Future Appliances

[rescue5271]

Rural set up with two CABA sets and spare cylinders...

[bittenyakka]

How about creating a new urban 14 that doesn't require as much height?

This might however be ridiculous because any place that has enough small driveways would probably benefit from a full Pumper.

[SA Firey]

Get ready men the next generation of crap Hino's is on the way :-D

At least the Isuzu's have leg room :wink:

[fire03rescue]

which type of Hino's have been purchased :?

[SA Firey]

Sitting at back of Moores at present will try to find out the model :-D

[bittenyakka]

Since i am relatively new to CFS and enjoying it. please help me understand.
1)why does everone on this site tend to bag out 24p? I have never seen one in action
2)What is wrong with Hinos?

Sitting at back of Moores at present will try to find out the model :-D

Any thing else of intrest visible at Moores

[PF_]

cherry pickers :-D

[Scania_1]

24P appliances do not have the pumping capacity of an urban or type 2 pumper and some brigades that used to run urban pumpers have had them replaced with 24P and 34P appliances and some are not happy about that. The rural hino appliances are pretty ordinary for pumping also but still serve a purpose as rural applaiances. The new 34`s on dual cab Hino chassis should be pretty good trucks if they are outfitted like last years build with the 500gpm pumps.

[bittenyakka]

thanks 8-) ath

So really the problem is which brigades have been given 24p/34p not the trucks themselves.

[SA Firey]

24P SNAILS :-P

Turbo would help :-D

[bajdas]

Do the Americans have any better technology for fire fighting and truck cab-chasis design ?

All of the appliances seem to be Japanese & European design. With the new 'free trade agreement' between USA & Australia, any good technology ?

[Robert-Robert34]

I think the Forestry SA Fire Kings would make real good future CFS Appliances but we would have to paint them white  :lol:

[CFS_Firey]

I believe the fire kings are made by the NSW based company ADI limited, not a US company.

Bajdas, I'm no expert but I think it has a lot to do with cost - Isuzu, Mitsubishi and Hino are simply cheaper.
The biggest American based fire appliance builders are American Lafrance, and they don't build dual cab rural fire trucks (Which is what the CFS is moving to).  I suspect most other fire truck manufacturers also focus on pumpers and ladder trucks, rather than what the CFS is after...

As for fire fighting technology - I don't know if they have much they want to share.  Many of our new tactics are coming from Europe (Compartment fire behavior training came out of Sweden, for example).  The Americans seem to work far too unsafely for my liking :) (Run into a burning building with no water?  No thanks!)

[5271rescue]

ADI in Bendigo(VIC) made the firekings as that is where the army get all there APC made....

[Evac]

We are not issolated in the fact that we fight wildfire. Many places around the world have to deal with fires much more intense and on a larger scale than we could ever encounter in Australia.

Some links to other trucks around. Some make sacfs trucks look pretty basic.

http://www.rosenbauer.com/index.php?USER=b4932d68a0ba39ddafa59641db1e48d0&node_id=6170

http://www.placerfire.net/

http://www.west-mark.com/prod_wildland15.cfm

http://www.ssfire.com/Apparatus/apparatusDetail.cfm?aid=8

http://www.piercemfg.com/new_deliveries/new_deliveries.cfm?type=wildland

[Camo]

My guess is if we want to get serious maybe we need to look at CAFS for all our rural appliances.

Especially as water seems to be getting scarse!

Im not expert on CAFS but it seems to be the way to go in my eyes.

[SA Firey]

Not fitting down driveways means better education for the public.... like "if the truck doesnt fit... we cant put your fire out! here is how big the truck is......"

maybe CFS should put something about the size of the trucks in their next advertising campaign?

that's a good point, how many brigades do that?  We have driven around to some places in our area with the 24 truck and shown the residents that just having a gate wide enough is not enough.  Eg. overhanging tree branches, no turn-around space, if you had a fire on that side of your house, we'd be driving over your garden beds here etc.

On the couple of occasions we have done it, it was quite an eye-opener for the residents.  I don't think many people appreciate the size of the trucks (especially height).

Maybe we can get Rags to do a media release about that very fact to increase the awareness about poor accessibility for our appliances prior to fire season starting :wink:

[oz fire]

I think the Forestry SA Fire Kings would make real good future CFS Appliances but we would have to paint them white  :lol:

Bugga that - id prefer to drive a tank up the road before I drove one of them onto a fire ground - actually I would like to drive a tank ...... and I have already driven a fire king - nice for inside the forest (less than .1% of our work) so no good to CFS

[Camo]

Just looking at the new appliances that will be built this year.

1 34 will be auto (trial or just a lazy brigade?  :-D )

All new 34's will have roller shutters rather then lockers (sounds good)

& 1 of the new 14's will have a CAFS setup on it.

[bittenyakka]

where did you find that out?

[Camo]

In the latest Vollie mag

[SA Firey]

Roller doors....a welcome change as the current lockers always pop open when you are responding to a job :-P

Bandaid job always before the good fix eh :roll:

[boss]

a 14p would be good in hilly hard to get places to relay water to and from places where a 24p or a 34p cant get to  :? :-D

[2090]

There are multiple types of appliances needed in the CFS. Its sad to see that they are able to reduce it down to: 14, 34, 34P, Medium Pumpers and Tankers. Rural areas have differing needs. 34s are great from grassfires, open paddocks and the like, but are next to useless in large ares of the Mt. Lofty Rangers due to their height. This is the same with the current super tall 14s. The old 24 appliance was a great mix of size/water capacity, and I feel that its disappointing to see it being withdrawn.

The same applies to different Urban areas. We currently have an appliance built for a purpose by another fire service. It has a rear mounted pump, along with a single attack line. In the NSWFB, who run a great deal of flaked hose, this is not an issue, yet in the CFS, we very rarely have flaked preconnected hose on our appliances. Why the CFS was not able to consult the multiple brigades that require a decent pumper and come up with a good design is beyond me. Instead we end up with an import from the UK, a filtered of a prototype, a 'not so bad' import as standard, and plans to build a newer pumper for at least two brigades.

I'm sure I hope the CFS pulls its finger out and gets back on the journey in terms of appliances.

[boss]

It would be good to see them bring back the 32's for sum parts of the state where the tall trucks cant get to places cos of size of them but they carrie the same as the 34 the only diff is the drive there is only 3 left in the state.  :| :-D