A piece of history...

[Alan (Big Al)]

Always thought that MFS handled all or most of the patient lifts within the metro area??

[PF_]

What is a patient lift?

[Alan (Big Al)]

Down at Goolwa if the ambulance crew can't get another ambulance crew or the person is huge we get called as manpower to help them sometimes you might need 6-7 people to lift a person.

It could be as easy as just putting them on a spinal board and then out to an ambulance or a job we had on christmas day last year a person was too heavy for the spinal board and we had to cut a hole in the campervan to get them out etc etc...

But most of the time they are time critical jobs and require a quick response.

[PF_]

Okay, thought it mighta been that.

[Stefan KIRKMOE]

At the end of the day we should look at public safety! This means the closest, most appropriate, resource.... If SAMFS respond with an SES unit and continually stop call them because they can get there, remove the risk / deal with the incident before SES get there then so be it. I do not see why Metro SES units will take all "storm incidents, trees down, animal rescue's and patient lifts" in metro area. At the end of the day SAMFS are likely to arrive before SES anyway, back when I was in SOC, SAMFS and SES were responded at the same time to an incident with "life risk", MFS had dealt with the incident and put a stop back before SES had acknowledged the page.

[strikeathird]

At the end of the day we should look at public safety! This means the closest, most appropriate, resource.... If SAMFS respond with an SES unit and continually stop call them because they can get there, remove the risk / deal with the incident before SES get there then so be it. I do not see why Metro SES units will take all "storm incidents, trees down, animal rescue's and patient lifts" in metro area. At the end of the day SAMFS are likely to arrive before SES anyway, back when I was in SOC, SAMFS and SES were responded at the same time to an incident with "life risk", MFS had dealt with the incident and put a stop back before SES had acknowledged the page.

Amen..

And if SES don't like it... I guess they will have to improve on there response times..

If CFS volunteers can have a 4 min turnout.. Why cant the SES manage too ??  (Genuine Question)

[bajdas]

And if SES don't like it... I guess they will have to improve on there response times..

If CFS volunteers can have a 4 min turnout.. Why cant the SES manage too ??  (Genuine Question)

My thoughts are that many issues are being changed and resolved to get more professional response times. In the last twelve months many changes have happened in accordance with the 'Case for Change' plan and will continue to occur within SASES.

It is interesting that VMB staff are now researching different ways to have volunteers in the truck & on the road quickly in the metro area. Some units are making the grade, others are not.

The changes will take time, training and personally I expect a few volunteers might leave due to the changes. I left a metro SES rescue unit because I could not meet the training/response times required. Now I am with an operations control unit.

But as I have stated before, the future looks gooooood 

[Mike]

Amen..

And if SES don't like it... I guess they will have to improve on there response times..

If CFS volunteers can have a 4 min turnout.. Why cant the SES manage too ??  (Genuine Question)

Thats a very generalised comment..... i can name numerous times where the SES have beaten us out the shed.

I take it your refering more to the metro response side of things?



it was my understanding that the MFS response with SES was to be maintained for immediate life threat situations only... ie. MFS shouldnt be responding to trees unless that is part of the default process....

[bajdas]

Will be interesting to see what happens with response to Road Crash in Mt Gambier....

Scary Stuff!

Camo

MVA at Mt Gambier last night. From the paging website it looks like the new system worked well in responding SAAS, MFS, SES & CFS.

1908530 00:25:00 07-04-06 INFO:MTG: 07 Apr 00:23 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1908527 00:24:15 07-04-06 INFO:MTG: 07 Apr 00:23 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1905686 00:23:20 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES

1928012 00:23:07 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1906658 00:23:06 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1909260 00:19:15 07-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MOORAK RESPOND MVA CAR V FENCE - BAY RD, MT GAMBIER - 2KM NORTH OF THE BELHAM HOTEL. < 7/04/2006 00:19:02

1909265 00:19:13 07-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MOORAK RESPOND MVA CAR V FENCE - BAY RD, MT GAMBIER - 2KM NORTH OF THE BELHAM HOTEL. < 7/04/2006 00:19:02

1908547 00:15:02 07-04-06 MG181 Cat2 Bay Rd, Mount Gambier C174 F14

[probie_boy]

yeah that looks pretty clean and sharp.

[strikeathird]

Mike, referring to the many brigades (many EMA, however some not... some urban, some rural) who 99.9% of the tmie keep to the 4-6 min response times... Even to things like alarms etc...


Was more asking, if one band of vollies can manage, would it be that hard for the fellow service to improve response times....

[Mike]

All good striker....
Everyone needs to pull up their socks occasionally 
one would think its not that hard....

[medevac]

i have to say that many people on this forum seem ignorant as to the response times/procedures of ses units... maybe a bit more knowledge and a lot less bias would help.

[Benji]

One big difference is the area members respond to the shed/unit/station/etc from.
CFS might pull in from a 2-3 Km area, while some SES units pull members from up to 20 Km away. I pass through 4 CFS areas before I get to my shed.

[Camo]

Will be interesting to see what happens with response to Road Crash in Mt Gambier....

Scary Stuff!

Camo

MVA at Mt Gambier last night. From the paging website it looks like the new system worked well in responding SAAS, MFS, SES & CFS.

