SACAD

[straps]

Do yourselves, your neighboring brigades and Adelaide Fire a solid and don't forget those acknowledgements and mobile messages.

Am thinking that "peer pressure" will assist with brigades complying over time..!?!?!? (i.e defaulting brigades getting dispatched but shortly after getting a stop with start to annoy (ahem, to put it politely) neighbouring brigades..!?!?!?)

Cheers
Shane

[Pipster]

The acknowledgement of the pager message, and the mobile message are no change to what we are (supposed) to have been doing for the last couple of years.

Perhaps SACAD is better at showing up those who haven't been complying over the last few years.......

Pip

[FlameTrees]

Just noticed it appears SES has a separate system to MFS/CFS, their incident numbers appear to be on their own (ie at 1040, SES Inc 0002 just dispatched for a building impact, yet the MFS dispatch is on 0023 for the same job.....)

[Alex]

Just noticed it appears SES has a separate system to MFS/CFS, their incident numbers appear to be on their own (ie at 1040, SES Inc 0002 just dispatched for a building impact, yet the MFS dispatch is on 0023 for the same job.....)

They get a 'ses event' we get a 'fire event'......

[OldOne]

Just noticed it appears SES has a separate system to MFS/CFS, their incident numbers appear to be on their own (ie at 1040, SES Inc 0002 just dispatched for a building impact, yet the MFS dispatch is on 0023 for the same job.....)

They get a 'ses event' we get a 'fire event'......

Even more confusing, when SES get a RCR call then they get an MFS/CFS Inc No.  but when SES roll with MFS in metro area each get a different Inc No.for the same task plus now SES do not get told which or if a MFS appliance is responded to the same job.

All very confusing with possible duplicate numbers appearing if SES get busy with storm tasks and if CFS gives assistance with storm jobs and get allocated a different number it would make it very hard to compare and cross check work done.

OldOne.

[Skippy]

As per SACAD a 2nd alarm grass fire gets the response of a BWC. How does this work for some groups like Western Eyre that don't have it. Do they just use the trucks they have or wait longer for a BWC

[FlameTrees]

You are able to request specific appliances, or types of appliances (I know, I did it on Saturday, and got what I asked for).

What did Western Eyre do beforehand if they needed a BWC? If they need one on the second alarm, I am sure if they ask for it, the closest one would be responded.

SACAD has some issues, which will be worked out, but I wish people would stop thinking of it as the big bad wolf that will stop the planet spinning.

[pumprescue]

I have found it a lot quicker and easier to actually ask for a 2nd alarm etc rather than list of trucks which pretty much defeats the purpose of CAD and all those beat lists we submitted.

If there is no tanker to send then there isn't one in the beat list.

Trouble with CFS is the made the training information so wishy washy and soft that its now causing hassle. They need to say NO this is how it is, deal with it, this the data you submitted, deal with it.

The only thing I don't like is the change to the callsigns, I asked the guys at Adelaide Fire and they are in the same boat, just call the truck what it is.

[Zippy]

42 makes sense. Thats a bulk water carrier, heaps of them, no differences.  (Gets us beyond the whole BWC9 BWC13 ordeal)

Meanwhile there are only 2 or 3 actual "28" appliances.

I'm in a brigade that has X number of appliances, but SACAD says we have one more, and that's a 28.

therefore, all excess 28's should be deleted of the system and the dual purpose appliances (normally a 34P) should be 34P tagged with hazmat capability.

[pumprescue]

They just simply need to be their callsign with either a H or an R next to them so AF know whats what, simply really?

[Alex]

Do CFS bulk water carriers have '42' written on the side of them?

Nope.... callsigns need standardising and simplification.

[Alan (Big Al)]

so what is the preferred callsign for rescues and hazmats? Whats on the appliance or the 19 or 28 callsign?

[FlameTrees]

Do CFS bulk water carriers have '42' written on the side of them?

Nope.... callsigns need standardising and simplification.

Blurgsville BW13 or Knorksville BW26 is pretty standardised to me. This tells me where the BWC belongs to, the fact it IS a BWC, and how many litres of water it can hold. Surprisingly, our tanker call signs (Aldgate 24, Rendalsham 34) etc do the same.....

