SES familiarisation thread

[squiddy]

i just said sturt have an isuzu 300 and that there are more medium sized trucks out there........


just that they havent got the same monstrosities we do

A whole lot of Isuzu FRR 550 dualcabs were handed out to units last financial year. Moore's Engineering at Murray Bridge do the fit out on them. Most units get 2WD, but there are a few 4WD out there.

A lot of the metro units only have light trucks due to their short distances, higher crew numbers and the fact they mostly do storm and flood work. Units with the likes of USAR have special trailers etc.

[SA Firey]

How is it possible that the SES get turned out from MFS for a P1/P2 (both lights and sirens I have been led to believe) response, yet the may not be out the door for some time?

Do they have a specified default time like CFS does? Not just for RCR but for all jobs?

MFS: RESPOND RESCUE GENERAL 30/09/06 10:57,COOBER PEDY SES,COOBER PEDY, MAP 0 A 0 ,,GATE 11 ROAD 1.8 KM DOWN ROAD PERSON FALLEN IN SHAFT POLICE IN ATT,75529*CFSRES

1928013 11:06:25 30-09-06 MFS: RING 82043501 IF YOU RECEIVED MESSAGE RE RESCUE MINE SHAFT

Who does Coober Pedy default to :-D

Life threat job

[RescueHazmat]

They haven't defaulted, but if required the closest SES resources are:

Marla
Roxby
Andamooka
Port Augusta
Whyalla



Marla is the closest and are RCR and a general rescue resource, however Andamooka are the only underground rescue resource if Coober didn't go, and Whyalla being confined space if really required.. Roxby would probably assist with Andamooka making crew for such an incident.


There is also a fulltime paid fire/rescue/hazmat crew at Woomera, however I highly doubt they would go as they are covering the Woomera township.

[Toast]

Whats going on here?

18:01:07   01-10-06   MFS: RESPOND Tree Down 01/10/06 17:59,YOUNG ST,PARKSIDE, MAP 130 J 3 ,,PRIORITY 2 - IO METRE LIMB OFF LARGE GUM TREE OVER ROAD - THREATENING TO FALL - TREE IN SCHOOL GROUNDS - 0408896584,72620*CFSRES:

18:57:37   01-10-06   CALL OUT P2 TREE OVER FENCE & FOOTPATH IN SCHOOL PROPERTY YOUNG ST PARKSIDE ALL PAGERS RING DO 0882777411 OR SMS 0412186639 OR PAGE 463803

Is this "Priority Two" liek the CFS P2, (eg: SES P3/P4) or did something go awry?

[medevac]

PRIORITY TWO = SES responding only, lights and sirens

[Toast]

PRIORITY TWO = SES responding only, lights and sirens

Boy howdy, you don't say. Look at the time between the MFS response page and the second page. I was asking what exactly was going on. 72620 appears to be Metro South, why the hell are they appear to be turning out lights/sirens an HOUR after the job was paged. I am assuming that the second page is asking for crew at the LHQ?

[medevac]

Dont be a nuffer, you asked what the P2 was.

[squiddy]

PRIORITY TWO = SES responding only, lights and sirens

Hold up there big fella... why the buggery is anyone going with lights and sirens to a P2? Maybe lights, but a 10m branch does not constitute alarming the public like that. Maybe if it were on a busload of girl guides, but certainly not if it is already on the fence and in the school grounds.

[RescueHazmat]

Without knowing any components of the call, I would guess it was deemed a high risk to life.


To be frank, a 10m limb landing on someone would be deadly.

[Toast]

Yeah, but at what point does it become not a life risk. Hell its been there for an hour atleast...

[Mike]

I would think time is not an attributing factor to the deemed "life threat"..... The only thing that would change the status is if the physical situation changed.

[bajdas]

Whats going on here?

18:01:07   01-10-06   MFS: RESPOND Tree Down 01/10/06 17:59,YOUNG ST,PARKSIDE, MAP 130 J 3 ,,PRIORITY 2 - IO METRE LIMB OFF LARGE GUM TREE OVER ROAD - THREATENING TO FALL - TREE IN SCHOOL GROUNDS - 0408896584,72620*CFSRES:

18:57:37   01-10-06   CALL OUT P2 TREE OVER FENCE & FOOTPATH IN SCHOOL PROPERTY YOUNG ST PARKSIDE ALL PAGERS RING DO 0882777411 OR SMS 0412186639 OR PAGE 463803

Is this "Priority Two" liek the CFS P2, (eg: SES P3/P4) or did something go awry?

I would suspect that a Recce crew went to the scene before the Unit member pagers were activated & found they needed more crew/equipment. The recce crew can make the scene safe & deal with smaller jobs.

Why SES P2 for the rest of the crew, don't know details of the incident.

[medevac]

PRIORITY TWO = SES responding only, lights and sirens

Hold up there big fella... why the buggery is anyone going with lights and sirens to a P2? Maybe lights, but a 10m branch does not constitute alarming the public like that. Maybe if it were on a busload of girl guides, but certainly not if it is already on the fence and in the school grounds.

SQUIDDY - SES prioritys are differant to ours, and instead of having P1 and P2 like us, they have 4 priorities...

therefore; yes P2 is lights and sirens

[oz fire]

PRIORITY TWO = SES responding only, lights and sirens

Hold up there big fella... why the buggery is anyone going with lights and sirens to a P2? Maybe lights, but a 10m branch does not constitute alarming the public like that. Maybe if it were on a busload of girl guides, but certainly not if it is already on the fence and in the school grounds.

