Author Topic: SAAS Station Codes (Read 41610 times)

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #50 on:** February 15, 2007, 01:19:50 PM »

MV171 Cat2 Mclaren Vale Motel . Main Rd, Mclaren Vale 207 B12

Looks like the new SAAS station at Mclaren Vale is up and running, that should take a bit of the pressure off down south.

SA Firey · « **Reply #51 on:** February 15, 2007, 03:34:06 PM »

Quote from: Mundcfs on February 15, 2007, 01:19:50 PM

MV171 Cat2 Mclaren Vale Motel . Main Rd, Mclaren Vale 207 B12

Looks like the new SAAS station at Mclaren Vale is up and running, that should take a bit of the pressure off down south.

Thats correct as of 1 week ago

sapolpd · « **Reply #52 on:** March 04, 2007, 09:24:39 PM »

Cat7 is used as an administration code to record the movement of a Crew to a location. Eg Its used for a crew to goto Fulham (Fleet Services) to pick up a new fleet, call into HQ to see someone/interview or to return to a hospital to finish paperwork off from a previous case. Sometimes they will resume quickly so they can pick up another Cat1 or Cat2 job because no one else is going to be available.

Scania_1 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 07, 2007, 05:52:41 PM »

PF=Playford
Does anyone know what MH is?

wilma · « **Reply #54 on:** March 07, 2007, 07:36:24 PM »

Category


Assessment


Lights & Sirens used

1


Failed primary assessment, life threatening, two ambulances automatically dispatched


Yes

2


Failed secondary assessment, possibly life threatening


Yes

3


Active treatment required, not life threatening


No

4


Patient transfer, treatment required, patient stable


No

5


Patient transfer, observation required


No

6


Patient transfer, no active treatment required


No

Hope this helps

Pipster · « **Reply #55 on:** March 07, 2007, 08:51:29 PM »

Quote from: ath on March 07, 2007, 05:52:41 PM

PF=Playford
Does anyone know what MH is?

MH is the mental health team...usually work from 5pm onwards, and I think are psych nurses, rather than ambos.....

Pip

mattthefirey · « **Reply #56 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:18:46 PM »

7of7:Strathalbyn:- Level 4; Tailem Bend:- No crew.
1908782 08:32:32 20-07-07 6of7:school holidays so page to find anyone avialable; Penneshaw:- No crew; Penola:- No crew; Pinnaroo:- Local only; Pt MacDonnell:- no crew; Robe:- No crew;
1908782 08:32:27 20-07-07 5of7:4 with trainee; Meningie:- Level 4 with trainee till 12.00 then full crew; Nangwarry:- Full crew till 12.00 then level 4; Padthaway:- No roster while
1908782 08:32:21 20-07-07 4of7:18.00 and are local only; Lameroo:- No roster; Mannum:- No crew till 12.00 then full crew local only; Meadows:- Full crew till 12.00 (Dr on) then level
1908782 08:32:15 20-07-07 3of7:level 4 till 16.00 then no crew; Karoonda;- No crew; Kingston:- Level 4 till 10.00 then full crew till 12.00 then level 4 till 14.00 then full crew till
1908782 08:32:10 20-07-07 2of7:morning; Renmark on Passive till 09.00; Moderate wokload in hills murray today; CREWING=> American River:- Level 4 till 10.00 then no crew; Gosse:-
1908782 08:32:06 20-07-07 1of7:Good Morning from Region South:- Team Leader is Rob Willoughby; Region are Ross; Damien and Eddie; Barmera finally ended 10 hour break at 07.35 this
like this messag regarding SAAS crewing Meadows and the surrounding districts is in good hands.

my opinion only.

SA Firey · « **Reply #57 on:** July 25, 2007, 08:47:26 AM »

MH crews are Mental Health staff used to do Section 23 transfers so they are not tying up an ICP crew.Prior to this if a transfer was required and the patient threatened self harm it was dispatched as a Cat 2,which was an abuse of the system so that is why it changed to the MH crews.

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #58 on:** July 25, 2007, 01:19:41 PM »

Just to note that under S23 of the MHA Paramedics don't have the right to detain, SAPOL would have to be onscene.

