SAAS Responding Other Services..

[Alan (Big Al)]

Where is the SES for this job
SHQ: CFSRES: GOOLWA RESPOND MVA CAR INTO SHOP, CORNER DAWSON & CADELL ST, GOOLWA, REAR OF SHOPPING CENTRE > 8/09/2006 3:29:34 PM

Well was just at that job and it was a nothing call car into a stone wall with minor damage driver with shock happened about 20mins before anyone was called and the car was being put on to a tow truck when we arrived.

[Darius]

and this one really takes the biscuit (SAAS have been having a real good day, think I'll stop pointing out all the stuff-ups now):

15:36:21  08-09-06  S81 Cat2 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:45:33  08-09-06  MB81 Cat3 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:48:45  08-09-06  W81 Cat2 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:59:07  08-09-06  CT71 Cat3 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
16:05:01  08-09-06  MFS: RESPOND RCR 08/09/06 16:04,SOUTH EASTERN FWY,STIRLING, MAP 145 C 11 ,,HALF KM EAST STRILING INTERCHANGE.,9019 8824

I heard it on the mix-fm traffic report at around 15:45.

What I suspect happened is someone (SAAS?) decided on no CFS response, then there was a second prang (van rollover) near the first 5 car prang and that is what CFS were finally responded to.

How come it's thought to be serious enough for 4 different ambulances (including from the city and murray bridge!) but not for fire cover or rescue?

I reckon Bridgewater and Stirling should put in RCR grievance forms.

[Alan (Big Al)]

When i was at the station the other day i heard a MVA come over for SAAS about 10km out of town and thought here we go, but after a half an hour the local SAAS came up and said that they were on they're way to the hospital with a patient with spinal and chest injuries, yet us and our next brigade were never called. How Stupid can they get.

I may piss a few people off with what I'm about to say but everytime SAPOL get an MVA call they call SAAS and fire and rescue but when SAAS are the first receivers of the call this only happens sometimes, you know it's like we'll deal with our end but if no one rocks up then oh well we've got the person out it doesn't matter if fire and SaPol aren't here. End Rant

[SA Firey]

and this one really takes the biscuit (SAAS have been having a real good day, think I'll stop pointing out all the stuff-ups now):

15:36:21  08-09-06  S81 Cat2 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:45:33  08-09-06  MB81 Cat3 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:48:45  08-09-06  W81 Cat2 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:59:07  08-09-06  CT71 Cat3 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
16:05:01  08-09-06  MFS: RESPOND RCR 08/09/06 16:04,SOUTH EASTERN FWY,STIRLING, MAP 145 C 11 ,,HALF KM EAST STRILING INTERCHANGE.,9019 8824

I heard it on the mix-fm traffic report at around 15:45.

What I suspect happened is someone (SAAS?) decided on no CFS response, then there was a second prang (van rollover) near the first 5 car prang and that is what CFS were finally responded to.

How come it's thought to be serious enough for 4 different ambulances (including from the city and murray bridge!) but not for fire cover or rescue?

I reckon Bridgewater and Stirling should put in RCR grievance forms.

Agree this is happening on a daily basis...who are SAAS to say there is no reason for fire cover every accident is a potential fire

[Alan (Big Al)]

1909036 18:51:24 08-09-06 SHQ: CFSRES: WOODCHESTER RESPOND MVA SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER, WELLINGTON RD, OUTSIDE BRYN VILLA

 1916079 18:54:37 08-09-06 ST181 Cat2 Wellington Rd, Woodchester

  No rescue responded here, don't know the circumstances of this one but once again all services need to sit down and sort this filtered out.

[Toast]

and this one really takes the biscuit (SAAS have been having a real good day, think I'll stop pointing out all the stuff-ups now):

15:36:21  08-09-06  S81 Cat2 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:45:33  08-09-06  MB81 Cat3 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:48:45  08-09-06  W81 Cat2 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
15:59:07  08-09-06  CT71 Cat3 South Eastern Fwy, Bridgewater 146 H12
16:05:01  08-09-06  MFS: RESPOND RCR 08/09/06 16:04,SOUTH EASTERN FWY,STIRLING, MAP 145 C 11 ,,HALF KM EAST STRILING INTERCHANGE.,9019 8824

I heard it on the mix-fm traffic report at around 15:45.

