Recently we did CABA training but with a little twist a game of soccer and it went very well,do other brigades do anything like this....
it would be highly amusing it some little kids walked by when you guys were in that gear/.... "MUMMY the aliens have taken the firemen's gear... and they r playing soccer!!!"
:evil: :-D :-D
I can see the OH&S forms.....
We'd have two very knackered players and a lot of entertained spectators in our brigade. Good idea though!
Recruitment drive suggestion no 4; play BA soccer along the main street.
Hope it wasn't written down as "BA training" :wink:
Um I thinks it would require most of the BA operators in the group.
So does the game last 1 tank of air per player.
QuoteSo does the game last 1 tank of air per player.
That'll be a six pack thanks :wink:
bahahahaha...
Excellent pickup.. Was writing the same myself when I read your post. ;)
OHS forms where not needed as it was a friendly game,now come on you can only do so much of the real training why not make it fun and get members involved..The sad part about training is that some people will just not give it ago...OHSW has killed all the fun of training.(no cars or ppe or fence) where hurt in our training session but all members worked well as a team and did a great fun night.not sure who won as I was called away....
OH&S may have "killed all the fun", but your lucky no one went down with heat stress.. (I can see BA, with PBI, Flashoods and structural helmets being worn by some operators).. Also playing on a non sealed, wet surface.. What if someone went arse up and landed on their back with a set on ?
But you seem to be an educated person so i'm sure you don't need me telling you all the ' What Ifs ' ...
Everything's so dangerous, I'm surprised some of you guys get out of bed in the mornings!
We sure do need to have a little fun, but within parameters. It helps with the team spirit and bonding thing.
Quote from: Darius on February 02, 2007, 01:37:44 PM
Everything's so dangerous, I'm surprised some of you guys get out of bed in the mornings!
Now c'mon.. I do understand what you are saying, but I dont think Structural Fire fighting equipment was being used at its best in this situation..
But heck, thats my view.. Play all the outdoor sports you want in fire fighting gear if you like.. Like I said don't let one view on a forum stop you.. Im just giving my personal views on the use of Structural turnout gear being used in such a situation.. We have had enough difficulty getting PBI and being allowed to wear it at structural fires, yet alone playing a soccer game in it..
There was a red helmet there so obviously some people don't mind..
anyway.. moving on.
Looks like a lot of fun.
Although i do find it concerning some members chose to wear there PBI & Flashhoods. But its there choice.
I think we need to get the SACFS cricket team started...get the whole state involved :lol:
Come on Aussie...Howzat
And NO not wearing BA!
well that would make it a midwinter sport in the night sometime to prevent getting to hot in PBI
Or PBI could be used for its intended purpose.. Structural FIREFIGHTING!
There was a red helmet there so obviously some people don't mind..
At least there is one wearing PPE and a structure helmet :-P :lol:
Its all fun,and that is what is needed in training,sure we need to make sure that we do it by the bible but now and then its good to have a little fun and to be part of a team working in a differant area.We are human and its time that we started to enjoy training and all that is intended in a session..On the night it was cold as there was a nice rain storm on its way....
Most brigades don't have access to a structure to burn down, and hence can't test out how far they can push themselves, while dressed in PBI Gold....
Having some activity, where crews work physically hard, while dressed in their PBI Gold, might give them an idea of how hot they get, while working hard....
I'd hate to have my crews go out, to a going structure fire, dressed in PBI Gold for the first time...... (since not everyone who has done a BA Course, has done it in PBI Gold)
Pip
Maybe I need to be a little less anal retentive when it comes to protocol.. But you have to understand I think you would be on your own if a firefighter went down with heat stress and it was found he/she was playing soccer in PBI, BA, Flashood and a structural firefighting helmet.. Again, just going back on OH&S..
All this after it was such a battle for some brigades just to get the stuff in the first place..
But, what ever floats your boat.. :-)
Quote from: SA Firey on February 03, 2007, 10:36:11 AM
I think we need to get the SACFS cricket team started...get the whole state involved :lol:
Come on Aussie...Howzat
And NO not wearing BA!
Thats a great idea, have a region Vs region comp.
we have a match coming up with the police soon here in Naracoorte if anyone wants to join in......
So come on lets get this SACFS cricket team happening...most other cricket is played on a Saturday so we could play on a Sunday.
I've done BA training on playground equipment. I highly recommend it. Two of us just followed the Lt up, over, through, around the play equipment, I went through most of my air from laughing so hard! We even climbed right up over the monkey bars - made me appreciate what you actually are capable of in full gear, and also the limitations of the set and thinking about twisting to get it through a tight squeeze and under a platform. Fantastic training. Not moving fast by any stretch of the imagination but using every muscle. Boy was I sore the next day! :-D
Firstly Is this Cricket in BA or not?
would teams be made from groups or brigades or 3 different brigades?
If people are so against the idea of CABA soccer/sports
does anyone have any other ideas of FUN things that can be done while wearing ba for training??
Quote from: Firey9119 on January 03, 2008, 03:28:58 PM
If people are so against the idea of CABA soccer/sports
does anyone have any other ideas of FUN things that can be done while wearing ba for training??
swimming.....
it does actually work.
momentarily.
don't knock it till you have tryed it and the troops like to do more fun things with CABA in a safe manner....
S&R Drill in creative locations?
kk stop not picking on training methods.
now wat about this
SACFS cricket team?
lol
country kid
CABA "Marks Up" works well until the first person decides to add tackling... :wink:
Quote from: Firey9119 on January 03, 2008, 03:28:58 PM
If people are so against the idea of CABA soccer/sports
does anyone have any other ideas of FUN things that can be done while wearing ba for training??
Whatever you would normally do, but do it in BA.
Monthly meeting is much more fun done in BA.
