pbi gold

[Firefrog]

To clear things up Lion Apparel manufacture turnout clothing in several countries, Germany, China, Australia etc..

Elliots Australia have the contract to make Lion Apparel gear in oz. Whenever a new manufacturer comes online Lion send their specialists to the plant to ensure they are trained and up to the task.

So although there is china made gear in service, you may also see Australian made gear.

[pumprescue]

I have spoken to a number of brigade's who have the pbi gear all say its nice and warm and in many cases too filtered warm to wear and you better start drinking before you get to the job.also the gear is bulky and hard to wear in,also not sure if its true but pbi gold may not be on our stock order much more could be getting replaced.....

Yeah who told you that, I doubt it, and I have worn it almost non stop for 2 years at many going jobs and found it a lot better to wear than the Nomex, only thing that lets the CFS side of things down is the boots, have to make sure you pull the old explorers up to give that little bit more protection in case of ride up.

[CFS_Firey]

Yeah who told you that, I doubt it, and I have worn it almost non stop for 2 years at many going jobs and found it a lot better to wear than the Nomex, only thing that lets the CFS side of things down is the boots, have to make sure you pull the old explorers up to give that little bit more protection in case of ride up.

Here's another vote for PBI gold. No one in my brigade has had over-heating troubles, and I find it extremely comfortable and easy to work in.  Perhaps the people you spoke to took it to a grass fire? :|

[Pipster]

No one in my brigade has either...they tell me it is great stuff to wear when the temperature outside is less than 9 degrees !!!    :evil:

Pip

[David]

According to BA wearers in our group it's definatly to hot to wear at a house fire in 40 deg.(outside temp) see house fire Williamstown in Feb, I'm sure Wilma knows the one. but then anything would be!

[RescueHazmat]

Anything is hot to wear at a house fire.. House fires alone can get to temperatures of around 700 degrees.. The garments are for our protection, I think some people need to remember what job they are doing.. As the old saying went.. " If you cant stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen " ...


:-)

[safireservice]

only thing that lets the CFS side of things down is the boots, have to make sure you pull the old explorers up to give that little bit more protection in case of ride up.

Get the new stye boots, i thought your brigade would be up on these things!

[2468]

Why can't SACFS use Stewart and Heaton... surely if the company can't get it out in four weeks something is wrong.... very filtered up wrong :x

[Pipster]

Stewart & Heaton are a uniform supplier, not a manufacturer.

Hence they have to reply upon the manufacturer to produce or supply uniform items.  How quickly they can supply uniform items will depend upon the manufacturer, and how many much stock Stewart & Heaton want to hold at any given time...

I obtain my work uniform from Stewart & Heaton...still waiting for some bits after 3 months... the hold up being the manufacturer

Pip

[rescue5271]

There are lots of back orders as a number of manufactures are facing a shortage of items and material at the moment,NOMEX wildfire gear well there is very little of it around at the moment.....

[firey666]

PBI Gold is the best gear we have ever had, yes it can be hot to wear on occasions. if this is the case at every oppurtunity take off the jacket or at least open it up.
It should also be a size bigger than what you would normally think to wear, this allows for air flow. help with heat build up.

PBI also has a limited vapour barrier, Nomex does not. some HAZMAT protection.

As to wearing it, it ain't that hard, use the thumb loops, keeps the sleeves down, ensure the neck nap is up and velco attached. if you got the right size then the legs shouldn't be a problem.

if you get too hot in a structure fire, maybe you have added too much water (steam logged your gear) or is the fire beyond internal attack.

[Cameron Yelland]

PBI Gold is the best gear we have ever had, yes it can be hot to wear on occasions. if this is the case at every oppurtunity take off the jacket or at least open it up.
It should also be a size bigger than what you would normally think to wear, this allows for air flow. help with heat build up.

PBI also has a limited vapour barrier, Nomex does not. some HAZMAT protection.

As to wearing it, it ain't that hard, use the thumb loops, keeps the sleeves down, ensure the neck nap is up and velco attached. if you got the right size then the legs shouldn't be a problem.

if you get too hot in a structure fire, maybe you have added too much water (steam logged your gear) or is the fire beyond internal attack.

Look here newbie!

You cant come in and start throwing all this logical stuff around, you will confuse alot of people!


Shame on you!