What I suspect happened is someone (SAAS?) decided on no CFS response, then there was a second prang (van rollover) near the first 5 car prang and that is what CFS were finally responded to.

How come it's thought to be serious enough for 4 different ambulances (including from the city and murray bridge!) but not for fire cover or rescue?

I reckon Bridgewater and Stirling should put in RCR grievance forms.

Now that you mention it... Oddly enough it was Aldgate dual responded with Stirling not Bridgie. What with Stirling also being requested to the RCR earlier in the day in Mt. Barker (they only had three crew) and not getting a page, thigns are looking a little messy.

[Darius]

Now that you mention it... Oddly enough it was Aldgate dual responded with Stirling not Bridgie. What with Stirling also being requested to the RCR earlier in the day in Mt. Barker (they only had three crew) and not getting a page, thigns are looking a little messy.

that's partly what makes me think there was no CFS response to the first prang.  The first 5 car one was reported as near the bridgewater interchange (hence Brdg and Strl should have been responded).  The second van rollover one was reported as just east of the stirling interchange (hence Strl and Aldg got it).

didn't hear about the Mt Barker RCR, how (and by whom) were stirling "requested" if no page?

[CFS_Firey]

Darius, you are quite right about the Freeway prang. No CFS response for the first 2 accidents, but when the second 2 occurred, police requested rescue response (yes, 4 separate accidents in the same place, 9 cars damaged)...
Re: the Mount Barker incident, Mt Barker allegedly asked SOC via radio to respond Stirling, but Stirling never got the page:

MFS: RESPOND Vehicle Accident 08/09/06 08:50,MANN ST,MT BARKER, MAP 172 M 8 ,,IN FRONT OF AMBULANCE STATION. SPILL ONLY.,1279*CFSRES:

SHQ: *CFSRES: LITTLEHAMPTON RESPOND MVA TRAFFIC CONTROL ADELAIDE ROAD MT BARKER ***ASSIST MT BARKER**** < 8/09/2006 09:00:33

[CFS_Firey]

What were they sent for?

[Toast]

What were they sent for?

You know all that Heavy RCR that littlehampton do?!


...What else was there apart from firecover/traffic?

[Alan (Big Al)]

They were sent for E's personal consultation and guidance.

[Toast]

They were sent for E's personal consultation and guidance.

Manny the manwhore, encouragment officer extrodinare!

[Toast]

06:39:50   15-09-06   CB181 Cat2 Stuart Hwy, Coober Pedy C87 B18 POLICE REQUIRED
07:53:20   15-09-06   MFS: RESPOND RCR 15/09/06 07:52,STUART HWY,COOBER PEDY, MAP 0 0 0 ,,100 KM SOUTH OF COOBER PEDY,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER,75529*CFSRES:

Hello there time delay!

[probie_boy]

thats easily a new record... worst thing is that its like an hour and a half trip before they even get to the job.

[SA Firey]

1916034 06:39:50 15-09-06 CB181 Cat2 Stuart Hwy, Coober Pedy C87 B18 POLICE REQUIRED
1916034 06:48:48 15-09-06 CB181 HELLO LOOKING TO SEE IF SECOND CREW AVAILABLE JUST IN CASE - TA LEITH
1916034 07:30:46 15-09-06 CB182 HELLO DEARREN IS AVAILABLE - LOOKING FOR A PERTNER FOR HIM PLS
1919292 07:43:54 15-09-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: COOBER PEDY RESPOND MVA HUTCHINSON ST, COOBER PEDY, POSSIBLE EJECTION FROM VEHICLE, SAAS WILL BE DELAYED DUE TO ANOTHER JOB... 
1918209 07:49:39 15-09-06 MFS: RESPOND Vehicle Accident 15/09/06 07:48,HUTCHISON ST,COOBER PEDY, MAP 0 0 0 ,,PERSON POSSIBLY EJECTED FROM CAR,75529*CFSRES:
1918209 07:53:20 15-09-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 15/09/06 07:52,STUART HWY,COOBER PEDY, MAP 0 0 0 ,,100 KM SOUTH OF COOBER PEDY,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER,75529*CFSRES:





Well this says it all doesnt it...my god

Er hello im dying here when is someone coming to HELP

[corecutters]

Single vehicle rollover, car vs kangaroo. Nil entrapments, nill injuries.