Pipster · « **Reply #59 on:** July 25, 2007, 02:28:03 PM »

Believe that changed & paramedics can detain...although if they have a violent patient, (or a patient with previous history of violence, they call SAPol...

Pip

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #60 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:40:37 PM »

They can't detail under S23, a patient can refuse medical transport/treatment and the Paramedic is powerless.. - It would be illegal for them to force medical treatment on them (& detain them), basically assault.

It is my understanding that only SAPOL can detain someone under S23 and would then have to accompany the crews to the hospital. .. - However, if this policy has changed in the last couple weeks, I haven't heard, and will definately find out.

bajdas · « **Reply #61 on:** July 25, 2007, 05:33:23 PM »

Quote from: RescueHazmat on July 25, 2007, 03:40:37 PM

They can't detail under S23, a patient can refuse medical transport/treatment and the Paramedic is powerless.. - It would be illegal for them to force medical treatment on them (& detain them), basically assault.

It is my understanding that only SAPOL can detain someone under S23 and would then have to accompany the crews to the hospital. .. - However, if this policy has changed in the last couple weeks, I haven't heard, and will definately find out.

This type of incident occurred in the outer southern suburbs recently that my wife attended to support a friend (she is a Family Support worker).

Ambulance had to wait for SAPOL before they could enter the house due to the lady refusing to open the door. When the patient became a risk of self harm, ambulance officer (unknown if MHS or other) was considering entering the property before SAPOL arrived. But this was not needed.

SAPOL gave authorisation for the detainment at this incident.

The experience left an appreciation for majority of the crews that assisted.

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #62 on:** July 25, 2007, 06:12:25 PM »

After further consultation today, I would suggest that only police can detain under S23 of the MHA.

mattthefirey · « **Reply #63 on:** July 25, 2007, 06:34:58 PM »

police do section 23 but any medical practitioner can over rule that decision. but if a doctor detains the patient under section 41 they are then refered to the phsycologist

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #64 on:** July 25, 2007, 07:06:46 PM »

Referring to on the street here though mate, SAPOL v Paramedics at a scene etc. - In which instance (unless there is a doctor or it is at a practice etc), Paramedics cant detain under the act.

Pipster · « **Reply #65 on:** July 26, 2007, 01:46:04 AM »

There are several different things that have been brough up here, and it would appear all lumped together as being the same thing, but are actually quite different & distinct powers.

When we talk about "detain" - there are perhaps two meanings in the context of Mental Health. One is to physically detain / hold onto a person. The other is to form an opinion that a person has a mental illness, or is a danger to themselves or others, and to "detain them" - (physically or otherwise) and get them to medical assistance.

Under the Mental Health Act, 2003, Section 23

(1)   Where a member of the police force has reasonable cause to believe—
   (a)   that a person has a mental illness; and
   (b)   that the conduct of that person is or has recently been such as to cause danger to himself or herself or to others,
the member of the police force may apprehend that person, using only such force as is reasonably necessary for the purpose, and take him or her as soon as practicable to a medical practitioner for examination

So Police can form the opinion that a person is at risk, as above, and make them go to medical help (by force or otherwise).

Under this section, ambos can't form that opinion, but if someone else does (eg Police, or medical practitioner), then ambos can use force - if they do, it is not considered assault.

In practice, they don't use force, they get Police to do it for them

(6)   An ambulance officer—
   (a)   may, if summoned by a person exercising powers under this section in relation to a particular person, convey that person to such place as the person exercising the powers specifies; and
   (b)   may use such force as is reasonably necessary for the purpose.

And (

A member of the police force and an ambulance officer may assist each other in the exercise of powers under this section

So each can assist the other - so an ambo can assist a police officer is holding a patient down, whilst getting them to hospital

As for waiting outside a house for police to come, as the patient wouldn't let the nurse / Doctor / ambo in, that is another power under the Act - still under Section 23

(5) A member of the police force may, in exercising powers under this section, break into any premises, using only such force as is reasonably necessary for the purpose

Although, anyone has Common Law right to break into a premises, to protect life & property....but in the cases of Mental Health issues, it will be the police who do the job....

