SAAS Responding Other Services..

chook · December 26, 2007, 01:48:36 PM

MMM, so thats what I've done wrong :-D
I have no fears of my bosses as the ae well aware of my opinions, and i'm very careful not to step over the line. Unlike some :wink:
And you may have noticed the Avitar is gone, can'tbe accused of inappropriate use of a corporate symbol.
cheers

RescueHazmat · December 26, 2007, 04:35:14 PM

Wasn't referring to yours chook.. - The person you were talking too a few posts ago is in the same boat.

chook · December 26, 2007, 04:45:17 PM

Yeah I know mate was just joshin - I was also trying to give a very gentle hint :wink:
cheers

RescueHazmat · December 26, 2007, 08:11:09 PM

hehe.. Too easy.

bajdas · December 27, 2007, 08:34:21 AM

Quote from: chook on December 26, 2007, 01:48:36 PM
MMM, so thats what I've done wrong :-D
I have no fears of my bosses as the ae well aware of my opinions, and i'm very careful not to step over the line. Unlike some :wink:
And you may have noticed the Avitar is gone, can'tbe accused of inappropriate use of a corporate symbol.
cheers

Yeh yeh, I know...I got my hand spanked again by the hierarchy the week before Christmas. Nice Christmas present.....but it answered some questions on my future.... :|

chook · December 27, 2007, 08:43:30 AM

You will have to let me know more Andrew, because it depends what for - there is such a thing as free speech you know. Not on here but :wink:

jaff · December 27, 2007, 10:58:18 PM

Heard of a interesting discussion with David Place at one of SAFECOMS presentations one evening ,he is aware that other services feel that there is a problem with SAAS dispatch of complimentary services but its a "procedural issue"ie operators working their way through set procedures ,patient details and the like.

One of the SAAS CRD personnel that was present was summoned to give the good oil on the situation ,NO WAY was there a institutionalised problem the discussed incidents were anomolies,after much talk it was agreed that a SAAS "issues register", to track any, if at all of these suppossed problems might be the way to go, that way they could be documented and actioned IF it proves to be the case, hopefully this might see the light of day.

In saying this ,might a "issues register" for every agency be appropriate?????
Lets hope we can all sit back and look it for what it is ,emergency service organisations taking constructive critism ,that will cause our respective agencies to look at their SOPS to see if they could be improved,before it goes to far and somebody ends up crying, funding not withstanding.

Cheers Jaff

SA Firey · December 30, 2007, 10:14:45 AM

Thas like SOP 2.8 that states SAPOL should be called for all incidents but a lot of brigades dont bother

safireservice · December 30, 2007, 10:38:16 AM

Quote from: SA Firey on December 30, 2007, 10:14:45 AM
Thas like SOP 2.8 that states SAPOL should be called for all incidents but a lot of brigades dont bother

Thats cause no-one want to hang around for an hour or 2 waiting for them.

SA Firey · December 30, 2007, 11:14:24 AM

Quote from: safireservice2009 on December 30, 2007, 10:38:16 AM
Quote from: SA Firey on December 30, 2007, 10:14:45 AM
Thas like SOP 2.8 that states SAPOL should be called for all incidents but a lot of brigades dont bother
Thats cause no-one want to hang around for an hour or 2 waiting for them.

BOOM BOOM

As long as you report the incident at least

mack · December 31, 2007, 07:52:13 PM

Quote from: SA Firey on December 30, 2007, 10:14:45 AM
Thas like SOP 2.8 that states SAPOL should be called for all incidents but a lot of brigades dont bother

all "fire" incidents...

SA Firey · December 31, 2007, 08:00:46 PM

Quote from: mack on December 31, 2007, 07:52:13 PM
Quote from: SA Firey on December 30, 2007, 10:14:45 AM
Thas like SOP 2.8 that states SAPOL should be called for all incidents but a lot of brigades dont bother

all "fire" incidents...

I think you should read page 59 of the COSO's :wink:

RescueHazmat · December 31, 2007, 08:31:10 PM

So Jim and Janes pet kitty up a tree, and we have to ring SAPOL !?!?!? .. - No wonder people don't!

JC · January 01, 2008, 12:18:02 PM

Quote from: RescueHazmat on December 31, 2007, 08:31:10 PM
So Jim and Janes pet kitty up a tree, and we have to ring SAPOL !?!?!? .. - No wonder people don't!

If kitty resists the jet, SAPOL + Firearm = problem solved. Sorry i hate cats. :-D

mack · January 01, 2008, 12:37:33 PM

maybe you should have a re-read...

SOP 2.8
Responding SA Police to Vehicle Accidents, Fires and Other Emergencies

"this SOP relates to vehicle accidents, all fire types: structure (including electrical), rubbish bins, vehicle fires, brush fence fires, explosions and rural type fires."

:wink:

jaff · January 23, 2008, 08:43:36 PM

Well its finally happened there are now separate issues registers for the services,so if you suffer from a extended paging/response delay before your called to a MVA put in a issues register, so that a reasonably accurate picture of the state of play can be seen!!
These response delays have been talked about adnauseum, now there is a vehicle to either show it to be the case or discount it! Its up to the masses to drive this issue if we want it addressed, if it happens to you put,register an issue immediately so that it can be addressed while its relevant.
Please note this is not a witch hunt, its a quick documented way of addressing what has been talked about for years.

Cheers Jaff

safireservice · January 23, 2008, 09:31:40 PM

It will be like the other issues forms. Straight through the shredder!

Alan J · January 23, 2008, 10:51:11 PM

Quote from: jaff on January 23, 2008, 08:43:36 PM

Please note this is not a witch hunt, its a quick documented way of addressing what has been talked about for years.

Cheers Jaff

Where & how do we submit items for the issues registers ?

cheers
AJ

jaff · January 24, 2008, 07:20:09 AM

The issue registers are compiled at the regional offices,it will be addressed.

Darius · January 24, 2008, 07:51:06 AM

Quote from: StopCallKing on January 23, 2008, 10:51:11 PM
Where & how do we submit items for the issues registers ?
cheers
AJ

Region 1 sent the form out months ago (it's not new), otherwise download it from:
http://www.cfs.org.au/sacad/CRD_Registration_of_Issues_Form_NEW.doc

jaff · January 24, 2008, 08:23:13 AM

Darius your right! it is not new as such, but what is new is that the regions(region 1 at least)are now breaking up the register to individual agencies to try to get to the root cause of some of our angst, again if we dont document it time and time again, we cant build a case for procedural change.

Crownie24 · January 25, 2008, 04:39:47 PM

1924962 17:58:56 25-01-08 BL181 Cat2 Dirt Rd, Owen SAAS: Aldinga
1916025 18:01:18 25-01-08 BL181 STILL LOOKING FOR 2ND CREW MEMBER FOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT AT OWEN. THANK YOU SAAS: Balaklava

The current set up is wrong, SES (If primary rescue) and CFS should have been responded at 17:58 as well...Its precious minutes counting by and more so if fire is involved...

I don't fully understand the CAD system, will this be resolved when its fully implemented?

SA Firey · January 25, 2008, 04:46:38 PM

At least a CFS appliance has more likelyhood of having a first aider on it at least get them going :?

Crownie24 · January 25, 2008, 04:50:50 PM

Yeah definitely, not only that if they get responded at the call they can arrive at probably the same time as SAAS, either way it will cut some time of how long it is before they arrive.

chook · January 25, 2008, 05:07:00 PM

SES RCR would definitely have first aiders on board, yep I was curious about that page too. Just thought its all been said previously & seems to be the exception rather than the rule these days.
cheers

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