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Offline Master of Disaster

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Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« on: November 22, 2008, 11:19:07 AM »
Why are Burnside Responding to RCR Basket Range?  :?
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2008, 11:23:00 AM »
it was Adelaide Fire's choice and 2 brigades for an entrapment is worthwhile to ensure a crew responds.

rally control thinks Norton Summit and Ashton are two different brigades haha
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2008, 11:31:38 AM »
Im guessing its the pre determined response per the Rally's fire & rescue guide.

Roads closed and acess only from one end.
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2008, 11:34:48 AM »
Don't burnside respond into east torrens quite often?
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2008, 11:37:45 AM »
Athelstone are RCR in East torrens group but don't get responded :?  :roll:
Burnside want our turf :lol:
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2008, 11:55:38 AM »
id would hope Athelstone would only cover RCR until cherryville, any further south and youd take forever to get places....
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2008, 12:54:22 PM »
Quote from: Alan (Big Al) on November 22, 2008, 11:34:48 AM
Don't burnside respond into east torrens quite often?




Burnside brigade is geographically more aligned with East Torrens group than Lofty group, in fact they really dont have much common ground with Lofty group, do they?
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2008, 03:43:34 PM »
Quote from: jaff on November 22, 2008, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: Alan (Big Al) on November 22, 2008, 11:34:48 AM
Don't burnside respond into east torrens quite often?




Burnside brigade is geographically more aligned with East Torrens group than Lofty group, in fact they really dont have much common ground with Lofty group, do they?

But you cant have brigades responding into other groups areas.... even if there closer, more appropriate, etc..

What are you? Dumb or sumfink?????  :-D
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2008, 08:21:40 PM »
that one was a 'special' response for the rally, ie. rally control asked for specific brigades depending on what roads were closed, rally stages in action etc. For that response that Basket Range special stage was halted for appliances/ambos/etc to enter from Ashton end.  There was also somewhat strangely both Rally Control and Adelaide Fire both answering on 124 and comms for the incident being done on 124.  Sounded like a nasty crash too.
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 07:51:36 AM »
There is a pre determined response, as per the Classic Adelaide plan.

Unfortunately, it appears it wasn't followed correctly.

However, the responding of Stirling and Burnside as Rescue WAS correct, as per the plan.

The driver was trapped quite well in his vehicle, and it did take some time to extract him.

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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2008, 10:48:18 AM »
Quote from: Master of Disaster on November 22, 2008, 11:19:07 AM
Why are Burnside Responding to RCR Basket Range?  :? :? :roll: :x :x

Why do people that don't crew very well have goes at brigades that do crew well all the time?  :?  :?  :roll:   :x  :x
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2008, 12:09:44 PM »
I was just asking the question as I had not seen the rally response plan.

Yes we do have weekday crewing problems but I guess that happens when everyone works :roll:
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 07:03:48 AM »
What a chump Master of Disaster....you must be from NSA, and must have been brought up under your ex Captains strange regime.

Lets bash a brigade that can crew, and respond correct resources...

No wonder I don't come on here  much anymore....No wonder CFS are so screwed.

Sick of this crap. I hope the CFS folds.
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2008, 08:22:18 AM »
Does it matter who's area it is as long as (1) a fire/rescue appliance gets there
(2) the home brigade is contacted that another brigade/group are at a job in their area. We all have day and night time crewing problems,so if you want to come and help good on ya....
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2008, 09:17:24 AM »
Quote from: pumprescue on November 26, 2008, 07:03:48 AM
What a chump Master of Disaster....you must be from NSA, and must have been brought up under your ex Captains strange regime.

Lets bash a brigade that can crew, and respond correct resources...

No wonder I don't come on here  much anymore....No wonder CFS are so screwed.

Sick of this crap. I hope the CFS folds.

bat, ball and dummy replacement needed aisle 3
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2008, 09:46:09 AM »
Quote from: misterteddy on November 26, 2008, 09:17:24 AM
bat, ball and dummy replacement needed aisle 3

Hahaha, good call.

He's acting like all the bickering is new to him! I thought the only thing that happened in this thread was standard CFS business...

How many times have we all seen the first thing off the second arriving truck is the OIC, with Map Book in hand screaming about "response boundaries" and the like...?
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2008, 10:07:58 AM »
err I am lost? i have no idea what the problem with Burnside coming into east Torrens is. they come up quite a bit. which makes sense since East Torrens only RCR brigade is Athelstone and they are in the northern edge of the group kind of tucked away unto them selves.

Problems arise when groups deiced to keep jobs to their own brigades when others are closer...... 
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2008, 10:33:00 AM »
Groups boundaries should have no operational factor other than Group officers response and Strike Teams. Simple.

Want a automatic 2nd alarm response for a total fire ban day?   4 closest Brigades (might end upwith 3-6 appliances) on the inital page.

Response type: Grass Fire TFB.
Fire Location: Ambelside.
Response: Bridgewater, Hahndorf, Oakbank/balhannah and Carey Gully  (4 Groups haha)

thats when ull have a mad dash of the Group duty officers on claiming response area!
« Last Edit: November 26, 2008, 10:38:36 AM by Zippy »
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2008, 10:54:09 AM »
Zippy, that would be an easy one, they would work it out like the Mature responsible adults they are using the RPS method! The CFS SOP, for situations like what you've described! :wink:
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2008, 11:22:44 AM »
im guessing uve left the "RPS" abbrevation open for any form of interpretation ;)   

Numbers your thoughts on what RPS might mean? :P
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2008, 11:37:45 AM »
I dont know why this is an issue as apart from a predetermined Rally response, RCR is defined by the RCRD Green Book.

With two RCR brigades attending, if you were the one trapped in the vehicle you would'nt care who showed up to cut you out :wink:
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2008, 11:05:12 AM »
If brigades have no data on responses which 95% do not, then the RCR directory is based on suburbs. You will find with CAD that if it is done correctly it will not matter who is friends with who or what group you are from if a brigade is closer then so be it...
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2008, 06:22:27 PM »
Quote from: SA Firey on November 26, 2008, 11:37:45 AM
I dont know why this is an issue as apart from a predetermined Rally response, RCR is defined by the RCRD Green Book.


and best laid plans always leave something to be desired- especially when it comes to motorsport....

...and if you knew who was in rally control and on the ground co-ordinating medical and fire.....would you all be throwing stones??
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2008, 01:40:36 AM »
I believe now I did start a very stupid topic on this and I wish to apologize to the people of this forum for not thinking before I speak or write :oops:
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Re: Burnside Responding into East Torrens Group
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2008, 06:33:37 AM »
I would personally not worry about the question.

I think a lot of people at incidents in the future, will comment quietly 'why the hell is that brigade/unit vehicle here'. At least until they adjust to the proper response plans that do not worry about administrative boundaries.
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