I hope that clears up the issue of detaining mental health patients.....

Pip
(Who gets to deal with them almost every working day)

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #66 on:** July 26, 2007, 10:06:02 AM »

Thanks Pip, that was the information I had also. - An ambo couldn't actually just detain someone one (remove their freedom - so to speak), unless someone had been 23'd by SAPOL.. - So really it is SAPOL who are enforcing the act, and SAAS who are transporting them due to the possible risk of self harm or what ever else, under the act.. (On SAPOL's behalf)..

sesroadcrashrescue · « **Reply #67 on:** August 23, 2007, 05:15:57 PM »

saas have changed a heap of things now they have phsyc transfer teams SAPOL no longer help us with people that have been detained under s23 or s41

cat 7 is vicheal movement usualy to fullum for fleet change

the STAR system has been used to make it easy for call takers to give an ambulance a catagory from 1 to 7

there are no volunteer paramedics in SA and will be like that for a long time yet all volunteers are ambulance officers Cert 4 BEC

a L4 call sign is (town)400 so if i was a L4 i would be Kapunda400

volunteers are oncall cars using town 81 between 8 and 1800 and are town 181 between 1800 and 800 on call paramedics in counrty areas are town 188 and respond from home to a meeting point near the call one will have the ambulance the other will have a car both with kits etc in them the car non strecher though

a 40 is a sporting standby

81= first car from sation emerg
82= second car from sation emerg

if there is anything else i can help with let me know il try and help cheers

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #68 on:** August 23, 2007, 09:38:46 PM »

Quote from: sesroadcrashrescue on August 23, 2007, 05:15:57 PM

saas have changed a heap of things now they have phsyc transfer teams SAPOL no longer help us with people that have been detained under s23 or s41

The Psych Transport Team has implemented a few changes, however it doesnt stop Police sectioning someone under the act.

Just changes it down the track once they are in hospital etc. - Freeing up Police resources for other duties, and keeping Paramedics/Ambulance officers safer as they no longer have to transport without the protection now involved in the Psych Team transfers.

sesroadcrashrescue · « **Reply #69 on:** August 24, 2007, 12:06:54 AM »

your not reading it all i said that the police dont help us transfer anymore never said they couldnt section them i have been on a job where some one was detained under the metal health act but if some one is detained we are ment to wait for psyc to get there and take over the job unless they have a medical emergency and need urgent medical aid

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #70 on:** August 24, 2007, 01:23:42 AM »

I read it fine.

6739264 · « **Reply #71 on:** August 24, 2007, 09:07:27 AM »

My mong alarm is starting to go off....

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #72 on:** August 24, 2007, 02:10:16 PM »

haha..

adelaide_medic · « **Reply #73 on:** October 18, 2007, 03:37:46 PM »

Quote from: medevac on March 22, 2006, 11:32:26 PM

hmmm saw a "cat7" the other day... any ideas? typo?

Cat7 is a drive down to the depot (at fulham) or delivery of paperwork to headquarters.

Categories are given so that fleets can be tracked via case numbers. Case numbers cannot be generated unless a category is given.

Hope that makes some sense!

boredmatrix · « **Reply #74 on:** November 09, 2007, 02:30:27 AM »

Quote from: sesroadcrashrescue on August 24, 2007, 12:06:54 AM

but if some one is detained we are ment to wait for psyc to get there and take over the job unless they have a medical emergency and need urgent medical aid

the Psych truck (MH cars) are Mental Health Nurses who work closely with ACIS in order to take the workload off of SAAS crews in the Metro Area.(let's face it - most psych patients don't need to lie on a bed to be taken to hospital!!) ACIS also has a MH nurse in the comms room who will spend time talking to the psych patient on the phone rather than just routinely send an ambulance out and take the patient taken to hosp.

as for the newest addition to the mental health transfer - ATS staff are now providing the "escort" (including flying with the RFDS) because SAPOL simply don't have the staff to send an escort every time a patient has been detained. Only down side is that this person is not a paramedic - hence cannot sedate the patient if required - a paramedic is still needed in these instances.