Author Topic: SAAS Responding Other Services.. (Read 368150 times)

medevac · « **Reply #300 on:** January 27, 2007, 10:13:38 AM »

good point SAFirey, if you come across a prang and think that CFS or MFS are required, then i wouldnt even worry abotu suggesting it to ambos (unless the car is in the process of being loaded onto a tow truck) id just phone MFS or CFS comms

Camo · « **Reply #301 on:** January 27, 2007, 10:18:08 AM »

It will cause a nice mess one day. Ambos will be attending to the patient in the car seat and the car will ignite/explode because no one disconnected the battery etc and the firies werent called until it was too late.

Coroner will have a field day

SA Firey · « **Reply #302 on:** January 27, 2007, 11:26:38 AM »

Too much apathy out there "it wont happen to me attitude"

Better to have resources responded than none at all

Scania_1 · « **Reply #303 on:** January 27, 2007, 12:15:50 PM »

We have an arrangement down here in the South East whereby the fire service/rescue resource is responded to all vehicle accidents. Whether the initial call is received by sapol or saas they pass it on to fire/rescue. We are often reponded within 2 mins sometimes sooner. If its only minor we usually are utilised for fire cover and traffic control if nothing else.

1905686 12:17:40 27-01-07 MFS: RESPOND Vehicle Accident 27/01/07 12:17,AVEY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,CNR JUBILEE HWY WEST - SPILL ONLY,DAILY INC. NO. 19,74629 701*CFSRES:
1928012 12:17:31 27-01-07 MFS: RESPOND Vehicle Accident 27/01/07 12:17,AVEY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,CNR JUBILEE HWY WEST - SPILL ONLY,DAILY INC. NO. 19,74629 701*CFSRES:
1906658 12:17:29 27-01-07 MFS: RESPOND Vehicle Accident 27/01/07 12:17,AVEY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,CNR JUBILEE HWY WEST - SPILL ONLY,DAILY INC. NO. 19,74629 701*CFSRES:
1924962 12:16:59 27-01-07 MG84 Cat2 Jubilee Hwy W, Mount Gambier C172 D8
1908548 12:16:57 27-01-07 MG84 Cat2 Jubilee Hwy W, Mount Gambier C172 D8

Darius · « **Reply #304 on:** January 29, 2007, 10:40:13 AM »

Quote from: Mundcfs on January 26, 2007, 09:10:44 PM

Don't get it, they respond a service that is 45+mins away including response time and we are 20mins away and have done jobs with them to that boat ramp before not smart???

SAAS have auditors that investigate these things so have your Capt/GO fill in the form. We have done several (lots) and region 1 are very aware of the problems.

backburn · « **Reply #305 on:** January 29, 2007, 02:34:38 PM »

We responded to two car MVA with both cars on fire the ambo crew put there vehicle in the way we could not get in closes enough to the cars the had walking wounded but sat them down on the road between us and the fire. We asked for them to move but got told to pxxx off they had work to do just put the bxxxxy fire out. Then asked us to move our hoses as the where in there way. Pity the Captain did not request a debrief over this one.

alphaone · « **Reply #306 on:** January 29, 2007, 02:51:39 PM »

If I was the officer in charge of your appliance I would of told the SAAS crew if they want the fire out then move out of the filtered way.

backburn · « **Reply #307 on:** January 29, 2007, 03:00:45 PM »

He tried to do it diplomatically but they would not move luckily we managed to stop the fuel from running down towards them and there Patience's and vehicle. The police did not help out any either they kept getting in to the smoke and in between the two cars could have been very nasty if things went bang.

medevac · « **Reply #308 on:** January 29, 2007, 07:33:13 PM »

who cares what is in the way?

if SAAs are in a stupid position then so be it... there fault. you explain the danger they are putting themselves in and if they choose to ignore you then its there asses on the line..

get in there and do it, same as any job.

then put in a complaint formally after the incident.

loopylou · « **Reply #309 on:** January 29, 2007, 08:56:11 PM »

maybe its the horrid green color they wear that effects their common sense!! - Just joking all you ambos out there.

Ryan · « **Reply #310 on:** January 29, 2007, 09:06:00 PM »

Criticism of other emergency services should probably go in the members forums so the public dont get the wrong idea. Weve all had good bad great horrid times with other services.

loopylou · « **Reply #311 on:** January 29, 2007, 09:15:18 PM »

That's true, we all make mistakes. And we always seem to remember and criticise the bad things instead of the good things. Sorry Ambos

sapolpd · « **Reply #312 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:51:50 PM »

