blink 182 - broken up and bitter (interview with mark hoppus)

[firetruck]

found this tonight,

a very interesting read for anyone who is a fan of them or liked their music. For those that don't know they officially went on "indefinite hiatus" early 2005 but judging by this interview they are well and truly finished.

credit http://www.b182.com/askmark1.php







8. The circumstances of Blink's "indefinite hiatus" are still steeped in rumors. Tom has addressed the issue vaguely in some interviews. Could you give us your side of the story and explain exactly what happened, how it happened, and why? It must have been a pretty big deal for the band to have skipped out last minute at the Tsunami Benefit show.
 

The whole thing started a few months before the last European tour.  We had been talking about and planning a final North American tour on the self-titled album in the spring.  Our manager had encouraged it, and pushed us to do it, saying it was a great idea, that it would support the fourth single (Always).  We had all agreed.  Everyone wanted to tour.  The touring we were doing was the most fun I think I have ever had on the road.  The shows were awesome, we loved the songs we were playing, the reaction was amazing.  The plan was for blink to finish the European tour, have January and February off, then tour in March and April or something like that.  We have a fairly large crew (sound guys, guitar techs, tour manager, production crew, lighting crew, etc) that were put on retainer and told they would be working on blink tours at LEAST until the late spring, and possibly beyond.  Everyone agreed on it all, and the tour was put together.

 

Later on, Tom started saying he DIDN'T want to tour, that he was burned out and wanted to stay home.  He wanted to cancel the tour.  Immediately our manager changed his mind as well.  I was at an airport in Singapore, on my way to Nepal, and he called to tell me that he now thought we shouldn't tour.  This is a good indication of the relationship between our old manager and blink-182 at that time.  By that point, he was basically managing tom.  Tom changed his mind on touring, and then our manager changed his too.  Strange, right?  Angry, I got on the plane and flew to Nepal and Bhutan, later meeting Travis and tom in London to begin the tour.  

 

At the first show, our old manager flew out and sat us all down in the dressing room before the show.  He needed to have a meeting about the spring tour.  He and tom sat on one side of the room and Travis and I sat at the other.  Our old manager did all the talking.  He announced that tom was done touring.  He needed a break.  He was "over playing music" and wanted to be with his family.  The spring tour was going to be canceled.  Travis and I were in shock.  After the tour we were on, there were two months off.  Wasn't two months off enough time to go home and relax with your family?  Who in the world gets two months off from their job to hang out at home?  But it wasn't enough.  He needed more time.  Much more time.  Travis and I said "okay, if you don't want to tour, how about let's stay home and start the next record?"  We had a lot of ideas and were ready to start laying them down.  And tom could be with his family.  He didn't want to do that either.  He was burned out and just wanted to stop.  We asked him how long he needed, and he said he didn't know.  The conversation got heated and lasted for two or three hours.  It went around in circles, and the end result was the canceled tour, with no idea when we would be doing anything with blink-182 again.  Travis and I told tom and our manager that we weren't willing to sit on our hands for six months, that we still wanted to write and play music.  They understood and agreed.  A couple of days later, tom told us that he needed six or more months off.  Our entire touring crew was told that the six months of work they had been promised was canceled, effective as of the end of the European tour ten days later.  That was a couple of weeks before Christmas.  The mood on the rest of the tour was sour.  Everyone was bummed.  Everyone was fired.  The whole thing had come to a grinding halt for one person.  But the shows were filtered great!

 

Travis and I were super bummed and angry at the position we were being put in.  We understood that tom wanted to be with his family.  We all did.  We all love our families and want to be with them.  At the same time, this is our job.  We are so lucky to get to do what we do the way we do.  We love our work and want to be out there doing it, and it was being taken away from us.  We had no say in it.  blink-182 has been a democracy since day one, and toward the end there it wasn't.  it was all about one person.  it felt ugly.  it really did.  so we went home and started our six month break.

