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Fire Alarms
« on: November 04, 2006, 06:13:26 PM »
Now go forth and discuss the wonders of that false sometimes real alarm.  :-)

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Re: False Alarms
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2006, 06:37:09 PM »
Tell me how a false alarm can be a real alarm. It cant happen.
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Re: False Alarms
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2006, 06:58:47 PM »
picky picky, I mean fire alarm.  Most consider them false but they can turn out to be real, savvy?

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Re: False Alarms
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2006, 07:08:31 PM »
ok,lets look at why a smoke or thermal goes off, well it is due to the fact that the sensor has picked up something at the time but by the time the brigade arrives the problem is gone. So is it a false alarm? or did the unit do its job and send an alarm.... Did you know that most country hospitals have now banned the use of talcum powder for a number of reasons and one of these being that it would set smoke alarms off...Once again the unit did its job... Most fire alarms go of for a reason and hence a call out you arrive look for any sign of smoke and leave,but did you ask staff any questions? like what the room/area is used for,was spray or powder used,was the room being cleaned.... So all in all its not a false alarm but a human error its not the FIPS fault its human problem..


Now this week i could not believe what I was seeing,while doing some work at a clients the FIP went into alarm,local brigade turned out to the site in private cars and no fire appliances when I asked wheres the truck they said its always a false alarm!!!!!!! Hello Filtered....
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Re: False Alarms
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2006, 07:30:54 PM »
I know of a brigade that did that once. They had a private alarm one afternoon and it went off later that night again so a LT decided to go out in his car to just have a look and guess what the place was on fire this time. Who knows maybe it wasnt a false alarm earlier?
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Re: False Alarms
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2006, 07:40:13 PM »
Most false alarms we go to are people burning the dinner. therefore the alarm did it's job but it does get a little repeditive.

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Re: False Alarms
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2006, 01:06:30 PM »
Bill is correct, even by calling them false alarms in the title of this thread implies that all alarm calls we go to will be false. Lets get real people, these are fire alarms, they activate and alert you to the fact that there could be a fire, sure 90% of the time there is non fire related reason for them activating but until you go and investigate the area properly you cannot ever know.

Brigades rolling out 1 up or in a private vehicle to check them is just plain unacceptable (I won't mention the urban fringe group whose DGO goes out to most alarms in his Command Car to investigate). Bill you should be mentioning to the Regional Commander what you saw.

SOP 4.5 in the COSO's explains it all beautifully.

SA COUNTRY FIRE SERVICE – CHIEF OFFICER’S STANDING ORDERS & STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES

Automatic/Monitored Fire Alarms SOP 4.5


Aim:

To provide procedures for response to automatic fire alarms in CFS areas.

Scope:

Applies to Brigades responsible for responding to premises with automatic or monitored fire
alarms.

Procedure:
Call Receipt:

When a CFS Brigade is responded to an Automatic Fire Alarm that is monitored
by the Romtech concentrator located at State Headquarters:
A Brigade representative must confirm receipt of page with the State Operations Call
Centre within six minutes of receiving page
Acknowledgement of receipt of page can be confirmed via telephone or radio

If the SOCC operator does not receive any confirmation that the Brigade has
received the response within six (6) minutes of the message being sent, SOCC
will dispatch the designated default Brigade

Response Procedure:

If no fire is visible, the following procedure shall occur:

The first arriving appliance OIC shall attend the Fire Indicator Panel, determine the affected
circuit (either detection and/or suppression) and investigate

The second arriving appliance (if applicable) shall attend the hydrant booster cabinet or
closest water source

Crews donned in CABA will undertake investigation of the affected circuit. They should be
prepared to undertake offensive fire fighting and rescue if required

Any additional appliances shall be positioned or staged at the direction of the Incident
Controller.

Automatic Alarm Procedures:
The affected alarm circuit(s) which are operating must not be reset or
isolated until the Incident Controller has ensured that a thorough check
of the designated circuit is completed and the affected detector in the
alarm circuit has been identified or other such cause has been
determined
In the case of sprinkler system, the area affected shall be thoroughly
investigated prior to any action being taken at the sprinkler valve
box/room isolation.

Management Notification Procedure

The Incident Controller will ensure that the management of the premises is:

Notified of the alarm activation and the fire service action taken

Informed of their obligation to arrange for the fire alarm to be examined by a

suitable technician to ensure that the system is operating correctly

Where management of the premises or a person of authority is not in attendance, they
must be contacted as soon as possible to advise of CFS attendance and the above
obligations

The name and position of the person advised must be recorded on the CFS Alarm

Attendance Book.

November 2004 2 of 2 Standard Operating Procedure 4.5


SA COUNTRY FIRE SERVICE – CHIEF OFFICER’S STANDING ORDERS & STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES

Reset of Circuits

Attending crews shall ascertain the precise cause of the circuit(s) operating and initiate the
following process

Where the cause is known and the condition, which caused the activation, is no longer
present, the circuit(s) shall be reset

Where the cause of activation is undetermined (no apparent cause), the circuit(s) shall be
assumed to be faulty and should be left isolated

Where the cause of the activation is undetermined and the circuit will not reset, the circuit
shall be left isolated

Isolation of Circuits

If a condition causing the activation continues to exist, the circuit(s) shall be isolated.
Management may reset the circuit when the condition ceases.

