Responding Appliances

medevac · October 31, 2006, 09:34:46 AM

im guessing he would be talking about the domestic at moorak

all i can suggest is that CommCens respond first alamr appliances, and then the upgrades are at the discretion of local brigades... local rbigades should know there area and who is closest, and respond them whether that be a red or white truck..

Scania_1 · October 31, 2006, 01:10:23 PM

ANyway I should just shut up and let someone come up with a real hypothetical.

bittenyakka · October 31, 2006, 03:10:57 PM

Quote from: medevac on October 31, 2006, 09:34:46 AM
im guessing he would be talking about the domestic at moorak

all i can suggest is that CommCens respond first alamr appliances, and then the upgrades are at the discretion of local brigades... local rbigades should know there area and who is closest, and respond them whether that be a red or white truck..

But sometimes brigades don't call the closest.

medevac · October 31, 2006, 03:47:31 PM

my point exactly

5271rescue · October 31, 2006, 06:40:39 PM

MFS paged us to a private alarm other day that was only 10kms from a brigade that was a lot closer than us........

Ryan · October 31, 2006, 07:34:03 PM

probably because you have a pumper so if it was a fire a pumper is better to deal with it.

RescueHazmat · November 01, 2006, 12:23:56 PM

Ryan, having a pumper would have nothing to do with it. - It would all be down to the response plans, and wheather or not the appropriate, or should I say, correct, response was made at Comcen level. (Thats *if* the response plans were correct?)

medevac · November 01, 2006, 07:39:27 PM

Quoteprobably because you have a pumper so if it was a fire a pumper is better to deal with it.

probly because MFS have the wrong response data and should not be paging brigades in that area anyway, rather ringing there alerts number.

Ryan · November 01, 2006, 09:09:39 PM

Did the closer brigade have a pumper?

IF it turned out to be a fire IM sure the "closer" brigade would have got a call too, I know if I was in charge Id send a pumper brigade if they were able to go. Really not that much differende. People make too much of a fuss over stuff.

medevac · November 01, 2006, 09:23:27 PM

hahaha u obviously missed the point entirely ryan, according to the limited info in blinky's post i am guessing that he means MFS comms dispatched them alone...

therefore the closest brigade, whos area it was, wasnt even given a bell until naracoorte presumably made them aware.

2090 · November 01, 2006, 11:07:15 PM

Quote from: Ryan on November 01, 2006, 09:09:39 PM
Did the closer brigade have a pumper?

IF it turned out to be a fire IM sure the "closer" brigade would have got a call too, I know if I was in charge Id send a pumper brigade if they were able to go. Really not that much differende. People make too much of a fuss over stuff.

Do you understand what a pumper is? Do you understand what makes a pumper different from a 24/24P/34/34P? Do you understand when you would notice a diference?

Also, seeing as though the CFS A) Has only a few Pumpers, and B) According to some, only has two *real* pumpers, do you realise how difficult its going to be for you to get your precious pumper brigade?

Ryan · November 02, 2006, 05:55:42 AM

A pumper by CFS standards has a massive inlet and a few more outlets and a slightly bigger pump. That is for 34P/24P. Probably a bit fo difference between them and a type 2 pumper I would assume. Naracoorte have a medium pumper so may as well use it. If there was no pumper then the precious 34 brigade will take it, simple. Use the resources you have.

Camo · November 02, 2006, 11:43:58 AM

Quote from: Senior Firery70 on October 30, 2006, 08:06:06 PM
It's called one sided Enhanced Mutual Aid which is common down our way Ath! :-(

I know exactly what you mean...about time some higher members down this way had their donkey's kicked!

RescueHazmat · November 02, 2006, 11:50:45 AM

No that is not a pumper by CFS standards ryan. I don't think any specifications list their pumps as having " massive inlets " and " a few outlets "..

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Did the closer brigade have a pumper?

IF it turned out to be a fire IM sure the "closer" brigade would have got a call too, I know if I was in charge Id send a pumper brigade if they were able to go. Really not that much differende. People make too much of a fuss over stuff.

Simply, and to put it the niceset yet clearest way possible, that is incorrect. - Weather confirmed or not, the response to the incident is controlled by response plans. Depending on the area, you will have the closest appliances responded, plssibly including response by brigades with B/A if the closest did not have the resource , or if it was a specialised incident HAZMAT etc.

