Fire fighting gun

Started by bajdas, May 15, 2009, 05:02:59 PM

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bajdas

With the fire fighting gun, is the advantage a saving in water & being able to more direct the cooling to specific areas rather than drown ?

Question from a non-firefighter trying to understand why it was invented.
Andrew Macmichael
lives at Pt Noarlunga South.

My personal opinion only.

Zippy

the compartment fire behavior course trains firefighters to understand that using a lot of water, while being inside...can cause more bad than good.

The resulting effect of applying water to a fire = Steam...which is a threat to a firefighter's safety if not controled.

boredmatrix

Quote from: bajdas on May 15, 2009, 05:02:59 PM

Question from a non-firefighter trying to understand why it was invented.


ditto here- only solution I could come up with was eco-friendly water fights....

at that sorta pressure-  whoever you hit ísn't going to get up in a hurry hence less water used secondary to short term fight?

could this potentially replace the paintball gun......??

bajdas

Quote from: boredmatrix on May 16, 2009, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: bajdas on May 15, 2009, 05:02:59 PM

Question from a non-firefighter trying to understand why it was invented.


ditto here- only solution I could come up with was eco-friendly water fights....

at that sorta pressure-  whoever you hit ísn't going to get up in a hurry hence less water used secondary to short term fight?

could this potentially replace the paintball gun......??

Nahh re paintball, no range or precision in the shot. Maybe if you were replacing a paintball shotgun version.

Maybe useful in an ambulance to keep the violent relatives/friends of the casualty calmed down ???? Hey, maybe New Years Eve at Glenelg. hee hee

Seriously, what advantage does it have over existing methods ??
Andrew Macmichael
lives at Pt Noarlunga South.

My personal opinion only.

boredmatrix

Quote from: bajdas on May 17, 2009, 12:54:12 PM



Nahh re paintball, no range or precision in the shot. Maybe if you were replacing a paintball shotgun version.



range? paintball?!  how are you supposed to seriuosly bruise anyone with range?

CFS_Firey

I'm assuming it's designed to save water, (but has applications in compartment fire fighting). 
...that and it would be fun to use!

bittenyakka

the fun factor is cool :-D

the short of it, or my 2c, is small particles are better than 1 jet especially in confined spaces.

CFS_Firey

Quote from: bittenyakka on May 18, 2009, 09:11:13 PM
the fun factor is cool :-D

the short of it, or my 2c, is small particles are better than 1 jet especially in confined spaces.

Especially in confined spaces, or almost exclusively in confined spaces?

I've seen videos of Europeans using this type of technology in compartment fires, and my God it looks impressive...

Darcyq

The system is called IFEX, and stands for Impulse Fire Extinguishing Technology

More more information go to http://www.ffti.com.au/page/2/. It covers all about how it works, different applications etc.

This gear is widely used in Europe and some Asian nations. I saw it when visiting a Singaporean Fire Station. They had the back pack setup mounted on motorbikes.

Cheers

CFS_Firey

Wow.  That's really impressive.  Have a look at the car fire examples in Darcyq's link above...

Zippy

there might be a use for 300 Bar 9 Litre SCBA Cylinders now!

Tree Fire > Bang....
Tree Down > Bang...
Tree Alive > Bang...

firegun

for those brigades lacking in crew numbers, lets go for a gun mounted on a Hummer ( there is one in the clips) then you would only need a crew of 2 or 3 (or 1 group person) to handle the initial attack  :wink: :wink:

bittenyakka

Quote from: CFS_Firey on May 19, 2009, 09:01:40 AM
Quote from: bittenyakka on May 18, 2009, 09:11:13 PM
the fun factor is cool :-D

the short of it, or my 2c, is small particles are better than 1 jet especially in confined spaces.

Especially in confined spaces, or almost exclusively in confined spaces?

I've seen videos of Europeans using this type of technology in compartment fires, and my God it looks impressive...

cones and fogs work well at scrub fires.

ltdan

In the Kuwait Fires, the same technology was used.

The Sweedish Fire-fighters used the same technology by fitting a jet engine on a military tank.

They would drive as close as practical connect the a hose to the turbine and blast a pulse of water at the base of the engulfed oil well head.  The hard penetration of water stopped the fire process for a small moment of time and the fire was put out.

A DVD by national geographic had this piece of equipment featured.

bittenyakka

the DVD i saw said the jet engine on the tank worked more because it "blew" the fire out rather than used the cooling effect of water. Although there was many hoses being used at the same time so there might have been some similar effect created.

ltdan

The principal is the same jsut on a bigger dimension