Hold on a minute - before we point too many fingers - there are a lot of fire service resources that will respond P1 to everything - including tree's down, minor flooding, spillages (non hazmat) even tractor boggings - each service has it's SOP's and from there down each station has an OIC who makes a determination when the call is received

[squiddy]

PRIORITY TWO = SES responding only, lights and sirens

Hold up there big fella... why the buggery is anyone going with lights and sirens to a P2? Maybe lights, but a 10m branch does not constitute alarming the public like that. Maybe if it were on a busload of girl guides, but certainly not if it is already on the fence and in the school grounds.

Hold on a minute - before we point too many fingers - there are a lot of fire service resources that will respond P1 to everything - including tree's down, minor flooding, spillages (non hazmat) even tractor boggings - each service has it's SOP's and from there down each station has an OIC who makes a determination when the call is received

Yeah... I know that. Its just a shame that a lot of those OICs are adrenaline junkies and like to use their lights and sirens when it isn't always necessary.

[medevac]

Thats alright... i heard a DGO going P1 to a smoke investigation in a command car today.... what was he gonna do? piss on it?

[Firefrog]

This topic is about SES famil. Please take dicussion on use of warning devices to another thread.

[bajdas]

What is the current equipment list in a SASES Heavy Rescue truck in the metropolitan area ? What are the differences in equipment carried when the truck is country RCR ?

Some equipment is standard and sometimes the list is modified for local conditions. But it would be good to update my knowledge with the latest.

[medevac]

a brigade or unit listed in the RCR directory must carry certain things to fulfill the requirement;

-hydraulic power unit
-heavy cutters
-heavy spreaders (double acting)
-300mm ram
-600mm ram
-2x10m hydraulic hoses minimum
-pulling chains or belts for spreaders
-auxillary pump
-generator, lighting
-general hand tools
-hazard cones and lights
cribbing blocks and wedges (stabilisation gear)


the rams may be combined to be one telescopic unit...
this is the bare donkey minimum required to be a rescue resource in the green book, in saying this some units may have extra gear, but that is the standard set by the RCR working party.

[Mike]

Heavy rescue does not necessarily mean RCR capable in SES terms....
In saying that, not sure.

[2090]

It really deserves another thread, but its surprising to see just how little is officially listed for an RCR resource. Are there any units that carry the bare minimum?

[bajdas]

It really deserves another thread, but its surprising to see just how little is officially listed for an RCR resource. Are there any units that carry the bare minimum?

Community Response trailers most probably only carry the minimum. They respond to incidents in the far northern and far west regions of the state while the trucks are deployed from the nearest resource.

For example, Hawker SES support a trailer at a property in the Northern Flinders area. I think Ceduna SES were looking at the same concept in the Aboriginal lands area.

[SA Firey]

PRIORITY TWO = SES responding only, lights and sirens

Hold up there big fella... why the buggery is anyone going with lights and sirens to a P2? Maybe lights, but a 10m branch does not constitute alarming the public like that. Maybe if it were on a busload of girl guides, but certainly not if it is already on the fence and in the school grounds.

Hold on a minute - before we point too many fingers - there are a lot of fire service resources that will respond P1 to everything - including tree's down, minor flooding, spillages (non hazmat) even tractor boggings - each service has it's SOP's and from there down each station has an OIC who makes a determination when the call is received

Yeah... I know that. Its just a shame that a lot of those OICs are adrenaline junkies and like to use their lights and sirens when it isn't always necessary.

Just to clarify for everyone the SES responses as follows are

P1-Life threat-MFS/CFS/SES respond as nearest service
P2-Priority 1-SES attending only
P3-Priority 2 response
P4-Non urgent job

Hope that helps :-D

[probie_boy]

hey, a question.

which SES unit has the most rsponse vehicles? Is it sturt with 5?

[bajdas]

hey, a question.

which SES unit has the most response vehicles? Is it sturt with 5?

Please remember that metro SES Units have built equipment standards so that they can respond to multiple incidents at the same time. For example, a storm can generate 30+ jobs for one Unit in a night.

The response to a single life threat incident has only been occuring in the metro region for the approximately the past two years. So we are still adapting equipment.

New vehicles are being issued at the moment after the SA government released the budget. I believe a flat-bed truck with tailgate lifter is heading for a south metro Unit and some replacement 4wd's are arriving soon.

I am not absolutely sure, but I believe Western Adelaide, Sturt, Metro South and Tea Tree Gully have 5 or more vehicles. Each Unit also has multiple trailers.

A problem at the moment is that the Unit's cannot accomodate the equipment. To expand the land & buildings will cost $$$$$$.

I was speaking to one Unit member this morning of a southern Adelaide Unit (not Sturt SES). They have 2 trucks, 3 4wd's, 3 specialist trailers and a tandem trailer.

Unit membership is 40 people with a waiting list. They do intake once per year.

Compared to a northern metro Unit which has 1 truck and 1 4wd. They have one flood pump trailer and a tandem trailer. Currently they have just over 20 members but are actively recruiting. This Unit does not have the facilities to store all of the equipment.

So the metro units do have alot of equipment and some is very specialised (BA, USAR, flood, lighting, etc). But because of the cost of metro land and buildings, units are spread out more when you consider the population.

To accomodate this problem, all first response vehicles / equipment are stored at Unit's LHQ and some of the second response / general trailers are stored at Unit members homes.

Some Units like the SES Dog Unit have all of their equipment and vehicles in Unit members homes. They do not have a headquarters buildings but share a section of another Units.

In country regions, the SES are more setup via history for single response life threat incidents. But Kapunda have multiple vehicles and trailers to transport the horses / quad bikes. I do not know other country Unit equiment levels.