 

After Christmas the tsunami hit, and soon after that I called our old manager about the possibility of doing some kind of benefit show. I felt we needed to do something. I knew we were in Tom's "time off" period, so I said I would do an acoustic set, or Travis and I could try and find a replacement guitarist for one show. I know there are allegations out there that I was booking blink-182 to shows without talking to anyone. This is absolutely not true. I called our old manager, and offered to do it without Tom, but Tom wanted to help the tsunami relief cause, so our old manager booked us to play on the benefit show at the Pond. It had been a long time since we had played, so we set up a few rehearsals the week before the benefit.

 

At one of the rehearsals, we started talking arguing about our forced break, the greatest hits record, and the possibility of recording the next album. Tom said on the next blink-182 album, he would ONLY record at his house in San Diego. He would not come to Los Angeles. He wouldn't travel anywhere for the recording. He wanted me and Travis to record our parts up in Los Angeles as we wanted to, then send him the pro tools files down to San Diego for him to work on there. Mind you, on the last blink record, Travis drove down every day from Los Angeles to the studio in San Diego to record his parts. But Tom wasn't leaving his house. This was the point our band was at.

 

Tom was deciding when we would tour, how we would tour, when we would have time off, when we would record, and how we could record.  One person was dictating everything.  We told Tom this.  Things got hot.  We told him if we were going to record the album separately, in different studios, our band was ceasing to be a BAND.  The magic in the studio is created when the three of us are there TOGETHER, working on parts, discussing, sometimes arguing, all pushing the album forward.  Trying to frankenstein a cd together by mailing each other pro tools files to work on in our own private studios was ridiculous.  It would lessen the entire album.  It would be a terrible cd.  We asked Tom if he was ready for the consequences of what that meant?  Would we really sacrifice the quality of our music for the convenience of his insistence that he record only at his house in San Diego?  We said, "You are trying to control everything, and it's wrong."  He said he couldn't be a part of anything he couldn't control, and he left the rehearsal space.  

 

The next day our manager called and informed us that, "as of today, Tom DeLonge is no longer a member of blink-182."  He said not to try and call Tom, that he had already changed his number and didn't want to talk to us.  And that is how it ended.  After 13 years of being in a band together, hundreds of thousand of miles toured, countless shows played, and seven albums released, Tom didn't even call to quit the band.  He had his manager do it for him.

 

9. Tom states: "I think [Mark and Travis] will go to their graves thinking I did this because I had a master plan to make another band or do it by myself without them." Is that how you feel? Did Tom show any signs that he would be starting another band?

 

Yes, our old manager used to talk around the fact that Tom wanted to do a solo thing. At one point there were these emails going around that I was accidentally copied on, talking about Tom starting a solo career. It wasn't terribly long after that when Tom quit blink-182 "to spend more time with his family," and went into a studio to start his new record. When our old manager told me Tom was starting to record, I asked him what Tom was calling his new project. He told me "He is calling it Tom DeLonge." It was later changed to Angels and Airwaves.


10. There is no hiding the disappointment of a lot of blink fans in relation to 'We Don't Need To Whisper'. What is your opinion of Tom's new band? Did the bad media coverage of AVA alter your approach in promoting +44?



Look, I have always liked Tom's music. I wrote music with him for 13 years, and have always respected and admired his ability to craft some great songs. I like to think that we all pushed and inspired each other to create better and better songs, and I have been so proud of the music that blink-182 released, especially on the last record. However, his new album didn't strike me at all. The verses in the first single were cool, but everything just fell apart after that. The rest of the songs on the album seemed long and repetitious. I kept thinking "wait, did I already hear this song?" On all the tracks, I was waiting for something to kick in, for the song to reach that point that pushes it over the top, and for me it never came. It seemed like there were some good ideas in there wanting to come out, but it never got to where it needed to go. For me, I have always loved the honest simplicity and beauty in Tom's music and lyrics. This new album seemed forced and self-important. Like he was stomping his feet and insisting "I AM AN ARTIST NOW!!!" Like he is more interested in TALKING about making good music rather than just MAKING good music. Musically, I think Tom was stronger in the past. That's my honest opinion of the album.  