[probie_boy]

Single vehicle rollover, car vs kangaroo. Nil entrapments, nill injuries.

regardless, its still pretty damn average. I would not be happy if i was involved in that accident and was waiting around while crews show up. The fact that it was an accident like that is no excuse.

[corecutters]

Okay..

That is not "one" job.  SAFIRERY has posted more than 1 job in his post.

Yes, fire/ rescue should have been responded in the initial stages, due to it being out of a metropolitan area. However I believe police on scene notified that they were not req.

CB181 HELLO LOOKING TO SEE IF SECOND CREW AVAILABLE JUST IN CASE - TA LEITH - That was a general page notifying that a second crew would be req. if another job came in.


1916034 07:30:46 15-09-06 CB182 HELLO DEARREN IS AVAILABLE - LOOKING FOR A PERTNER FOR HIM PLS - That was a page following up the hutchinson job, which CFS Fire / Rescue were responded to at 7.43. - SES responded at 7.49

Note, totally seperate to the Stuart highway job.

1918209 07:53:20 15-09-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 15/09/06 07:52,STUART HWY,COOBER PEDY, MAP 0 0 0 ,,100 KM SOUTH OF COOBER PEDY,SINGLE VEHICLE ROLLOVER,75529*CFSRES  - That was the first job being phoned in for the second time. - note, SAAS and SAPOL had already attended.

[Alan (Big Al)]

1924962 19:12:19 30-09-06 CB182 Cat2 Stuart Hwy, Coober Pedy C87 B18
1916034 19:11:26 30-09-06 CB181 2ND CREW REQ FOR MVA - DIETER
1924962 19:10:49 30-09-06 CB181 Cat2 Stuart Hwy, Coober Pedy C87 B18 
1924962 19:09:28 30-09-06 CB181 Cat2 Stuart Hwy, Coober Pedy C87 B18
1916034 19:09:25 30-09-06 CB181 Cat2 Stuart Hwy, Coober Pedy C87 B18

Nice to see fire and rescue were responded...Pffft NOT
They like responding SAAS only to VA's up north

*Shakes head with annoyance*

[PF_]

is it an SAAS problem or the person who takes the 000 calls fault for not dispatching CFS as well as ambo's.

[Alan (Big Al)]

It's up to whoever takes the original call to respond all resources

[PF_]

thats right so why is SAAS copping a lot of the blame.

[Alan (Big Al)]

Well i've called SOCC direct before for an MVA that SAAS were already mobile for and without prompting they were going to call SAAS to make sure that an ambulance were on the way, if the call comes in to police they call both services to make sure they've been responded.

I know of four MVA's in our area in the last month all involving injuries or spillage that SAAS hasn't turned anyone out to!!!

So in short they always seem to be the ones stuffing up.
Is this a fair assesment probably not but some people from the respective services need to get their heads together and sort this filtered out.

If you recieve a call from 000 it should be a case of call the others and assume no one else knows???

[medevac]

dont be too ready to soley blame SAAS

P F - any call initially goes ot an agency, at the member of publics discretion (whether they ask for fire, ambulance or police) thuis agency then takes the call and it is up to them to notify the other two. the call isnt given to any of the agencys from an outside source other than the public... (hope that makes sense for you)

SAAS may sometimes be responsible for the fire service not being turned out, but keep in mind that if they recieve the call from SAPOL then they have no obligation whatsoever to contact fire service.... although it is common sense.... as you said, SOCC usually go out of there way to ensure both other services are responding

[Alan (Big Al)]

I apologise if i am giving SAAS a bollocking but down here whenever we get a delayed page for MVA's it usually comes from SAPOL because SAAS have been on scene for a half hour then SAPOL rocks up and realises no fire service and calls us.