Any of those team-building activities in the cadets manual.
Fireman's Football. Oh, sorry, that's now called Fire-fighter's Football.
Rattling donations tins around the local pubs.
In December, wander around the neighbourhood singing christmas carols.
Well, you did ask... :wink:
So that then leads to the logical conclusion of certain 'recreational' activities being undertaking in CABA.
Oh my, think of the chafing and O2 use!
Does not look real profesional, how about you do a proper B.A. exercise instead that will get your hearts pumping!
I'm all for fun nights but lose the B.A. sets!
Can just imagine what other services would say!
Well I have seen other service's both staff and volunteer do the same thing,lets see i have seen a CFA staff station play basketball of late then there was a brigade who played tennis in them and last of all there was abrigade who had a BBQ with members cooking ....Training is all about learning and waht you as a team member can do with other members in that team.....
Quote from: 6739264 on January 20, 2008, 11:03:14 AM
Oh my, think of the chafing and O2 use!
O2 eh? Nice high using a cylinder of straight O2 for BA...
Quote from: mack on January 20, 2008, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: 6739264 on January 20, 2008, 11:03:14 AM
Oh my, think of the chafing and O2 use!
O2 eh? Nice high using a cylinder of straight O2 for BA...
It all adds to the experience.
Also did you know that an inverted water extinguisher fits into a CABA set perfectly?
Makes for interesting water fights...
Just seems a waste of time why don't you try actual fire related tasks in breathing apparatus, plenty you can do!
Here's another idea why don't you train you guys how to don their PPE correctly as you have one guy with a flash hood on wrong and another in level 1 gear.
there is no rule that says BA = level3/Pbi Ba = use it when you can use the protection. so if you are protecting a house at a bushfire with huge smoke and you want the cool clean air that BA gives you use it for crying out loud don't say
" I can't I only have level 1 gear on"
BA was used by crews at the NSW Blue Mountains 2001 fires when it became an irrespirable atmosphere because of the smoke.I was the one who recommissioned them at Winmalee. :wink:
If you have to use it to save your life and your qualified go for it.
Cricket sounds good as long as we can play backyard pub style.....
Greco-Roman Wrestling... Actually, what a horrifying idea!
Bittenyakka your missing the point I'm saying if you are going to use your BA sets at training instead of just wearing it playing soccer why don't you get you guys to don their PPE correctly and train in procedures that they are going to use when they respond down the street to maximise the time spent at training as it is only once a week.
I hear what your saying but there is plenty they could do instead of just kicking around a ball i.e search and rescue procedures, door entries, hose work, using ladders and the list goes on.
yeah i agree with maximizing the use of time spent trainig. and yeah i may have missed the point
If you are looking for an easy to setup BA drill here is one I ran last night.
Stay with me as it takes a bit of explaining;
Appliance is positioned at the rear of our station, crews begin about 5m away
1) Whistle blows, stopwatch starts and two operators head for the vehicle and don sets and start up, (penalties for not conducting a positive pressure test, negative pressure test, PPE not done up correctly etc etc)
2) High pressure line ran out approximately 40 metres, branch is placed inside a cone (if the branch drops on the ground it is a penalty)
Crews run to next stage approximately 10 metres away
3) Four full foam drums are carried approximately 20 metres and placed within coned off area
4) Pickup dead fred from nearby and correctly carry him approximately 60m around a series of cones
Fred is put down at next to a ladder
5) Pitch ladder against the station
6) Bowl out 2 lengths of 38mm hose, connect hose to hydrandt - connect branch and advance hose and brach up ladder, deliver small amount of water from top of ladder - second person foots ladder (penalties for any breaches of FGP's, not doing a leglock etc)
7) Crew then run back to the hydrant (approximately 20m) bowl out a 64mm hose and fill a plastic drum
8) Turn off 64mm hose, then head back to the ladder where the person that didn't go aloft the first time goes up, he advances the hose and delivers water from the top of the ladder(same penalties apply)
9) Strike the ladder and head back to the casualty, carry casualty back around the obstacles to where you originally picked him up from
10) Put down casualty at original spot, then pickup the four foam drums and take them back to their original spot
11) This brings you back to near where the high pressure line brach was - pickup the brach and take it back to the appliance
12) Clock stops when both crew touch the appliance
It all sounds a bit confusing I know, you really need to see it drawn out on the map to understand but it does actually work pretty well.
We managed to put 10 people through it last night and had times ranging from 12mins down to about 8 1/2. At the conclusion of each run we would go through the penalties and put them all up on the white board - originally we were going to add 10 seconds per penalty but we ended up just using it as an example for the next crews of what not to do.
Everyone involved said they enjoyed it, even though most of them were buggered after having run hard for about 10mins with BA on. It is definately something we will look at doing again.
For about 10 mins of setup work it is an easy way of getting people practicing actual fire fighting skills whilst working hard and still having fun.
If you want any more info let me know - happy to help.
Matt,where SAAS on stand by?? only joking sounds like a good training session..
Yeah thats okay if you actually DO have a hydrant outside your station :?
Still waiting :-P
Come on Jeff cant you happy people put it in yourself's????
Great exercise Matt. If you get a chance, it would be good to see a map as i think that could be well adapted for the area we have...
Cheers
I've had a couple of other requests so I will try and put something together over the next week or so, the good thing about this though is that it is totall adaptable to your own area.
You could replace the foam drums with boxes of paper if you want, just as long as it gets people moving around at practicing their skills. Maybe next time I will incorporate some search techniques and as well as correct door entry tactics.
Did you put it on Film Matt???
No I didn't Bill, I was too busy recovering after running it myself.
Matt
IMNSHO, this is the sort of event that should take over from some of the
drills at comps. Have you put it forward to the committee ?
cheers
AJ