PBI - Hated by CFSHQ Since 2005

[Zippy]

Hopefully, at tonight's R1VMC meeting, the POSTER & UNIFORM MANUAL are disseminated & explained thoroughly.

[bittenyakka]

the poster is pretty clear, The problem is that a whole lot of people seem to like interpreting the memo in astrange way, the one i saw points you to the poster and manual. and refreshes that uniforms shouldn;t be mixed.

Note the manual already said that.

[Darren]

To many Group Officers trying to put there own spin on it, for Example our GO is telling us we will be removed from the rural fireground if we have a structural helmet on, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT !!! Tell me where it says we can't wear it, you have NOT got a leg to stand on.

[Zippy]

for Example our GO is telling us we will be removed from the rural fireground if we have a structural helmet on

Same here now....

*shakes head*

[Mike]

To many Group Officers trying to put there own spin on it, for Example our GO is telling us we will be removed from the rural fireground if we have a structural helmet on, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT !!! Tell me where it says we can't wear it, you have NOT got a leg to stand on.

Well at least two things are consistant.......
Were getting the same story, and giving the same answer......

[BundyBear]

I say keep it simple any rural jobs I wear my rural gear with a structural helmet. My PBI gold is in a bag in the truck or behind the seat.

Anything else PBI gold, why some may ask it's been a few times we have been at an MVA no entrapment's and we have just finished the make safe deal then our pagers have gone off for either a car or structure fire. So why look like a gong beater changing your gear on the side of the road!

Plus we have no drama's with our DGO's or GO as a brigade Lieutenant they just let us get on with the job and even when they arrive at incidents if it's going all smooth they don't come in and take over command if you don't require it.

At the end of the day as the OIC you are the person responsible for your crew's safety!

[Zippy]

Hear Hear bundybear!

The poster says it all,  afterall the poster cost as much money to make as buying bucket loads of PPE....


I'm waiting for TRAINING to be a more focused issue than PPE and AIRCRAFT and VEHICLES and RECRUITMENT and OHS and and and....

Training is how we are firefighters....

NEEDDD WATER NOWW!!!!   Pump operator: ehhhhh, ahhhh, ohhhhh, there we go...

Train to be quick thinkers and doers...

[crashndash]

To many Group Officers trying to put there own spin on it, for Example our GO is telling us we will be removed from the rural fireground if we have a structural helmet on, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT !!! Tell me where it says we can't wear it, you have NOT got a leg to stand on.

hehehe....maybe u should be in a group that only buys structural helmets  :lol:

[Darren]

Yeah, give it time, but then we would have to put up with the never wearing PBI brigade. WHY IS IT SO HARD NOW, THE POSTER TELLS US WHAT TO DO, END OF STORY!

[Zippy]

Darren,  Steamranger? ill join ya?

[SA Firey]

Yeah, give it time, but then we would have to put up with the never wearing PBI brigade. WHY IS IT SO HARD NOW, THE POSTER TELLS US WHAT TO DO, END OF STORY!

Alas, some dont want to go out of their comfort zone :-P

[BundyBear]

Yeah still to this day some Group officers and DGO's make me shake my head the group next to us is a classic, I won't mention the name as it's probably the wrong thing to do but they put the gong in gong beaters and don't help the cause of CFS looking professional.

Basically self respond themselves to everything and I'm talking non event car accidents and car fires etc and even sometimes across their boundaries!

Half the time not properly attired for the fire ground.

Plus their ability to command an incident goes out the window when it's anything more than a rural job.

Yes, yes these are the sort of hicks that believe PBI gold only get worn to structure jobs and half the time they cant wear their rural gear properly!

[Zippy]

So this "memo"....anyone mind posting a copy??

[Rainer]

Heres what we (Mt Lofty) put up for discussion at the last R1VMC

let me know your thoughts

R

[SA Firey]

Very well penned letter Rainer, now the wait for their answers :-D

[bittenyakka]

Very nice letter

[Zippy]

great stuff!!!!!

[Alex]

Jesus Christ.... when is everyone just going to learn that we are a bushfire service that only dabbles in urban fire fighting!!!!!!




:roll:

[Zippy]

fyi, The filtered continues in the structure helmet department.

Hello! its a tick box on the poster!!!!

Question: is a verbal instruction a mandate? or does it have to be written and signed.

[Zippy]

If this sort of beaurocracy continues...

The next time i ever need to report in a fire...ill be calling 10 numbers on my mobile, that arent 000...to get farm units onto it........30mins drive from the city.

Volunteer retention anyone?

[whitecloud]

Well, until someone comes and threatens me with a paycut, I will continue wearing the best protection afforded to me for the particular incident type. I agree that the PPE shouldn't be mixed, as not only does it compromise the safety (the garments are only rated as such a high level of protection if worn together as intended) but DAMNED if it doesn't look stupid.

If you want to pull the old argument, MFS wear it and are safe, it's good enough for my country behind  :lol:

[6739264]

I agree that the PPE shouldn't be mixed, as not only does it compromise the safety (the garments are only rated as such a high level of protection if worn together as intended) but DAMNED if it doesn't look stupid.

If you want to pull the old argument, MFS wear it and are safe, it's good enough for my country behind  :lol:

Uh oh, looks like someone doesnt understand the Aust. Standard.

Tell me how L3 pants and an L1 Coat thus makes the ensemble compromised below the level of L1? Its all about the lowest level of protection you're wearing.

[Alan J]

Uh oh, looks like someone doesnt understand the Aust. Standard.

Tell me how L3 pants and an L1 Coat thus makes the ensemble compromised below the level of L1? Its all about the lowest level of protection you're wearing.

Simple.
L3 garments do not have the metabolic heat dissipation function of L1 garments. Therefore, your L1 protection is compromised. 

Same is true of using structural helmets at bush fires.

Remember your basic fire safety - not all hazards are external.

And yes I'm in a Group which only issues structural helmets.  :-(

[Zippy]

Uh oh, looks like someone doesnt understand the Aust. Standard.

Tell me how L3 pants and an L1 Coat thus makes the ensemble compromised below the level of L1? Its all about the lowest level of protection you're wearing.

Simple.
L3 garments do not have the metabolic heat dissipation function of L1 garments. Therefore, your L1 protection is compromised. 

Same is true of using structural helmets at bush fires.

Remember your basic fire safety - not all hazards are external.

And yes I'm in a Group which only issues structural helmets.  :-(

I'm with the PBI gold side of your post, but structural helmets....or "higher level" protection helmets are the Go.

[CFS_Firey]

Simple.
L3 garments do not have the metabolic heat dissipation function of L1 garments. Therefore, your L1 protection is compromised. 

I always thought Australian PPE standards were in relation to what level of protection you got from external hazards only.  If not, wouldn't wearing long sleeved shirts or pants under your wildfire PPE "compromise" your protection and effectively mean you're not wearing gear that meets the standard?

Same is true of using structural helmets at bush fires.

Remember your basic fire safety - not all hazards are external.

And yes I'm in a Group which only issues structural helmets.  :-(

Isn't the issue with structural helmets that they're heavier, not warmer?