I think non sprcific Hazmat appliances (such as a 24/34 that carries the Hazmat gear for that response) should use it's normal appliance call sign when responding to non hazmat jobs, and adopt the call sign of Blarneystone Hazmat (preferably not Blarneystone, but the brigade name) when responding to a Hazmat job, as a Hazmat resource. If the AF operator does not know what a BW is, or a Hazmat, not only should they not be seconded to Comms, I would suggest they should not even be allowed to pull on a uniform at all.

I realise that this whole concept may be a bit too simple and easy to understand, so it would never be used.

[Alex]

Flame trees you seem to misunderstand. Callsigns in CAD need standardization and need to fall in line with CFS call signs.

My point is the call sign in CAD should be the actual appliance callsign. There's no need for a work around of dual callsigns. If the appliance is a stand alone HAZMAT it's a 28, it its a 34p with HAZMAT then it's CAD call sign should read 34p.
Al, In the mean time it would help if people come up on radio using the call signs they are dispatched with.

[Zippy]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0050 07/12/11 10:59 RESPOND VEHICLE FIRE INC LPG, STURT HWY BLANCHETOWN,MAP:C/211 54,TG 205, :BLAN34 SWAN34 WAIKPUMP

truck at weigh bridge west of town

BLAN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW REQUIRED RESPOND BLANCHETOWN STN 07-12-11 11:04

MFS: *CFSRES INC0050 07/12/11 10:59 RESPOND VEHICLE FIRE INC LPG, STURT HWY BLANCHETOWN,MAP:C/211 54,TG 205, ==WAIK19 RESPOND DEFAULT, SWANREACH DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE :WAIK19


Lets take a look at Waikerie's actual resources, as right now, its waikerie Pumper and Blanchetown 34 Mobile to the incident.

WaikeriePUMP = 2000L Water. 4 BA.
Waikerie19   = Rescue/Hazmat/BA/Lighting/etc. No Water.
Waikerie24   = 2000L Water.
Waikerie14   = 450L Water.

From that assessment, all that Waikerie19 can offer to a Vehicle fire is bums on seats + extra BA. No additional water.

Dependant on the onsite water reticulation and the scale of the fire...would it be better to send Waikerie 24 as the backup appliance to a vehicle fire instead of the 19.

Again a case of questionable input of data.

There i think needs to be a clear way of seeing which appliance carries only water, or carrys water AND specialist equipment, or only specialist equipment.

19    CFS Rescue Vehicle (Standalone Rescue)
28       CFS Hazmat Vehicle (Standalone Hazmat)
42    BWC 4000L Plus

Everything else should be (or include the above 3 in plain english terms):

Pumper
Pumper-Tanker (34P, 24P)
Tanker (34, 24)
Light Tanker (14, QRV)

E.g  Strathalbyn Pumper-Tanker 1, Pumper-Tanker 2, Light Tanker


An ideal situation would be to see SACAD with 95-100% reasonable data, so that minimal rework will ever have to be done on a very shitty day.

[FlameTrees]

And then lets throw some more issues in

Logistics vehicles
The Region 1 pod
The Region 2 OSV (Command Bus) or staging trailer (this can operate stand alone from a vehicle)
The Region 3 hook truck
Region 5's command bus

State Ops have their own vehicle

I'm sure most of the Ops Brigades have their own command cars as well (I'm pretty sure Regions 1,2,5 and 6 all have some). Command cars are easy enough, but what about the specialist vehicles...where do they fit into it all?

[Alex]

And then lets throw some more issues in

Logistics vehicles
The Region 1 pod
The Region 2 OSV (Command Bus) or staging trailer (this can operate stand alone from a vehicle)
The Region 3 hook truck
Region 5's command bus

State Ops have their own vehicle

I'm sure most of the Ops Brigades have their own command cars as well (I'm pretty sure Regions 1,2,5 and 6 all have some). Command cars are easy enough, but what about the specialist vehicles...where do they fit into it all?

They are all in the system and can be attached to jobs.

