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first-aid training
boredmatrix:
the biggest advantage with private training organisations is that the courses can be tailored for the environment of the client and still be covered under the RTO regulations - St Jacks and Red Cross are hesitant to do this for some reason......or maybe it's just too hard and they think that people should just do what they're told....
....little wonder they're becoming irrelvant.....
rescue5271:
There is a private company down this way that does first aid,auto defib and other first aid training..they are part of a group of Ambulance officers who work for thhis company they are able to do session in any location wheer as ST Johns wont. there costing is a lot cheaper but the best part is that you are being trained by Ambulance officers who have the skills and life skills and so they know first hand what we have to deal with...
Sorry ST JOHNS but you need to be more flexable and it would be nice if some of your members did have life skills rather than book skills.....
boredmatrix:
--- Quote from: Bill Corcoran on December 30, 2008, 03:36:15 PM --- it would be nice if some of your members did have life skills rather than book skills.....
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is that not the whole organisation in a nutshell with your one line there???
JC:
--- Quote from: boredmatrix on December 30, 2008, 02:30:56 PM ---the biggest advantage with private training organisations is that the courses can be tailored for the environment of the client and still be covered under the RTO regulations - St Jacks and Red Cross are hesitant to do this for some reason......or maybe it's just too hard and they think that people should just do what they're told....
....little wonder they're becoming irrelvant.....
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Couldnt agree more BM, if you cant tailor your course to be site/area specific while still covering the competencies required for the subject, a company will find themselves losing customers quickly. If your training provider wont allow you to include collars, Adv resus & AED on a first aid course then find a new one.
misterteddy:
--- Quote from: JC on December 31, 2008, 10:05:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: boredmatrix on December 30, 2008, 02:30:56 PM ---the biggest advantage with private training organisations is that the courses can be tailored for the environment of the client and still be covered under the RTO regulations - St Jacks and Red Cross are hesitant to do this for some reason......or maybe it's just too hard and they think that people should just do what they're told....
....little wonder they're becoming irrelvant.....
--- End quote ---
Couldnt agree more BM, if you cant tailor your course to be site/area specific while still covering the competencies required for the subject, a company will find themselves losing customers quickly. If your training provider wont allow you to include collars, Adv resus & AED on a first aid course then find a new one.
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as a company that delivers first aid training, I'd offer my observations (along with that caveat)
1. There is a list of prescribed content that needs to be covered in a Senior First Aid course to be awarded the current Safework SA accredited unit of competence HLTFA301B Apply First Aid. This content is more than is covered in the Public Safety Units which do not meet the new Safework SA crietria.
2. Yes, you can always add and adapt training to fit in extra things, like cervical collars, and Advanced Resus (all companies should be providing AED training as a part of any course with CPR in it - if they don't, ditch them now). The reality is that just including the proper use and application of collars AND advanced resus to a course of 15 people would add another hour and a half at least - my experience tells me that most CFS people dont want that on top of the other mandatory inclusions. As we move down the online/ e-learning path, that might change a little, but until those products improve in validity, i wouldn't go down that path. If you want to see a dumbed down first aid e-learning program, check out St Johns new one. Some companies, like mine and 4Life and State Training Services do a little more in the Advanced resus courses, which is mostly aimed at RCR Brigades. We (my company) include a session on collars and info on patient handling aids (Pat slides and spinal imobilisation devices) that they are likely to encounter (or in the case of Pat slides use) or have to assist with. The gist of the paragraph...is that it is certainly possible to add content, but it does cost ...and its mostly in time. To go over 1 day for Senior First Aid for any company is commercial suicide, thats why it is easier to fit other material into specialist courses like Advanced Resus....or First Aid refreshers.
3. I have spent a lot of time, along with numerous other people far more prominent than
i,in meetings around Australia trying to convince people that First Aid is a LIFE skill, not a WORK skill. Just doing the bare minimum u need to work in a vehicle accident, fireground or rescue environment as a firefighter or emergency worker(as was the thinking when the Public Safety Training Package First Aid units were developed), may not be enough to help you save your child or mother's life at home or down the beach. The changes in stance from all States Workcover authorities to endorse one single Unit (Apply First Aid) reflects a move towards acknowledging this. Qld has been the best example of picking up the life skill concept - all Yr 11 and 12 students do Senior First Aid in school, just at the time they commence driving - a great initiative.
So what for First Aid in the CFS? Its all about money - no surprise there. But, the CFS went to a huge amount of effort and expense in adopting Nationally Recognised qualifications as a basis for their training, and one of the benefits that was touted was the tranferrability of such training to people's private employment and personal lives. Seems like First Aid would be a walk up start to further support that concept.
As for the SAAS and first responder issues - watch this space. It will happen, sometime soon we (thats ALL firefighters of both varieties and SES types) will get paged to SAAS jobs (collapses, SOBs and cardiac cases) as first responders with O2 and an AED. Its been run passed CFS Executive and they have endorsed it in principle. SAAS will buy the gear and potentially (maybe, at this stage.....but most likely probably) assist with the training. Same same SAPOL, Security firms, Private companies, and a whole bunch of associated other people. SAAS commitment is to get a (AED/O2) response to a collapsed person inside 4 minutes by whatever means it can - if it can do that, then we will have a worlds best system (nowhere else in the world comes close to that), we WILL be a part of that, so hang on for the ride :-D
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