11. In a recent interview, Travis said we are now seeing "what the real Tom is like,". What does he mean by this and do you agree?


The crazy thing is, the actual question that was put to us went like this: "After all of Tom's outrageous claims over the past year, that God wrote half of his album, that it is the best music written in 20 years, that his album was going to change the world, that it was going to sell millions upon millions of copies, what do you have to say now that his album is seen as a failure, and obviously hasn't changed anything at all? Is this a new side of Tom that you have never seen, or are people finally seeing the real Tom?" Travis answered honestly, and yes I agree with him.

12. We all know Tom plays a part of the Blink-182 song 'Down' for his AVA shows. How do you feel about Tom doing this, and do you plan on playing any Blink songs for your +44 shows?
 

Tom can play whatever he wants as his shows. It is his right. Any band in the world can play any music they wish at their shows. That being said, I think it is in poor taste that he plays blink songs at his shows. It is disrespectful to the fans. It is disrespectful to the legacy of blink-182. He quit blink-182. How are you going to quit a band and then play that band's songs at your shows, and keep a straight face doing it?

 

Travis and I could tour as blink-182 if we wished. We could hire a new guitarist and hit the road. It would be our right, since Tom quit. Of course we have no plans to do that. Blink-182 was the three of us. The whole thing would be very disingenuous. No we will not be playing blink songs at (+44) shows.


13. Tom claims you never told him about +44 and that he read about it later in a magazine. Is this true?

 

No. When Tom told us all that he was taking half a year off, Travis and I told both Tom and our old manager that we were not going to do nothing for that time. We loved writing music and we wanted to work. We wanted to be in the studio writing. They said of course, that they understood. We were up front about everything we were doing. Even after Tom quit the band, and we were still talking to management, ON THE DAY THAT TRAVIS AND I WERE GOING TO START WRITING SONGS, I called our old manager's office and told them "okay, Travis and I are going into the studio today. I am just calling to let you know."

 

Obviously, since Tom had changed his number and wasn't talking to anyone, I couldn't call him directly and tell him "Hey, you quit the band. Travis and I are starting something new." But we did everything we could to be straight and honest about what we were doing and why. There was never anything secret about (+44). Tom quit in the middle of February of 2005, and we didn't even begin demo'ing until well into March. Did he think Travis and I were going to stop playing music altogether after he quit?

 

14. Do you see you and Tom coming together again at some point, even just on a business stand point with Atticus or Macbeth? Or do you believe this is the complete end to your friendship with him?

 



I am actually in the process of selling my share of Atticus, Macbeth, and Loserkids. I have not been creatively involved in any of the companies in nearly a year. That is why you don't see any photos of me or any mention of my name on the websites, catalogs, etc. We started the companies as a fun way to be creative and work with our friends, and over the past yeah and a half, it has stopped being fun. Personally, I do not care for the direction the companies or going in, or how they are being run, so Tom and the other owner are going their way with the companies, and I am going mine. I wish all the employees there the best of luck in the future. It is just not for me anymore.  

 

As to whether or not Tom and I will ever be friends again, I can't say.

 

15. Did you guys have any new songs that were unreleased before Blink-182 broke up? If so, do you think the fans will ever have a chance to hear them?

 

Yes we did. On the last North American tour, we took out a pro-tools rig and set up a demo studio in a dressing room every day. During the long hours of downtime on tour, we would go in there and lay down ideas for the next blink-182 album. There were some cool songs started in those dressing rooms. After Tom quit, our old manager called and said that he was going to take some of the ideas that we had started on the tour and rerecord them for Tom's new band. When the Angels and Airwaves record came out, I was actually excited to hear what had become of those ideas. There were some great beginnings in those demos. I was really disappointed in what became of them, though, for the same reasons I mentioned above. I thought they would have made great blink-182 songs, but something got lost in the translation.

