SAAS Responding Other Services..

[Alan (Big Al)]

1908991 01:05:03 04-11-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 04/11/06 01:04,AYR ST,BRIDGEWATER, MAP 158 E 1 ,,PERSON TRAPPED UNDER VEHICLE, NEAR TOWERS RD,9019 8924*CFSRES:

1908998 01:05:01 04-11-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 04/11/06 01:04,AYR ST,BRIDGEWATER, MAP 158 E 1 ,,PERSON TRAPPED UNDER VEHICLE, NEAR TOWERS RD,9019 8924*CFSRES:

1924962 00:49:48 04-11-06 MB181 Cat2 Ayr St, Bridgewater 158 E1
1924962 00:49:01 04-11-06 MB181 Cat2 Ayr St, Bridgewater 158 E1
1915607 00:48:58 04-11-06 MB181 Cat2 Ayr St, Bridgewater 158 E1

**Shakes Head**

[2090]

15 minutes... thats not bad consdering the travel time for Mt. Barker Ambos to bridgie? I guess if SACSD comes in, CFS and SES are going to be doing a lot more initial patient care at incidents, due to the travel time for the ambos.

[RescueHazmat]

I think the problem being pointed out is the fact that all services are to be responded initially, when outside of the metro area.

[medevac]

2090 - thats exactly right, CFS/SES/MFS should be responded at the same time as SAAS, as sometimes they will arrive first in areas that SAAS are light on and be able to administer patient care until there arrival.

thats why the RCR directory stipulates their immediate response in rural areas.

[mengcfs]

A little off topic but still on response times.
There was a page go out for an ambulance yesterday....

16:32:48 08-11-06 ME81 Cat2 17 Taplin St, Point Mcleay

The ambulance went past my work 18 minutes later.
Should SAAS implement a default system?

[Alan (Big Al)]

Default to who???

We had a job a few weeks back to assist SAAS and the primary ambulance was Rescue51 because there were no other ambulances available.

[mengcfs]

We are in a rural area, our next three closest ambulances are in towns 30 minutes away, probably 20 minutes in an ambulance, if a crew can't get going within 18 minutes surely they have to look at something.

[Alan (Big Al)]

Agree with you there may have been circumstances such as being at another job, but i believe if SAAS are going to be that slow then why not show the local CFS/SES how to drive the merc's and just call them, i know they've done it at Mannum before??

[5271rescue]

we have been showen how to drive both the ambulances here as well as where keys are kept if we have to come and get the spare,also we have a really good working relationship with the full time SAAS crews here as one  brigade member is in the SAAS team.

[mengcfs]

Agree with you there may have been circumstances such as being at another job, but i believe if SAAS are going to be that slow then why not show the local CFS/SES how to drive the merc's and just call them, i know they've done it at Mannum before??

We also have a great working relationship with our local SAAS. They are and have been in dire staights (sp) for some time. We were approached by them if we would assist with driving ambulances, not P1, but back from a job. Our Regional commander flatly refused!

[Alan (Big Al)]

The he's an idiot, but i bet he wouldn't disagree if you drove one for a big incident?? :roll:

[5271rescue]

There is no ruling on CFS members driving an ambulance for SAAS as long as you know how to drive it we have had this discussion with our R/C,I think you will find Adam a brigade up the road from you on that busy highway has 10 members who have been trained in how to drive the SAAS ambulance and have done so,lets face it if they are busy with a patient what are you going to do sit back and wait for tailem bend??? Don't think so. What happened to cross agency's working as a team

[SA Firey]

Our Regional commander flatly refused!

It has been a common practice even since I was an AO, for other emergency service personnel to drive the ambulance if the ambulance crews were busy in the back with a cardiac arrest for example.SAPOL,CFS,SES members have performed this task on many ocassions over the years so your RO needs to pull his head in. :evil:

And they are AUTOMATICS dead easy to drive :-D   

[mengcfs]

Have driven the ambulance as a civilian before. You know the story small town, everyone knows everyone! I was at the scene of a collapse, two of my friends were on call and asked me to drive the ambulance back to hospital. They just make a quick call to their comms, they OK'd it and job was right.

