SACAD

[Skippy]

One thing's for sure, we have never seen so many 2nd, 3rd or even 4th alarms in such a short time.

[Alex]

One thing's for sure, we have never seen so many 2nd, 3rd or even 4th alarms in such a short time.

The responses have always been greater alarms, CFS has just never labelled them as such.

It makes it extremely easy for units to just pop up on radio and say "transmit second alarm" much better than the old system of listing off brigades.

[flyonthewall]

I'm not sure who programmed what into SACAD but if you ask me, some of the teething issues might require some wisdom teeth being removed.

Of late, I have seen some rather interesting appliance/station responses and movements to firecalls!

[pumprescue]

The system will never work, it cant, they are all screwed for thinking it wiil. The whole state cannot run the same way there are so many different areas that need special thought. Sacad is a huge backwards step for the country fire service. We need the old alerts system where the brigade took the alarm call and SOC assisted with the response. Local uknowledge and a spot on response every time. These clowns are taking the decision making away from the locals and f**k**g it up completely.

Yeah because it worked heaps well before, just need to tweak some responses and get the boffins to listen and adjust things.

[Alex]

I'm not sure who programmed what into SACAD but if you ask me, some of the teething issues might require some wisdom teeth being removed.

Of late, I have seen some rather interesting appliance/station responses and movements to firecalls!

Depends which agency you are talking about.

For CFS though, it starts with the SOPs which most people seem unfamiliar with and station sequences and response zones were signed off on by groups, regions and state.

[flyonthewall]

Posted on: Today at 09:58:43 AMPosted by: Alex  

Quote from: flyonthewall on Today at 08:41:39 AM
I'm not sure who programmed what into SACAD but if you ask me, some of the teething issues might require some wisdom teeth being removed.

Of late, I have seen some rather interesting appliance/station responses and movements to firecalls!



Depends which agency you are talking about.

For CFS though, it starts with the SOPs which most people seem unfamiliar with and station sequences and response zones were signed off on by groups, regions and state.  

I am talking about both agencies, but mainly,

... CFS getting responded to calls well within MFS area prior to local MFS station.

[pumprescue]

Where is that happening?

[Alan (Big Al)]

Perhaps cfs are the closest resource because the local station is tied up at another call?

[flyonthewall]

Posted on: Today at 11:16:43 AMPosted by: Alan (Big Al) 

Perhaps cfs are the closest resource because the local station is tied up at another call?

No, the MFS truck was sitting in station.

.......Ask me how I know.



   

[Robert-Robert34]

SACAD seems to be working alright although i can pinpoint only 1 issue without blowing it out of proportion

1 and only issue: Brigades 10 or more minutes away being dispatched to an incident when there are closer appliances like just down the road or 3-5 minutes away 

[pumprescue]

Depends how the beats have been set up, the areas seem to be too big.

[Alex]

SACAD seems to be working alright although i can pinpoint only 1 issue without blowing it out of proportion

1 and only issue: Brigades 10 or more minutes away being dispatched to an incident when there are closer appliances like just down the road or 3-5 minutes away  

Then Put in the paperwork to change the ESZ size/shape and station sequence.

[Alan (Big Al)]

Posted on: Today at 11:16:43 AMPosted by: Alan (Big Al)  

Perhaps cfs are the closest resource because the local station is tied up at another call?

No, the MFS truck was sitting in station.

.......Ask me how I know.



 

How Do........ Nope  sorry dont really care all that much to want to know.

[Skippy]

lol, i must say, i like the sacad countdown tab now

[flyonthewall]

Posted by: Alan (Big Al) 

Quote from: flyonthewall on Today at 11:39:57 AM
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Posted on: Today at 11:16:43 AMPosted by: Alan (Big Al) 

Perhaps cfs are the closest resource because the local station is tied up at another call?


No, the MFS truck was sitting in station.

.......Ask me how I know.



   


How Do........ Nope  sorry dont really care all that much to want to know.

Yeah, Yeah .... whatever  :-P

Ironic that the actual CFS appliance responded wasn't actually from the closest CFS station to the incident.
Along with the appliances that were responded (from MFS) there were another 2 CFS appliances (all in urban fringe areas ie. BA qualified operators) that could have been sent that were much closer.

[vandog]

Clearly banging on about it here isn't going to get you anywhere! Report it and try to get it fixed for next time :wink:

[flyonthewall]

Posted on: Yesterday at 09:35:09 PMPosted by: vandog 

Clearly banging on about it here isn't going to get you anywhere! Report it and try to get it fixed for next time 

Already in the process....

[FlameTrees]

The system will never work, it cant, they are all screwed for thinking it wiil. The whole state cannot run the same way there are so many different areas that need special thought. Sacad is a huge backwards step for the country fire service. We need the old alerts system where the brigade took the alarm call and SOC assisted with the response. Local uknowledge and a spot on response every time. These clowns are taking the decision making away from the locals and f**k**g it up completely.

Attitudes like this are the exact problem.

The locals have f**ked it up plenty of times all on their lonesome, so dont try and blame SACAD now. Alerts only worked in some location, and only some of the times. I can recall seeing more than 1 job paged out by AF with the notation of no answer on Alerts.


SOC was gone a long time ago, so perhaps move out of the dinosaur thinking, and accept we are actually the CFS, a state run organisation, and not the local cowboy run EFS. Big hint, look at the signs on the doors.

[Skippy]

I'm just interested (this is more on the SAAS side of SACAD) will the Adelaide Uni Road Accident Research pagers resume or does that cause to many issues?

[Pipster]

The Road crash research pagers are still coming out - on both ambo & Adelaide fire pagers.  But it would appear with ambo pager messages, that it depends on what the tag at the end of the message says, as to whether a Road Crash Rescue page comes out....and results in jobs that are not road crashes being notified......

Pip

[Skippy]

Are you sure, they must be displayed privately because not seen them displayed over the urgmsg.net site in ages. Thanks anyway

[safireservice]

Are you sure, they must be displayed privately because not seen them displayed over the urgmsg.net site in ages. Thanks anyway

You mean these?
Repage:CD181 PR: 2 - EYRE HWY YALATA D0596 Disp: 18:04 OTHER EMERG - SAAS Road Crash Research
Depends which site you look at as to what appears on it.

[Pipster]

What you see on various websites is not every pager message that comes out..... it all depends on the filter that has been set up by the person running the site.....

Pip

[Skippy]

May I ask what website that was safireservice? Cheers

[Fire000]

The SAAS research pages are displayed on this feed:

http://paging1.sacfs.org/public.php