[mengcfs]

MFS: *CFSRES INC0062 07/12/11 12:48 RESPOND VEHICLE FIRE INC LPG, : @HOMESTEAD - MOUNT TIMOTHY (PARRAKIE) 1274 GARRA SOUTH RD PARRAKIE,MAP:C/103 54,TG 204, ==HEADER ON FIRE MOUNT TIMOTHY PROPERTY, 1 PADDOCK BEHIND HOUSE ==(Part 1 of 2)
Alarm level updated to 3 == Alarm level updated to 2 ==2ND ALARM RESPOND AS DEFAULT FOR TINTY34 :CMBE24 JABK34 PRLL24 R3 PATTEN :(Part 2 of 2.

What's the story here.....Second alarm, third alarm???
There was a previous page sent to update to level 2. Has the operator just used the same response page and forgotten to delete the "Alarm level updated to 2"?

[pumprescue]

Can't delete it, its automatic.

[mengcfs]

Thaks for the info on the alarm updates.

Also, this one came to my pager as

MAP:C/102 54,TG 201, ==EAST OF THE NETHERTON EXCHANGE :AIRDESK CNPN19 NETH24 :

This is the complete message from the pager site, so obviously it wasn't sent over two pages.

MFS: *CFSRES INC0084 07/12/11 15:02 RESPOND GRASS FIRE, LADARA BORE RD NETHERTON,MAP:C/102 54,TG 201, ==EAST OF THE NETHERTON EXCHANGE :AIRDESK CNPN19 NETH24 :

An issue with my individual pager prehaps???

[pumprescue]

It's just you haha ;)

[Darius]

Interesting in remote areas, I guess these 2 are the nearest as per SACAD:

22:34:33   11-12-11   MFS: *CFSRES INC0092 11/12/11 22:34 RESPOND VEHICLE FIRE INC LPG, LOT 227 GILES ST COOBER PEDY,MAP:CPD 1 K14,TG 073, ==CAR ON FIRE NEXT TO HOUSE FROM SAPOL :COOB34 MRLA34 :  -- CFS Marla Response
22:34:31   11-12-11   MFS: *CFSRES INC0092 11/12/11 22:34 RESPOND VEHICLE FIRE INC LPG, LOT 227 GILES ST COOBER PEDY,MAP:CPD 1 K14,TG 073, ==CAR ON FIRE NEXT TO HOUSE FROM SAPOL :COOB34 MRLA34 :  -- CFS Coober Pedy Response

but Marla is 230km from Coober Pedy:

22:37:13   11-12-11   FROM PHIL R4 STOP FOR CALL  -- CFS Marla Response

not really practical to respond both on initial page (despite SOPs).

[Alan (Big Al)]

am guessing that this will be in the issues pile to be fixed along with the hundreds of others

[FlameTrees]

Interesting in remote areas, I guess these 2 are the nearest as per SACAD:

22:34:33   11-12-11   MFS: *CFSRES INC0092 11/12/11 22:34 RESPOND VEHICLE FIRE INC LPG, LOT 227 GILES ST COOBER PEDY,MAP:CPD 1 K14,TG 073, ==CAR ON FIRE NEXT TO HOUSE FROM SAPOL :COOB34 MRLA34 :  -- CFS Marla Response
22:34:31   11-12-11   MFS: *CFSRES INC0092 11/12/11 22:34 RESPOND VEHICLE FIRE INC LPG, LOT 227 GILES ST COOBER PEDY,MAP:CPD 1 K14,TG 073, ==CAR ON FIRE NEXT TO HOUSE FROM SAPOL :COOB34 MRLA34 :  -- CFS Coober Pedy Response

but Marla is 230km from Coober Pedy:

22:37:13   11-12-11   FROM PHIL R4 STOP FOR CALL  -- CFS Marla Response

not really practical to respond both on initial page (despite SOPs).

But if SOP's call for it, and remember the Brigades / Groups / Regions drew up the response plans, why wouldnt the response be done. Yeah, it's 230 kms away, but I am sure if it was a semi on fire, Coober Pedy would like to know they will have some back up at some time.

[Zippy]

Google says 2 hours minimum before backup arrives on scene.

Coober Pedy and Roxby Downs should be treated just like Whyalla. Isolated.

2 tankers and a BWC seems a bit light on for Coober...

It'd be worth making the brigade retained, with at least 3 tankers supported by a 13000L BWC.

Any one or two truck that goes out of town for a long distance RCR. There would always be two trucks back home.