SA Firefighter

I was wondering what everyone else thinks about CFS wallets.

I would like to see something simlar to the pictures below, but with CFS star.  Eg. Something that we can put our CFS ID's in but also have a metal CFS star badge.

I know if they were available I would purchase one.

What are your thought's?

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What is the price range ??

This is the price that the NSW ones sell for.

$65.00 Does not matter which card size.

This information was from http://www.museumoffire.com.au

I think the wallets wouldnt be a problem, but the badge (star) might be knocked back for use by CFS... due to the problems that may occur, with mis-use...  etc etc..

I can see some undesirables using them for the wrong reason.

I like but the price is a little step,CFA used to have one that sold for $25 and was the same size as NSW,again the badge is a problem with mis use by some. But hey lets give it a go may be a good item for the CFS shop????

What Do You Mean By Mis-Use?

I Could See Some People Flashing It In An Attempt To Get Out Of A Speeding Fine & Other Stuff Like That But Thats It.  I Have Sent A Request Of To The Company To Get A Price On One With The CFS Star.

Quote from: CyberCitizenWhat Do You Mean By Mis-Use?

I Could See Some People Flashing It In An Attempt To Get Out Of A Speeding Fine & Other Stuff Like That But Thats It.  I Have Sent A Request Of To The Company To Get A Price On One With The CFS Star.

Things like exactly that, would damage the reputation of the CFS.... Supplying people with a tool, that has the potential to be mis used, is like giving little children real weapons when playing cow boys and indians!

What's The Difference Between The Wallet's With The Logo Or The CFS ID's?

A lot, for a start, I can get almost any english stations ID wallets on E-Bay, where as ID cards have to have your actual picture in them and you need to be a registered member to get an ID card, and before you say only registered members can get the wallets, it only takes one or two people to quit and you will have them for sale somewhere before long, a lot harder to flog off an ID badge with someone's face on it.

But having said that I would not mind having one.

Quoteit only takes one or two people to quit and you will have them for sale somewhere

Only too true, we had a batch of leather pager holders made once (for the original style all those years ago).... a few years later we a few being sold at the local second hand shop. Thankfully the owner was very understanding and returned them without to much hasstle.........

Goodtimes,

I see your point.  What if there was a registered kept at headquaters with like a serial number ingraved on the star so that if one ever did come up for sale it could be traced back to the original owner.  Just a thought, I mean I can see your point however I still think they are cool & I would like one.

I honestly don't think it will ever happen, and if it does, i don't think it will have CFS approval.....

LIke I said, there are just way to many ways in which such an item could be mis-used, weather by CFS members, or if it got into the wrong hands......

You could always ask your region about it,better still I read that cfs is going to have a shop for items that we can buy so may be this would be a good item that they could sell. I know it would sell well and there are ways to keep a track on who has what.

I really don't think mis-use will be an issue... Police won't accept a CFS badge as a reason not to give a fine, and members that are that inclined could do that now, with a cfs sticker, or belt clip, which are already available... or even to don their yellows, and abuse the power that comes with that... (just an observation)

CFS_firey,

Thats true.  I have a CFS number plate sign around my number plate, which has Country Fire Service accross the top & Fire Fighter along the bottom.

I also have a reflective helmet sticker on the back of the car, which is red & the person tailing me when they have there lights on at night makes the sticker glow really well.

Until the CFS shop opens I will have to live with Fire & Rescue @ Blackwood.

Hi Guys and Girls.
In reply to the NSWFB wallets, I would certainly buy a CFS wallet if we had them available.
Cheers Todd

I Would Too, However I Think That They Would Only Look Good With The CFS Star Not The Taxi Sign, So If They Have The Taxi Sign I Wouldn't Buy One, It Just Wouldn't Look Right.

SAPol issue photo id's to compliment their wallets/badges to overcome the problem of souvenir badges. Maybe CFS could adopt this approach and have one compliment the other and also prevent that rogue element.

