout. Not sure if they standout because they are so different to anything else currently on the road or the colours.
SAAS changed colours because the CEO is a POM :wink:
Quote from: SA Firey on October 27, 2007, 02:38:35 PM
SAAS changed colours because the CEO is a POM :wink:
yeh im pretty sure thats the only reason..... :roll: lol
the new colours on the ambulances look good IMO, but i get the feeling from a few mates on the job that they have caused some controversy...
I think they look good white plus all the other advantages listed i.e. cost, visibility, ease to repair the colour if paint work is required.
I think the only other paint that would look good would be whit on top of red similar to Q.F.R.S. that look o.k. in my opinion!
Lets go right out there and paint them Teal. :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: jasec on November 01, 2007, 06:24:31 PM
Lets go right out there and paint them Teal. :-D :-D :-D
Would that then give the trucks more "POWER" :-D
Quote from: SA Firey on October 27, 2007, 02:38:35 PM
SAAS changed colours because the CEO is a POM :wink:
*rolls eyes* - So it had nothing to do with the research & Vehicle development group?
Quote from: Darcyq on November 08, 2007, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: jasec on November 01, 2007, 06:24:31 PM
Lets go right out there and paint them Teal. :-D :-D :-D
Would that then give the trucks more "POWER" :-D
As long as you dont drive them on grand final day. :-D
Hey guys while we are on this topic I was driving to work the other day up the freeway and come across an accident, sitting on the verge was bridgewaters pumper with i think dayglow yellow and blue i cant remember haha.:roll: Has anyone got any pictures of the new look pumper to share?
Has anyone seen the new colours on bridgewater pumper??? OH MY GOD who ever paid for and signed off on that needs help...There are photos of it on www.ozfire.com
here's a poor quality photo
Quote from: rescue5271 on November 09, 2007, 05:00:06 AM
Has anyone seen the new colours on bridgewater pumper??? OH MY GOD who ever paid for and signed off on that needs help...There are photos of it on www.ozfire.com
Can you deny it makes the truck more visible?
Also, it's http://ozfire.org (http://ozfire.org) not ozfire.com
Actual thread is http://www.ozfire.org/viewtopic.php?t=6254 (http://www.ozfire.org/viewtopic.php?t=6254)
That link won't help people who are non-registered members.
It'll help more than the wrong URL will though... ;)
I swear that there is a group of people somewhere... Perhaps the "SA Emergency Services Fluro Colour Co-Ordination Group" That meets and discusses how to make SA Emergency Vehicles look like trash.
SAESFCCG: "Hahaha Lets tell them the fluro pink on PPE makes them stand out and gives a 85% increase in visibility"
SAMFS: "Ah why thank you, now there is scientific reason for us to look retarded on the fireground!"
Quote from: Darius on November 09, 2007, 06:47:46 AM
here's a poor quality photo
LOL ! That much red & yellow will give the conspiracy theorists unlimited
goss-fodder & confusion about just who is going to take over the CFS.
Will it be MFS or DEH !!
Keeps everyone happy. ;-)
Quote from: 6793264 on November 09, 2007, 06:42:05 PM
I swear that there is a group of people somewhere... Perhaps the "SA Emergency Services Fluro Colour Co-Ordination Group" That meets and discusses how to make SA Emergency Vehicles look like trash.
SAESFCCG: "Hahaha Lets tell them the fluro pink on PPE makes them stand out and gives a 85% increase in visibility"
SAMFS: "Ah why thank you, now there is scientific reason for us to look retarded on the fireground!"
Its not just in our state Victoria are experimenting with some weird schemes, also in QLD as well. So that department you talk about must be federal :-D
Quote from: CFS_Firey on November 09, 2007, 06:32:54 PM
It'll help more than the wrong URL will though... ;)
True.
So did anyone on the CFS equipment/vehicle committee have any input into this or did the group do it of its own back?? Hey it sure got my attention and those of others I sent the photos too but would look better on a red truck. Why did the group go this way ?? I know there is a freeway that runs along the hills if that was the problem then why not close a lane or better still better use command cars/police to slow traffic down..... I sure would like to know who paid for it????
It is an initiative of the mt lofty group to improve safety to those appliances that respond regularly to the freeway.
And is paid out of their own pocket. (maybe a subsidy from CFS but i doubt it.)
regular look overs of Respond to Road Crash training material would be good to do for Freeway responders, especially since they regularly have to put traffic cones a few hundred metres before the accident.
plenty of Traffic cones and E Flares would do the trick ;)
Quote from: Darius on November 09, 2007, 06:47:46 AM
here's a poor quality photo
That colour stiping is also used on Scottish Fire Trucks but it is a good idea for the RCR brigades who regulary respond to RCR's on the freeway
Hey Guys I work for the Department of Transport Energy and Infrastructure on the freeway our depot at littlehampton looks after from the bottom to callington. I have been pushing for us to respond to accidents on our roads and the freeway so we can manage the traffic control and clean up I dont think it should be up the the cfs at all!
not a silly idea. The UK have massive trucks that responds to incidents on motorways for just that reason. they carry about 10 000 cones and flares, and have more colour than the bottom of the dunny bowl on a sunday morning....plus they're huge, so anyone not paying attention hits that instead of anyone working!
Quote from: boredmatrix on November 10, 2007, 02:45:57 PM
not a silly idea. The UK have massive trucks that responds to incidents on motorways for just that reason. they carry about 10 000 cones and flares, and have more colour than the bottom of the dunny bowl on a sunday morning....plus they're huge, so anyone not paying attention hits that instead of anyone working!
So do other states in Australia. - Think it is definately something SA should be looking at.
Quote from: JamesGar on October 24, 2007, 12:46:09 PM
However... Personal view, and being one who like to stand out of the crowd! I like the ACTFB fleet colour, fluro yellow/green. Definitely Stands Out
Me Too
Me too!
police bumper cars like in NZ
:-D Can I put in a vote for pink and purple polka dots on a white background (they would be fluorecent of course to stand out in the dark) perhaps change the flashing lights to pink and purple also and lets get matching uniforms while we are at it
Quote from: Davi on January 28, 2008, 05:18:35 PM
:-D Can I put in a vote for pink and purple polka dots on a white background (they would be fluorecent of course to stand out in the dark) perhaps change the flashing lights to pink and purple also and lets get matching uniforms while we are at it
Ahh Bobo Clown F.B.