1908530 00:25:00 07-04-06 INFO:MTG: 07 Apr 00:23 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1908527 00:24:15 07-04-06 INFO:MTG: 07 Apr 00:23 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1905686 00:23:20 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES

1928012 00:23:07 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1906658 00:23:06 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1909260 00:19:15 07-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MOORAK RESPOND MVA CAR V FENCE - BAY RD, MT GAMBIER - 2KM NORTH OF THE BELHAM HOTEL. < 7/04/2006 00:19:02

1909265 00:19:13 07-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MOORAK RESPOND MVA CAR V FENCE - BAY RD, MT GAMBIER - 2KM NORTH OF THE BELHAM HOTEL. < 7/04/2006 00:19:02

1908547 00:15:02 07-04-06 MG181 Cat2 Bay Rd, Mount Gambier C174 F14

Yes quite well except they sent the MFS 20km out of town.  But you get that.

Camo

[medevac]

yeah... excellent to see that MFS and SES are getting paged at exactly the same time tho...

[rescue5271]

If you look at most of the mount pages they get great turn out times but as far as I know there have been no real problems with the new system.and nice to see that all service's are getting paged at once at last........bring on CFS CAD...................

[oz fire]

One big difference is the area members respond to the shed/unit/station/etc from.
CFS might pull in from a 2-3 Km area, while some SES units pull members from up to 20 Km away. I pass through 4 CFS areas before I get to my shed.

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That is the difference that people forget - most CFS brigades (Urban and township) have a response time and look for members to aid them in meeting that - however we also need to look at rural areas, where CFS must draw its crews from far and wide to crew a truck - then we also can't make the 4 - 6 minutes - same as SES who draw their crews from far and wide!!!!!!

On an aside - watch the pager site and then monitor the radio - CFS brigades may confirm within 4 - 6, but how many are actually on the road, everytime within that 4 - 6 minutes ...............

[medevac]

If you look at most of the mount pages they get great turn out times but as far as I know there have been no real problems with the new system.and nice to see that all service's are getting paged at once at last........bring on CFS CAD...................

may have been a better system if CFS SOCC were still able to page SES units, it looks like every time that CFS and SES role to a rescue together there is a 3-4 minute delay in one or the other being paged...

[rescue5271]

There has been a delay in service's paging each other for sometime,time someone looked into it a little better and get to the bottom of it once and for all before its to late............................

[Alan (Big Al)]

Honestly the bulk of the MVA's that SES attend are in country areas where they respond with CFS, and there was a huge stink a while back about differing times that CFS/SES were responded to MVA's and when CFS SOCC took over SES paging problem was solved but now were back to square one again???

Don't know what happened between SES and CFS but it's kind of silly that this issue has gone backwards.

[bajdas]

...Don't know what happened between SES and CFS but it's kind of silly that this issue has gone backwards...

Will be moved forward when the SAFECOM SACAD system is in place. The revamp of CFS & SES State Control Centres is a step in the overall direction.

[oz fire]

SAFECOM SACAD - yep ........ one day ......it will occur ...... but I ain't holding my breath ...... having been hearing about a common facility now for 10 years!

But it will happen - for the betterment of us all

[medevac]

Don't know what happened between SES and CFS but it's kind of silly that this issue has gone backwards.

i dont believe anythign happened.... SES just decided to move to a iff. commcenn.

[Mike]

14 minutes between CFS and MFS(SES) response.
A bit of refinement required one would think....

1928011 14:48:20 20-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 20/04/06 14:47,WELLINGTON RD,LANGHORNE CREEK, MAP 000 0 0 ,,,73329*CFSRES:

1908083 14:48:18 20-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 20/04/06 14:47,WELLINGTON RD,LANGHORNE CREEK, MAP 000 0 0 ,,,73329*CFSRES:

1909029 14:47:18 20-04-06 SHQ: WOODCHESTER **STOP CALL** NOT REQUIRED, FROM STRATH GO > 20/04/2006 14:47:05

1909036 14:47:16 20-04-06 SHQ: WOODCHESTER **STOP CALL** NOT REQUIRED, FROM STRATH GO > 20/04/2006 14:47:05

1909029 14:39:03 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES STRATHALBYN AND WOODCHECTER RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - 9 KMS FROM LANGHORNE CREEK - RCR OPERATORS FROM STRATH > 20/04/2006 14:38:49

1909036 14:39:01 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES STRATHALBYN AND WOODCHECTER RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - 9 KMS FROM LANGHORNE CREEK - RCR OPERATORS FROM STRATH > 20/04/2006 14:38:49

1909029 14:38:57 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES STRATHALBYN AND WOODCHECTER RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - 9 KMS FROM LANGHORNE CREEK - RCR OPERATORS FROM STRATH > 20/04/2006 14:38:45

1909035 14:38:56 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES STRATHALBYN AND WOODCHECTER RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - 9 KMS FROM LANGHORNE CREEK - RCR OPERATORS FROM STRATH > 20/04/2006 14:38:45

1909029 14:38:31 20-04-06 LANG: RESPOND LANGHORNE CREEK STATION SIREN MANUALLY ACTIVATED CFSRES

1909033 14:38:29 20-04-06 LANG: RESPOND LANGHORNE CREEK STATION SIREN MANUALLY ACTIVATED CFSRES


1909029 14:34:16 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES LANGHORNE CREEK RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - UNKNOWN DISTANCE FROM LANGHORNE CREEK > 20/04/2006 14:34:02

1909033 14:34:14 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES LANGHORNE CREEK RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - UNKNOWN DISTANCE FROM LANGHORNE CREEK > 20/04/2006 14:34:02