One the other hand, there is already a badge produced, for the akubra style hats, it's only 50mm, not the normal 70mm of other badges, but it could be introduced instead of the other services badges to create an SA option?????

Ultimately it's just another form of CFS association - as with shirts, name badges, car stickers and alike - most places these days won't accept any ID (badge or no badge) without a formal photograph.

Still trying to work out why we would need one ??

We Don't Need One, I Just Thought It Would Be A Good Idea & Wanted To See If Anyone Else Was Interested In The Idea.

I think with the current ID cards that are available, it is just a cost that isnt really required.  And as i have stated, there is too much potential for people to use them innapropriately.

I dont see to big a problem with it. Its not an added cost for people as, if you dont want one...... dont buy it. Im pretty the it was ment to be considered as a personal item.

As for the misuse of them.... The potential is there, as we all voiced originally..... but its there for anything we do.

Hey,

Just been reading about the wallet. I think it would be a good idea, I would buy one.

As for people mis-using it I really dont think that any decent CFS member would go around mis-using something like that.

Decent members.  maybe not......  but............



Hey look, I got no problem with the idea, just think they arent required, and yea, why do we need a wallet with a badge?? We're not cops.

I think it would be a nice collectable. I would not be in favour if it was some type of official thing.

A tasteful high quality wallet would be a nice thing to have for the enthusiastic memorabilia collectors, or anyone else that might like one.

Back when I joined the CFS all the youngies in our brigade were climbing over themselves (me included) to get fire/rescue belt buckles. We loved them - Not everyone's cup of tea but we enjoyed the research and comparison when we got a nice new one.

^  Likes that idea.   Also would love to see one of these belt buckles!  :D

I Just Thought It Would Be A Nice Idea, Something That Members Can Buy If They Want.  I Thought It Would Be A Nice Collectable, Something To Show With Pride.

As For The Belt Buckles, You Can Get Once From Fire & Rescue, Don't Think Its The Same One Your Talking About, However I Got One & I Never Used It.

Are the belt buckles just printed or engraved with the FARA logo?  or are they a corporate Fire Service logo ?

I Will Scan An Image In Tonight If I Get A Chance.

They Are Not Bad I Believe That Have The CFS Star In The Back Ground With Fire Trucks & Equipment On Top Of The Logo.

Will Post The Image Tonight.

Locked By Mistake, Now Unlocked.

in regards to wallets, id buy one because it sounds prettyc cool, not quite sure how you would abuse the use of it, sounds like a strange idea to me.

the belt buckles.... i have a cfs one that is black, just says CFS and has a truck on it...  there not too bad.

Re the use of abusing such an item.

anything can be abused by the wrong people.

Something like what has been discussed, could easily be used to impersonate Police officers, or such agencies which carry "Star" badges, etc.

Yes, not every one would, but there is always "one" person out there who always seems to manage to do the wrong thing.

Quote from: strikeathird on July 10, 2005, 11:24:15 PM
Something like what has been discussed, could easily be used to impersonate Police officers, or such agencies which carry "Star" badges, etc.

Yes, not every one would, but there is always "one" person out there who always seems to manage to do the wrong thing.

That One Person, Would That Be You???

As For The Mis-Use Of Wallets That Carry Stars, I Don't Know If You Have Noticed, But SAPOL Must Show There Badge & Police ID Card.  Without The Use Of The Police ID Card, A Wallet With A Badge Is Not An Acceptable Form Of ID.

Tell that to the 17.9 million Australians who don;t know that.  (Oh, and by the way, the official SAPOL badge is enough proof of Identification, thus why U/C and detectives sometimes where them on there belts, over pockets, etc etc. If asked for further ID, they can flip it over and produce the Picture and the rest of there ID card.)


Im just giving my opinion on this topic.   I dont think CFS will ever endorse it, nor do i think they will give it support.  They offer an ID card at the moment, which I believe is good enough.