You would not send a brigade who is 40 km away, just because they had a pumper, and not send the nearer brigades just because it wasn't reported as a going job... It just doesn't work like that..

Ryan · November 02, 2006, 01:56:19 PM

be reasonable, if there is a pumper 10km Id send it or maybe that building is in Naracoortes response I dont know you dont know Bill might know?

We dont know the details behind this its all speculation and personal assessments.

"No that is not a pumper by CFS standards ryan. I don't think any specifications list their pumps as having " massive inlets " and " a few outlets ".."

I also said a bit bigger pump maybe :-)
Actually the new 34P's are just basically a 34 with a big inlet valve and a few extra outlets. I heard the pump is exactly the same.

Pipster · November 02, 2006, 03:10:35 PM

I think the whole issue with this original post, was that the nearest brigade was not responded at all, while a brigade further away was.....

Obviously there was an issue with that - be it a goof up by whoever dispatched the call, or the information was incorrect in the database used, or something else.

But surely, getting an appliance and crew - that is almost any appliance (in that area it is a minimum of a 24) - to the call is of utmost importance...if the alarm had turned out to be set off by smoke / fire, at least a crew could do something - even if it is a matter of locate the fire, isolate the power, and undertake some defensive attack...until the Pumper, or whatever the next closest appliance is, actually arrives....

And by the way, pumpers are classified by their pump capacity - from memory, in CFS there is only one "Heavy Pumper" being Mt Barker Pumper (the Dennis)...the 24P & 34P's are classified as medium pumpers, as are the so called "type 2" pumpers...although their pumping capacity varies....I can't remember what the actual capacities actually are tho'.....I'll ask those who do know, and get an answer back....

Pip

Pipster · November 02, 2006, 04:01:43 PM

Defination of Pumpers - in round figures......

Heavy Pumper - 4,000l/min - This equals a SAMFS General Purpose Pumper. ( Apparently MFB have some Heavy pumpers running around 8,000l/min ! :-o )

Medium - 3,000l/min - these include the so called "type 2" pumpers purchased from NSW

Light - 2,000l/min. This is used on all heavy appliances - 34, 24P & 34P.

Pip

2090 · November 02, 2006, 04:41:36 PM

Thanks Pip. Ryan, as you'll see from the SACFS Pumping standards that Pip posted, there is a *slight* difference between pumps that the CFS uses. Mind you these standards vary across Australia, with places Like Melbourne and Sydney having some 'Super Heavy' pumpers pushing ridiculous amounts of water around.

Mind you, you wont notice a huge difference between the pump literage until you are boosting premises, using monitors or running multiple lines off a single pump.

Camo · November 02, 2006, 10:07:04 PM

Quote from: pipster on November 02, 2006, 03:10:35 PM
I think the whole issue with this original post, was that the nearest brigade was not responded at all, while a brigade further away was.....

Obviously there was an issue with that - be it a goof up by whoever dispatched the call, or the information was incorrect in the database used, or something else.

Pip

The original post stems back to a house fire where a certain hirachy of a certain group requested appliances which had to drive past other stations (a more approapriate station at that).

SA Firey · November 28, 2006, 08:58:07 AM

Based on the information upgrade the alarm and ask for who you want :wink:

Scania_1 · November 28, 2006, 01:49:11 PM

My point was that the color of the appliance shouldnt matter if it is a resource that can be utilised.

Camo · November 28, 2006, 02:15:03 PM

As SeniorFirey70 said somewhere "EMA is only one way down here"

rusty · November 28, 2006, 07:58:35 PM

Quote from: medevac on November 01, 2006, 07:39:27 PM
Quoteprobably because you have a pumper so if it was a fire a pumper is better to deal with it.

probly because MFS have the wrong response data and should not be paging brigades in that area anyway, rather ringing there alerts number.

So just why do the MFS page the S/E Brigades?

Camo · November 29, 2006, 01:22:08 PM

Generally its just the Gambier group and i believe it maybe because we are EMA brigades (well most of us)

Although it might be just up to the person who is on shift at the mfs comm centre as sometimes they will page us or they will ring up socc and get them to page us.

SA Firey · November 29, 2006, 01:25:58 PM

Quote from: Camo on November 29, 2006, 01:22:08 PM
Generally its just the Gambier group and i believe it maybe because we are EMA brigades (well most of us)

Although it might be just up to the person who is on shift at the mfs comm centre as sometimes they will page us or they will ring up socc and get them to page us.

MFS page you if your an EMA brigade :?