Basically though, our group has decided its too expensive to wear so unless its a structure or an alarm you cant wear it.  Hell they were trying to tell me its safe to go in with level 1 and CABA!

OMGWTF, may i borrow your head vs wall animation?  :x

[Zippy]

screw that...its not group who pays for the gear, why should they care....

[OMGWTF]

Basically though, our group has decided its too expensive to wear so unless its a structure or an alarm you cant wear it.  filtered they were trying to tell me its safe to go in with level 1 and CABA!

OMGWTF, may i borrow your head vs wall animation?  :x

Snap, we have the same situation... Only allowed to wear it to structure calls or AFAs, but stuff em, we still wear it to any job that sounds like it may require BA.

Camo - there is now paperwork i am led to believe, stating NOMEX is no longer permitted for internal attack full stop. Oh yer, and borrow away.

[rescue5271]

You can still use NOMEX for internal attack, PBI gold was only ment to be given out once the Nomex gear was too old or was to be given to new CABA members as far as i know there as never been any letter saying you cant use NOMEX or that you should stop using it...

There is now a better level 3 turn out gear on the market at this stage TASSIE are the only state looking at it.....

The other issue at the moment is there is also a shortage of nomex wilfire gear so not too sure what they will do there,i guess PROBAN may come back....

[Zippy]

The other issue at the moment is there is also a shortage of nomex wildfire gear so not too sure what they will do there,i guess PROBAN may come back....

Interesting that you quote it as "Wildfire"..so its probably legitimate to wear PBI to everything except a wildfire ;)


For this topic, my input is, its up to you what you wanna wear...just dont be downright stupid.

[mattb]

Our Group Officer was on the working party that was putting together the poster (the one that still hasn't been printed) on what you can wear to each incident type. He has instructed us that the rules are that you can wear PBI to anything apart from a rural fire or when you are going to wear a Hazmat suit.

We have now been wearing it to everything for the last couple of months and it hasn't killed us yet. Interesting to see the Lofty group still going down the path of wearing PBI pants and a Nomex coat to some jobs.

http://www.fire-brigade.asn.au/gallery/pages/mylorfire210908/pages/DSC_3398.htm

[bittenyakka]

I think that is a cool idea. But i do see the contradiction of if i don't need pbi protection then why wear half and half. Other than to save carrying 2 sets of gear.

That is interesting Matt a few months ago you were saying the poster said Pbi could only be worn to structure fires or car fires but can be worn at OIC descrition.

[Pixie]

created new thread http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php/topic,1974.0.html

Has a poll re: which incidents YOU wear PBI to.

[tft]

Why would you have PBI pants and a Nomex coat to some jobs?
Not having a go at anyone, but I can't
work out the logic in doing this.

[Pixie]

Not saying i would do it, (how gooberish would that look!!)but im guessing the logic behind it is that for grass/scrub fires etc. keep torso cool(ish) but still protected, and legs (where most of the dangers are) protected most.

It is interesting to note that within my group, a new directive has come out (Last Night) that PBI is only to be worn at training by the Duty Crew, unless it is CABA training.

[Zippy]

lol..."a new directive has come out (Last Night) that PBI is only to be worn at training by the Duty Crew, unless it is CABA training."

I think some groupies are getting to much into policy making...Statewide policy aka SOP is what i listen to, thanks.

Wonder how many would start whinging if i said: PBI is our firefighting gear, while Level 1 is a Step down for those extra hot outdoor fires.

Guidelines, Standing Orders, Directives...man, all this paperwork is tireing me...

[Darius]

I think some groupies are getting to much into policy making...Statewide policy aka SOP is what i listen to, thanks.

If you can provide the state policy on PBI gold then let everyone know cos as far as the regions know there isn't one - which is why this whole issue is the mess that it is.  I think region 1 now has developed a policy (in the absence of one from state) and it is as Matt said.

[Zippy]

If state hasnt provided a policy...is there then a "Need" for one.

Ive heard someone say,  this is just another One piece vs Two piece or Carki vs Yellow war....so itll end one day....firefighting Evolution.

It comes down to each mind's skillful decisions...either be a smart person...or a dumb filtered.

Any MFS firefighters have this many toss and turns in bed during the night when the Blue to Gold change happened?

[bittenyakka]

The problem is that there is many mindsets about PBi and although you can do many things in lv1 proban it doesn't mean that Pbi should be restricted IMO.