If you want to go buy wallets, with fancy star badges that you can flip out and show to people, go your hardest.

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Thanks corocfs,

Haven't Had The Time To Scan It In Yet.

Doesnt look too bad at all.

Are they still available.....    Little collectors item.

you can get them from Fire and Rescue in blackwood

for anyone interested in this old thread...

www.bbfb.org.au/tfswallets.htm

(http://www.bbfb.org.au/tfswallet.htm)

OMGWTF's link doesn't work, however you can get to the page by going to http://www.bbfb.org.au/ and clicking on "Form" under the link to "home"...

Unfortunetly They Can Not Use The CFS Star Or Corp Logo.

So It Would Only Be The One That Is Displayed.

It Was Nice To Know That I Wasn't The Only One That Wanted A Nice Wallet To Show My Support.

Yeah guys they are available I have seen them with a metal star about 4 inches high.They are flip out style with an area to put your photo ID in as well. Someone must have a photo that can be posted here for all to see? :mrgreen: :evil:

Hey Guys, We were issued these months ago by our Group Equipment Officer.They do help with speeding tickets as well :wink: :wink:

K99,

Thats Not The Purpose Of Them, However That Would Be An Added Bonus.

Could You Ask Your Group Equipment Officer When He Ordered Them From???

Also Is There A Chance You Could Post A Photo Of One?

here is a photo

Where is the photo?

Yes Where Is The Photo :-D

Quote from: K99 on November 02, 2005, 11:52:13 AM
Hey Guys, We were issued these months ago by our Group Equipment Officer.They do help with speeding tickets as well :wink: :wink:

Right................... :roll:

I have recently moved from the city to the country and have joined the cfs. could someone please tell me how you could abuse a cfs badge?. I have been told if you get caught speeding to your station its your problem and the police will issue a fine.  8-)

A couple of months back we received the "wallet size" officer id at the request of one of out Lt's. It still has the Richmond Rd, Keswick address for state HQ on it. Hmmmmmmmm

So where are these photo's ??

Some One Has Posted This Item On Ebay.

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Other Items The User Is Selling, Has Some Emergency Services Patches And A  Few Other Things. (http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZvicmedic1968)

looks like they've stuck an old helmet sticker in there to me.....  :-P

They Did, Its A Helmet Sticker, They Are More Of An ID Badge Holder, Something For Your CFS ID, The Flip Bit Is Magnetic To Sit Over Your Pocket & Hold Itself There, There Is A Small Compartment For Notes But That's About It.

I Think Its The Closest We Are Going To Get Regarding CFS Wallets.

Just checked the ebay site that was given earlier....the person is even selling the new SA SES badge which has not been officially released yet. I understand some argument exists over the use of the crown on the SA SES badge and I am waiting to see what the final badge/uniform will look like.

Looks like you can get anything if you really try hard !!

Maybe someone could start up a trade on ebay with clothes with the CFS star on ....... now that would be a GREAT IDEA!

Yeah Thats True The Amount Of People That Want Stuff With The Star On It Still.

However I Don't Think The CFS Would Like It Considering The Amount Of Money They Spent On The New Logo (Martketing).

Quote from: CyberCitizen on January 31, 2006, 10:53:37 AM
However I Don't Think The CFS Would Like It Considering The Amount Of Money They Spent On The New Logo (Martketing).

As long as the person didn't break any of ebay's rules, theres nothing the CFS could do about it...

As Far as selling stuff with the star on it... im sure there is nothing CFS can do about it.. unless it is there property (helmets/turnout gear/etc) or it is copyrighted.

The official CFS star appears in a schedule to the CFS Regs and I believe, legally, requires CFS "Board" permission for use.

Even if this is true it's a bit hard to enforce I'd think.

As Kat pointed out (good to see things don't change - she's always on her toes) there is a schedule that regulates the production of the star - but if someone still had a stock or they were old/historical/memorabilia items - mmmmmm I think CFS would be pushing it up hill with a pointy stick!