Where the circuit is isolated, management of the premises must be notified that they are
without automatic fire alarm coverage to the affected areas/circuit(s) and that they must
phone contact the appropriate fire service directly for an emergency

Fire Alarm Log Book

All attendances and action taken when responding to Automatic Fire Alarms shall be
recorded in the “Fire Alarm Log Book” which is kept at the Fire Indicator Panel
All entries shall be accompanied by the Officer’s name in block letters and signature


The Officer attending the Fire Indicator Panel or sprinkler system shall also complete the
Fire Alarm Call Out Report Form, which may be found attached to the Fire Alarm Log
Book

Security

Where CFS held keys are used to gain entry into premises, the Incident Controller shall
ensure the premises are left secure and that all building services, if utilised, are
returned to normal operation

Brigades must ensure that any keys held by the brigade are maintained in a secure, locked
location, with the station or fire appliance. Keys are not to be readily accessible to any
persons entering the station.

Authorised by:


…………………………………..
Euan Ferguson
Chief Officer
SA Country Fire Service
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2006, 02:54:13 PM »
Hey cranky I love referring to our bible, but yes there are some GO's and DGO's that dont

I have actually witnessed them turning up in a vehicle and no appliance in sight. :evil:



General causes of alarms:

TOP 10 CAUSES
Burnt Toast
Flyspray in contact with head
Room deodoriser in contact with head
Steam in contact with head
Water in contact with head
Dust in contact with head
Workmen using disc cutters
Cleaners dusting
Plumbers welding
Non isoltaion of circuit prior to working on system..ie test

I just love asking what was being done at the time of activation,usually falls in to one of the above everytime. :-D

 
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2006, 05:56:45 AM »
You forgot spiders and staff hitting them to remove spider webs....
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2006, 09:07:39 AM »
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Hey cranky I love referring to our bible, but yes there are some GO's and DGO's that dont

I have actually witnessed them turning up in a vehicle and no appliance in sight.

Well put what you saw in writing and pass it onto the Region. Breaching the SOP's / COSO's is not something that they can ignore and shouldn't be taken lightly, if a brigade is willing to break one rule how many others are they also breaking.

Take this seriously people, remember that the big Mitcham Shopping Centre fire initially came in as an automatic fire alarm, as have many of the other large stucture fires in this state.

Fire alarms need to be treated as a fire until proved otherwise - no exceptions.

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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2006, 09:34:29 AM »
Hey that is true other wise ther is no point in having the alarm.

I do like it though when you rock up and then get asked 'is there a fire' :lol:

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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2006, 05:07:27 AM »
How many times have we rolled to a job and arrived to the sound of evacuation alarms going and bells ringing,yet the staff etc are still doing their daily thing...ie nursing homes  :-o

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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2006, 08:43:29 AM »
went to a nursing home once and the small fire was out and all the patients were sitting in the next room having dinner, don't worry about the smoke.

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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2006, 02:55:24 PM »
Thats bad,and that shows you that nursing homes,hospitals and shopping centres all need to have staff that are trained to help evacuate and know how to deal with the situation till the fire service arrives..
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2006, 05:19:29 AM »
On some of the older fire alarm panels there was a feature to be able to isolate the premises from the fire station.After attending continual false alarms the group brought in the policy of charging them $100 for each callout.

After a while they got the message and the false alarms stopped...but we found out why...they had isolated the system from our station.
A 000 call one day after an actual fire which we turned out to, found the FIP isolated. :-o

A report was made to Building Fire Safety and there were many red faces at the establishment
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2006, 05:53:34 AM »
When the new FIREMON system comes on line brigades will not be allowed to charge for call outs this will be done by SAFECOM who will get the money...
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2006, 08:40:26 AM »
We earned nearly couple grand in last couple months pity that will stop when we change over 8-).
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2006, 11:47:06 PM »
You missed "Alarm fault" in your list.. Most of ours seem to be an alarm fault... (Although now you mention it, anything could have set it off, the owners are just in denial :P)

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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2006, 02:46:33 PM »
Telstra techs are good for crossing over the lines and bang off they go.....
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2006, 01:42:20 AM »
Lightning is another one
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2006, 09:17:36 PM »
Everyone in the Lakes Village Shopping Centre got a rude shock today cause around 11-11:30am the centre's fire alarms sounded I happened to be one of the fortunate ones who was doing shopping in Bilo/Coles when this happened and had to abandon my shopping trolley

However didnt go away empty handed cause I happened to have my trusty Nokia 6233 on hand with built in video camera while waiting for the Metro boys to arrive I stood on the footpath with my video camera in standby mode after catching site of them halfway up the road I activated the camera and filmed some footage of their approach  :-D

Luckily it was only a False Alarm  :roll:

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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2006, 09:29:25 PM »
A week or more ago the fire alarms sounded in the large Wayville showground's pavillion. Unfortunately 1500 to 2000 students were 1.5 hours into their exams in that building.

The organisers waited 5 minutes before evacuating everyone. This was a flase alarm.

Friends of mine then had to resit the exam paper on the next Saturday.

All of the 1.5 hours of exam time was thrown away.
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2006, 01:30:33 PM »
Maybe it was a Schoolies prank :-P
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Re: Fire Alarms
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2006, 02:28:15 PM »
Everyone in the Lakes Village Shopping Centre got a rude shock today cause around 11-11:30am the centre's fire alarms sounded I happened to be one of the fortunate ones who was doing shopping in Bilo/Coles when this happened and had to abandon my shopping trolley

However didnt go away empty handed cause I happened to have my trusty Nokia 6233 on hand with built in video camera while waiting for the Metro boys to arrive I stood on the footpath with my video camera in standby mode after catching site of them halfway up the road I activated the camera and filmed some footage of their approach  :-D

Luckily it was only a False Alarm  :roll:



No Robert it wasnt a False Alarm.  It just happened to be the fire self extinguished before the firies arrived.  The chicken cooker in BILO caught alight!
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2006, 03:55:38 PM »
I was not far from the deli department mind you the bilo staff didnt even know where the fire was thats why they focused on getting people out of Bilo but still video footage is video footage I just gotta get a blue tooth downloading cable so i can download the footage onto my computer  :-D

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