1924063   12:04:33 31-01-07   S81 Cat2 100 Main St, Hahndorf 159 B3 TRAFFIC
1915607   12:05:25 31-01-07   MB81 Cat2 100 Main St, Hahndorf 159 B3 TRAFFIC
1908907   12:07:07 31-01-07   SHQ: *CFSRES: MT BARKER & HAHNDORF RESPOND MVA MAIN ST, HAHNDORF, ADELAIDE SIDE OF OLD MILL, SINGLE VEHICLE < 31/01/2007 12:06:56
1908904   12:07:09 31-01-07   SHQ: *CFSRES: MT BARKER & HAHNDORF RESPOND MVA MAIN ST, HAHNDORF, ADELAIDE SIDE OF OLD MILL, SINGLE VEHICLE < 31/01/2007 12:06:56
1908911   12:07:11 31-01-07   SHQ: *CFSRES: MT BARKER & HAHNDORF RESPOND MVA MAIN ST, HAHNDORF, ADELAIDE SIDE OF OLD MILL, SINGLE VEHICLE < 31/01/2007 12:07:00
1908904   12:07:12 31-01-07   SHQ: *CFSRES: MT BARKER & HAHNDORF RESPOND MVA MAIN ST, HAHNDORF, ADELAIDE SIDE OF OLD MILL, SINGLE VEHICLE < 31/01/2007 12:07:00
1908911   12:07:54 31-01-07   MFS: RESPOND BUILD IMPACT 31/01/07 12:06,100 MAIN ST,HAHNDORF, MAP 159 B 3 ,,UNKNOWN ENTRAPMENTS - KINDRED SPIRIT SHOP CALL FROM SAAS,DAILY INC. NO. 32,1279 72120 1228*CFSRES:
1908904   12:07:56 31-01-07   MFS: RESPOND BUILD IMPACT 31/01/07 12:06,100 MAIN ST,HAHNDORF, MAP 159 B 3 ,,UNKNOWN ENTRAPMENTS - KINDRED SPIRIT SHOP CALL FROM SAAS,DAILY INC. NO. 32,1279 72120 1228*CFSRES:
1908002   12:08:05 31-01-07   MFS: RESPOND BUILD IMPACT 31/01/07 12:06,100 MAIN ST,HAHNDORF, MAP 159 B 3 ,,UNKNOWN ENTRAPMENTS - KINDRED SPIRIT SHOP CALL FROM SAAS,DAILY INC. NO. 32,1279 72120 1228*CFSRES:
1928011   12:08:07 31-01-07   MFS: RESPOND BUILD IMPACT 31/01/07 12:06,100 MAIN ST,HAHNDORF, MAP 159 B 3 ,,UNKNOWN ENTRAPMENTS - KINDRED SPIRIT SHOP CALL FROM SAAS,DAILY INC. NO. 32,1279 72120 1228*CFSRES:
1908907   12:08:16 31-01-07   MFS: RESPOND BUILD IMPACT 31/01/07 12:06,100 MAIN ST,HAHNDORF, MAP 159 B 3 ,,UNKNOWN ENTRAPMENTS - KINDRED SPIRIT SHOP CALL FROM SAAS,DAILY INC. NO. 32,1279 72120 1228*CFSRES:
1908904   12:08:18 31-01-07   MFS: RESPOND BUILD IMPACT 31/01/07 12:06,100 MAIN ST,HAHNDORF, MAP 159 B 3 ,,UNKNOWN ENTRAPMENTS - KINDRED SPIRIT SHOP CALL FROM SAAS,DAILY INC. NO. 32,1279 72120 1228*CFSRES:

Looks like a text book case of good notification SOPs being followed by SAAS.

JC · « **Reply #313 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:35:03 PM »

It can also be a case of the caller information as to why CFS/MFS dont get responded.

Darius · « **Reply #314 on:** February 01, 2007, 08:20:33 AM »

also remember you can't point the finger just from reading the pager messages, there's a lot more goes on behind the scenes (eg. one incident my group formally complained about turned out to be sapol comcen at fault, not SAAS as it appeared from the pager messages).

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #315 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:08:45 PM »

1924962 15:09:07 21-02-07 G81 Cat2 Cnr Hillier Rd, Evanston 23 F16 TRAFFIC
1924690 15:09:03 21-02-07 G81 Cat2 Cnr Hillier Rd, Evanston 23 F16 TRAFFIC

1926877 15:24:18 21-02-07 MFS: RESPOND RCR 21/02/07 15:23,HILLIER RD,EVANSTON, MAP 23 F 16 ,,1 PERSON TRAPPED NEAR PRZIBILLA RD,DAILY INC. NO. 31,359 332*CFSRES:

mengcfs · « **Reply #316 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:22:18 PM »

Hate to be the person trapped

mengcfs · « **Reply #317 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:44:54 PM »

14:22:46 22-02-07 MU84 Cat4 Tailem Bend Oval - Town Second Av, Tailem Bend C259 E5

14:56:29 22-02-07 SHQ: CFSRES: TAILEM BEND RESPOND HELICOPTER LANDING SITE, TAILEM BEND OVAL, HELICOPTER ETA 1500, FOR MEDICAL RETRIEVAL < 22/02/2007 2:56:19 PM

15:06:54 22-02-07 SHQ: CFSRES: TAILEM BEND RESPOND HELICOPTER LANDING SITE, SECURITY OF OVAL REQUIRED FROM PASSERS BY, FROM SAAS < 22/02/2007 3:06:43 PM

That's not bad giving them 4 minutes notice!!

