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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2010, 09:52:01 AM »
I think it may be an insurance issue that everything is left on the appliance. I know when your personal car is involved in an accident the insurance company owns eveything and you have to write to them for permission to remove any part of the vehicle i.e. exhaust, alloy wheels etc.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2010, 10:39:14 AM »
I think it may be an insurance issue that everything is left on the appliance. I know when your personal car is involved in an accident the insurance company owns eveything and you have to write to them for permission to remove any part of the vehicle i.e. exhaust, alloy wheels etc.

I though the CFS was self insured?

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2010, 02:20:29 PM »
Self insurance is for Workers comp - not general insurance.
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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2010, 03:10:22 PM »
I think it may be an insurance issue that everything is left on the appliance.

no that's not correct (the pump is missing from the rear of the Curramulka truck for a start!).

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2010, 05:48:56 PM »
Self insurance is for Workers comp - not general insurance.
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The whole of SA Govt is self insured for general insurance as well.  Called SAICORP.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2010, 09:04:29 PM »
Plenty on both trucks that might be good spares.
Unfortunately, maintaining a spare parts ware-house requires money & staff.
CFS lacks both.

<speculation based on rubbing shoulders with assorted public servants over many years>...

CFS is probably actively discouraged by public service financial "best practice"
from operating any contingency budget lines other than fire response. So the more
expensive option (commercial new parts & fit) gets the nod. Easier in Department
of Finance Land to account for "replacing something that broke" than for "just
in case".
Also much easier for the Minister to explain to the media in a 3 second sound grab
when some cub reporter goes on a muck-raking expedition, armed solely with SA
Chamber of Commerce dogmas.
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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2010, 09:46:29 PM »
The GRN's are all being replaced, so there is probably no point in grabbing all the spares for a system that will soon be redundant!

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2010, 05:12:08 AM »
Bunyip - yes I'm aware of that but for the sake of accuracy (which individuals on this site crave), self insurance only refers to Workers Compensation - as defined under the Workers Rehabilitation & Compensation Act 1986(SA). A lot of large employers use self insurance in SA (including mine). So as I said yes you are correct SA government does cover its own liability thru SAICORP, however "Self insurance" is Workers Comp only. I hope that cleared it all up :-)
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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2010, 08:45:03 AM »
The GRN's are all being replaced, so there is probably no point in grabbing all the spares for a system that will soon be redundant!
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yeah but not for anything up to 3 years in R1/R2/R5 (timing and order of regions not set yet).  And that charger I mentioned for GRN portables still works with the new XTS2500 (I've tried it).

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2010, 09:16:02 AM »
The GRN's are all being replaced, so there is probably no point in grabbing all the spares for a system that will soon be redundant!
Pip

yeah but not for anything up to 3 years in R1/R2/R5 (timing and order of regions not set yet).  And that charger I mentioned for GRN portables still works with the new XTS2500 (I've tried it).


Correct, and im sure a brigade/group could use a spare one.
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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2010, 10:10:01 AM »
There is all of the old Region 6 GRN stuff all stacked up in a storage shed...with nowhere to go......most difficult problem is finding space to store it all, along with the staff to do something with it!!

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2010, 11:04:48 AM »
all our old GRN and accesseries were piled in R4 HQ last tiem i was there...plenty of spares for those region not fitted out yet

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2010, 12:29:46 PM »
send them along to brigades still using the older generation? ;)

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2010, 02:59:32 PM »
There is all of the old Region 6 GRN stuff all stacked up in a storage shed...with nowhere to go......most difficult problem is finding space to store it all, along with the staff to do something with it!!

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2010, 06:18:20 PM »
before you get too excited, all the old GRN radios are being crushed, it's part of the contract with motorola. I think it's wrong but the govt signed the contract.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2010, 08:18:50 PM »
before you get too excited, all the old GRN radios are being crushed, it's part of the contract with motorola. I think it's wrong but the govt signed the contract.


I believe only when they are no longed needed or used by the "service",  they can not be sold or disposed of in any other way but can be resigned for other communication work outside the GRN allocations by the "service".  Ie local UHF simplex communications or say data links etc.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2010, 07:34:53 AM »
yeah that's true but for CFS at least is not going to happen (and sounds like a bad idea to me anyway if some "GRN radios" were to be simplex only)

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2010, 07:58:25 AM »
This thread is off trck prangs to radios! What the?

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2010, 02:34:47 PM »
The beacons are usually taken off I thought, and thought they removed the CFS logos and stripes (or paint over them!).  Also someone from HQ (or the brigade) should go along and swipe back that GRN charger on the front seat of the Minlaton truck.



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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2010, 11:45:39 AM »