Dedicated Rescue Appliances

5271rescue · November 10, 2006, 03:57:01 PM

are you sure it was our pumper ???

Ryan · November 10, 2006, 04:39:14 PM

Come on fell'as back to the rescue discussion, keep it on track.

bittenyakka · November 10, 2006, 05:13:51 PM

How come most CFS dedicated rescues are old and look like they wern't built for the job where as some of the new ones in the CFA (oftern discussed on ozfire) are full size appliances that are purpouse built.

2090 · November 10, 2006, 05:24:13 PM

Times change. Look at the current pumpers, and then look at the old Stirling Pumper or Burnside 32. I don't think that many were 'purpose built' as such. Many are just trucks adapted to the task.

5271rescue · November 10, 2006, 07:43:21 PM

Our rescue is new and was made by skilled/cfa....

Camo · November 10, 2006, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: 5271rescue on November 10, 2006, 07:43:21 PM
Our rescue is new and was made by skilled/cfa....

But Billy your special :lol:

5271rescue · November 11, 2006, 08:29:12 AM

the first and last tour that I did on that island there where two appliances that where from the mainland and you know what was still in the lockers???? RCR gear that had not been removed and it was covered in crap,now when we got back we looked up on the promo site and those brigades only had one set of rcr gear but had two appliances each.......

TillerMan · November 13, 2006, 09:03:33 AM

Sorry to be off topic again.....

Yes blinky there was your pumper and Happy Valley pumper next to each other and they decided to fix yours and not happy valleys due to age even though it is now going to have a tanker put on it :?. They cut the chassis off at the cab and replaced the rest.

5271rescue · November 13, 2006, 03:03:22 PM

sweet we may get in back soon.......

Andrew · November 13, 2006, 06:02:22 PM

It is difficult to build a all in one appliance - A dedicated rescue vehicle is the way to go in my opinion.

If a Fire Appliance with RCR and 4WD capability is required trade offs will have to happen. It also takes a lot of money.

Another dynamic is the range of RCR gear that can be used. Also the role (heavy rescue
If somebody could ever define a minimum and have it agree to across the board (lighting, generators, RCR gear, pump size, water capacity, seating capacity, 4WD or 2WD, foam - type and amount, crew numbers for tasks, size of vehicle - GVM and dimensions.)

I may be also a little bold and say egos and oppions drive a lot of this type of debate not reality and practicability. (That being said, I do not have an answer for the problem)

Good luck!

SA Firey · November 15, 2006, 04:22:05 AM

Quote from: Camo on November 07, 2006, 05:27:22 PM
But are the MFS rescue/pumps heavy rescue?

Im thinking maybe 204 is the only heavy rescue? Am i wrong?

204 is a support tender and has complete heavy rescue equipment as well as the Palfinger crane.
204 is the only support tender that MFS have,use to have one at St Marys but this was changed to a pump/rescue appliance about 6 years ago.

All MFS appliances 249,329,359,409,439,are heavy rescue and the new Scania's have a front mounted winch and stokes litters :wink:

I believe Lameroo have a dedicated rescue last time I saw it was a F350 ex police crash unit.

5271rescue · November 15, 2006, 05:55:54 AM

All RCR gear is on Lameroo 34

SA Firey · November 15, 2006, 08:15:37 AM

Quote from: 5271rescue on November 15, 2006, 05:55:54 AM
All RCR gear is on Lameroo 34

How long ago did they lose the rescue truck Bill

Pipster · November 15, 2006, 08:31:55 AM

It might have been around 1991 that the Rescue Unit left, and I think might have gone to Mt Pleasant after that...

Pip

SA Firey · November 24, 2006, 03:21:51 PM

It will have plenty of k's on the clock then its the old Tango 85 Crash Truck :-D

Scania_1 · November 24, 2006, 04:49:03 PM

I remember the old days back in the late 80`s when any mva in the Adelaide Hills involved a fleet of vehicles being responded. MFS rescue appliance would be responded to any MVA`s within 40 km of their boundary as well as SAPOL road accident rescue unit and of course the local CFS/SES rescue appliance. Resulted in a bottle neck of vehicles at every prang. Took a while for the message to get accross that many CFS brigades by then had quite adequate rescue equipment and didnt need all that help from Adelaide. Of course government departments take time to make changes,lol.

SA Firey · November 29, 2006, 09:52:39 AM

I was at a prang at Strathalbyn once and just mentioned to the OIC that St Marys were on their way as well.He said "Who asked for that"
AS per the RCRD...but a stop call was sent back very quickly to MFS :-D

Ryan · November 30, 2006, 10:30:56 AM

St Marys....................Strathalbyn, rightio! Bit of a distance MVA be all over by then, why not get a closer CFS RCR Brigade.

bittenyakka · November 30, 2006, 01:40:37 PM

or even a closer MFS brigade.

The reason the MFS can combine is because their trucks are lower and have much bigger locker space since they don't need wheel clearance like 4wd needs

SA Firey · November 30, 2006, 04:17:53 PM

Quote from: Ryan on November 30, 2006, 10:30:56 AM
St Marys....................Strathalbyn, rightio! Bit of a distance MVA be all over by then, why not get a closer CFS RCR Brigade.

This was about 1990 when there was a lot of politics about rescue and who could do it.Police/Fire Service heavy rescue, and eventually common sense prevailed and we now have more rescue available than we did then :-D