SA Firey · « **Reply #318 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:22:31 PM »

Quote from: mengcfs on February 22, 2007, 01:44:54 PM

14:22:46 22-02-07 MU84 Cat4 Tailem Bend Oval - Town Second Av, Tailem Bend C259 E5

14:56:29 22-02-07 SHQ: CFSRES: TAILEM BEND RESPOND HELICOPTER LANDING SITE, TAILEM BEND OVAL, HELICOPTER ETA 1500, FOR MEDICAL RETRIEVAL < 22/02/2007 2:56:19 PM

15:06:54 22-02-07 SHQ: CFSRES: TAILEM BEND RESPOND HELICOPTER LANDING SITE, SECURITY OF OVAL REQUIRED FROM PASSERS BY, FROM SAAS < 22/02/2007 3:06:43 PM

That's not bad giving them 4 minutes notice!!

Thats ok they have got 6 minutes to default

Scania_1 · « **Reply #319 on:** March 10, 2007, 02:04:44 PM »

Bit of a time lag
15:16:52 10-03-07 AV81 No crew rostered Urgent case in area contact comms ONLY if able to attend

15:29:42 10-03-07 SHQ: *CFSRES: AMERICAN RIVER RESPOND AIRCRAFT INCIDENT, MUSTON HEIGHTS AIRSTRIP, AMERICAN RIVER. LIGHT AIRCRAFT FLIPPED ON LANDING... > 10/03/2007 3:29:32 PM

mengcfs · « **Reply #320 on:** March 27, 2007, 04:28:55 PM »

1915607 15:26:59 27-03-07 MB81 ARE YOU ABLE TO CLEAR FOR A CAT 2 IN FLAXLEY?
SAAS - Mt Barker

1924962 15:27:44 27-03-07 MB81 Cat2 Strathalbyn Rd, Flaxley R007103
SAAS - STATEWIDE TEAM LEADERS INFO

1908911 15:36:20 27-03-07 MFS: RESPOND RCR 27/03/07 15:35,WISTOW-STRATHALBYN RD,WISTOW, MAP 000 0 0 ,,QUAD BIKE ROLL OVER OUTSIDE PROPERTY OF PANKINA RAPID NO. 007 103,DAILY INC. NO. 37,1279*CFSRES:
CFS - Mt barker

1908906 15:45:21 27-03-07 MFS: RESPOND RCR 27/03/07 15:45,ALDGATE-STRATHALBY RD,FLAXLEY, MAP 183 J 15 ,,QUAD BIKE ROLL OVER OUTSIDE OF PANKINA.,DAILY INC. NO. 37,1218*CFSRES:
CFS - Echunga Response

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #321 on:** March 27, 2007, 11:24:30 PM »

We had the R1 commander come down for a meeting and we brought this topic up, we were told that CFS is trying to do something about this but it's not easy because the call takers and dispatchers don't use the RCR book and aren't really all that willing to fix the problem.

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JC · « **Reply #322 on:** April 04, 2007, 01:01:41 PM »

Like i said previously, SAAS can only go on the information that they are given on the phone and in life threatening cases the SAAS comms person maybe giving treatment advise to the caller over the phone.

When a ambo arrives there first priority is (as every one that has done a first aid course should know) is DRABC, if there is no danger they will attend the patient and do there primary survey then call for any assistance required, if there is danger they will call for CFS/MFS. A stable patient is not going to be affected by 10min delay in rescue response. Only when the patient is time critical is it vital to have rescue responded ASAP. There priority is the patient.

I'm also sure that if every 000 call was made by some one in some form of emergency service then no details would be missed, but there not some people get so paniced by the situation that they can barley talk.

RescueHazmat · « **Reply #323 on:** April 04, 2007, 02:43:35 PM »

Quote from: jasec on April 04, 2007, 01:01:41 PM

Like i said previously, SAAS can only go on the information that they are given on the phone and in life threatening cases the SAAS comms person maybe giving treatment advise to the caller over the phone.

When a ambo arrives there first priority is (as every one that has done a first aid course should know) is DRABC, if there is no danger they will attend the patient and do there primary survey then call for any assistance required, if there is danger they will call for CFS/MFS. A stable patient is not going to be affected by 10min delay in rescue response. Only when the patient is time critical is it vital to have rescue responded ASAP. There priority is the patient.

I'm also sure that if every 000 call was made by some one in some form of emergency service then no details would be missed, but there not some people get so paniced by the situation that they can barley talk.

I think the biggest point people are trying to make has been missed in your post.. (Or you may just not have said it..) .. But most the peep's are trying to get at the initial response, which should be all services in a non Metro Area.. It shouldnt be left to arrival and then the requesting of resources, all 3 should be sent at the beginning..

JC · « **Reply #324 on:** April 04, 2007, 05:13:38 PM »

Thats a fair point, it seems that since SAAS have merged all there regional comms rooms, ie Far North, Sth East into a central comms area in the city this situation has become worse. I know that when the comms at Pt Aug was moved to the city we dont get called to back up the Roxby SAAS vollies to Cat 1 & 2 jobs any more.