 

16. What do you wish went differently with Blink? What stands out the most?

 

Not a damn thing. I loved every single minute of blink-182. The whole experience was a dream come true. We started in a garage and finished playing arenas. We wrote music that we loved, traveled the world, and sold millions of records. We were supported by the most amazing fans in the world. How could I possibly wish anything went any different?



17. What's the most personal song you've written (+44 and/or Blink)?

 

Hmm, it's hard to pick one most personal song. They are all personal for different reasons. I hope it's cool if I give you the most personal songs. Here they are:

Adam's Song, Apple Shampoo, Dammit,, Every Time I Look for You, Go, Lemmings, M+M's, Man Overboard, Stockholm Syndrome, and Wendy Clear from blink-182. And the entire (+44) album. The (+44) album is by far the most lyrically personal music I have ever written. The words are everything I have inside me put on a cd. This is the most personal album any of us have ever written. You want to know who we are, what we think, or how we feel? Listen to the (+44) cd.



18. There have been many rumors about what happened to Blink's original drummer, Scott Raynor. To clear things up once and for all, what really happened?

 

The reasons behind Scott not being in blink anymore deal with some personal things that he had going on at the time. I don't feel that it is my place to discuss these issues without his permission. So out of respect for Scott, I am going to pass on this question. He has done a couple of interviews that I have seen where he has talked about it, and I will let those answer it for you.



19. If you could say one thing to Tom right now, what would it be?

 

What's up with that haircut?



20. What one thing you would like to say to your fans?

 

Thank you. Thank you for everything. And see you soon!

[Manuel]

sweet an emo firefighter :-(

[firetruck]

yeah, i can't go on strike teams, my hair dye runs with the sweat...



ha, honestly, im not an emo. don't like em. don't even like angels and airwaves (toms new band and my avatar)that much, just the logo looks cool. anywho blink 182 weren't emo. you want emo's, look no further...


http://www.myspace.com

they're everywhere.....

[Manuel]

I saw a emo firefighter once it made my day :roll:

[medevac]

blink 182 were not emo..... blink 182 were definitely the greatest punk rock band ever..... damn that sucks, hadnt actually heard anuything about that...

the whole angels and airwaves thing sucks... pretty crap really. Boxcar racer was the only side project that was good.

[PF_]

I listen to myspace bands, free music  :-)

Some emo bands are okay, IM nto emo I dont really like emo's (  :-P ) but osme of their stuff sounds alright, fallout boy are good.

[firetruck]

blink 182 were not emo..... blink 182 were definitely the greatest punk rock band ever..... damn that sucks, hadnt actually heard anuything about that...

the whole angels and airwaves thing sucks... pretty crap really. Boxcar racer was the only side project that was good.

agreed. im still kinda comprehending this interview.

i bought AVA's debut album, we don't need to whisper, and it didn't do much for me. the adventure, do it for me now, valkyrie missile and distraction are okay, the rest is filler. its good to go to sleep to...

[Toast]

blink 182 were not emo..... blink 182 were definitely the greatest punk rock band ever..... damn that sucks, hadnt actually heard anuything about that...

the whole angels and airwaves thing sucks... pretty crap really. Boxcar racer was the only side project that was good.

Blink 182.... punk ....? What the hell? How old are you?

[medevac]

they were punk. they were great.....

im geussing you never actually listened to the good blink stuff then, just the newer stuff that wasnt punk.

[Toast]

they were punk. they were great.....

im geussing you never actually listened to the good blink stuff then, just the newer stuff that wasnt punk.

My sister has their entire discography. I used to listen to them back in the day, but to call them the greatest Punk ROCK band? The Clash, The Ramones, hell even The Offspring, would like a word...

[medevac]

we all have our own opinions  :wink:

should i rephrase it "in my opinion they were the greatest punk band"

there ya go, crisis averted