[5271rescue]

I think it only a matter of time and CFS will be auto default for SAAS in rural areas as long as crews have done a first responder course. The CFA is going that way in some area's of that state and from what I did hear is working well.

[SA Firey]

Probably like they enhanced 000 like they trialled down here nearest emergency service

[Alan (Big Al)]

1909162 06:27:08 25-11-06 SHQ: CFSRES: DUBLIN & TWO WELLS - PLS ORGANISE A LANDING ZONE FOR RESCUE 51 - MONITOR TG 020 - HELICOPTER WILL CONTACT YOU ON APPROACH. - NO ETA AT THIS STAGE. < 25/11/2006 06:26:54 

1909163 06:15:13 25-11-06 SHQ: CFSRES: DUBLIN & TWO WELLS RESPOND MVA PORT WAKEFIELD RD, LOWER LIGHT NEAR BIG RABBIT RD - SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER < 25/11/2006 06:15:00

1924962 05:48:10 25-11-06 MA181 Cat2 Big Rabbit Rd, Lower Light
1924962 05:47:41 25-11-06 MA181 Cat2 Big Rabbit Rd, Lower Light
1916070 05:47:36 25-11-06 MA181 Cat2 Big Rabbit Rd, Lower Light

That is ridiculous, i can't speculate as to where this call came from but nearly half an hour is beyond a joke. That area has a lot of serious road accidents yet is one of the worst for having delayed calls. :x
We are currently having trouble getting our complaints past group level it's really starting to get irritating.

[medevac]

MEH, just bypass the group

[SA Firey]

It was Roger's fault :-D

[oz fire]

I think it only a matter of time and CFS will be auto default for SAAS in rural areas as long as crews have done a first responder course. The CFA is going that way in some area's of that state and from what I did hear is working well.

Blinky - more likely the emergency services, not specifically CFS. There are a number of areas around the state where additional training is currently occuring and soon additional equipment will be implemented to assist in the shortfalls and to provide local backup - for life threat only, not transport and not Cat3 and below cases.

As you know we also already have several first responders - and these are CFS.

[Alan (Big Al)]

1908073 20:28:22 26-01-07 MFS: RESPOND Assist SAAS 26/01/07 20:27,MONUMENT RD,HINDMARSH ISLAND, MAP 308 Q 6 ,,PATIENT WITH HEART CONDITION, ON BOAT, ABOUT TO BE AT MUNDOO CHANNEL BOAT RAMP,DAILY INC. NO. 53,73229*CFSRES:

Don't get it, they respond a service that is 45+mins away including response time and we are 20mins away and have done jobs with them to that boat ramp before not smart??????

Mind you some of the SAAS crew down here are supporters of the SES(i'm not saying i'm not or that they shouldn't be:-)) and request them for the job even though they are further away just because they have family or friends in the service??

[RescueHazmat]

Yeah, you would think the nearest and most appropriate service would be responded..

In this case, that service being CFS..

[loopylou]

I think something has to be said about the training that AO's receive, i've happened to come accross a couple of minor VA's in the city where the ambo's are in attendance and the firies haven't been called and i can clearly see that fluids are leaking from the bottom of the car, and that there is damage under the bonnet. Upon informing them that i'm an off duty firie and asking the Ao's if the ignition is switched off and the battery disconnected, they have said "no it doesn't need doing", and then when i've said "yes it does, the car is not safe", they've rolled their eyes and got all shitty about it. I mean come on, i'm only looking out for them and the vehicle owners safety.

[medevac]

yeh but its not the ambos issue...


its up top there commcen to call the other relevant services, and inside metro area there is no steadfast rule about the fire service being turned out

[SA Firey]

I have come across VA's as well and suggested the same thing and a very terse you are not required comes back..Volunteer bashing at its best.
So I just ring MFS myself :-D