Author Topic: house fire (Read 60018 times)

Hazmat206 · « **on:** October 05, 2008, 10:33:56 PM »

does anyone know which 6 mfs appliances attended this evening's fatal house fire in mawsons lakes? i'm guessing salisbury were 2 of them and 332 attended later on...

Zippy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 05, 2008, 11:04:38 PM »

331, 332, 321, 329, 301, 303, 206, 2090, Car 31?

any of them and others maybe...who knows......

OMGWTF · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2008, 01:31:11 AM »

1st alarm was 321 and 301 [with car 31 shortly after]
2nd alarm 206, 303, 361
3rd alarm 2090, 371 and 243

Firey9119 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2008, 08:32:45 PM »

3rd alarm and salisbury cfs not called!!!!!

Zippy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2008, 08:52:55 PM »

yeh???...its well within MFS area....

6739264 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 07, 2008, 05:04:36 AM »

OH MY GOD, Scandal!

TillerMan · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2008, 08:05:20 AM »

Not even the regional spare got to go!!!

Zippy · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2008, 09:19:14 AM »

moooo..... now lets get back on topic

Firefrog · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2008, 09:55:31 AM »

The topic is about who got called - it's relevant to discuss who didn't. So long as it's not whining. A mature discussion is welcome.

On the topic of Salisbury CFS not getting a run...Did the chiefs not sign off on an agreement that said closest most appropriate resource?

At third alarm would it be reasonable that Salisbury CFS fits the bill. A truck from CFS is an appropriate structural resource and may have left a SAMFS station with a truck.

However it is difficult to reverse engineer decisions, the comms people may have made a strategic decision to leave Salisbury CFS out of this one to assist with covering other jobs....

Always two sides to a coin.....

Pipster · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2008, 11:59:09 AM »

Quote from: Firefrog on October 07, 2008, 09:55:31 AM

The topic is about who got called - it's relevant to discuss who didn't. So long as it's not whining. A mature discussion is welcome.

On the topic of Salisbury CFS not getting a run...Did the chiefs not sign off on an agreement that said closest most appropriate resource?

Have the chiefs actually signed off on the "closest & most appropriate?"

Last I heard of it, (about 6 weeks ago) it had still not been signed, and discussions were (still) continuing.... has it been signed since then?

Pip

OMGWTF · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2008, 12:04:59 PM »

I was listening to theis job go down at home, and as the resources were being responded there stations were being backfilled...

Due to therenow being two appliances at Oakden, and the COQ that were happening to cover i would suggest the closest most appropriate response did occur.

Just because its a prospect appliance, does not mean it came from prospect station.

Zippy · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2008, 12:17:13 PM »

Quote from: Pipster on October 07, 2008, 11:59:09 AM

Quote from: Firefrog on October 07, 2008, 09:55:31 AM
The topic is about who got called - it's relevant to discuss who didn't. So long as it's not whining. A mature discussion is welcome.

On the topic of Salisbury CFS not getting a run...Did the chiefs not sign off on an agreement that said closest most appropriate resource?

Have the chiefs actually signed off on the "closest & most appropriate?"

Last I heard of it, (about 6 weeks ago) it had still not been signed, and discussions were (still) continuing.... has it been signed since then?

Pip

If im not correct, this relates to CFS and SES?? RE: storm damage and tree downs...

Hopefully it gets signed off, for the good of public.

E.g Treedown at Swamp Road, Uraidla....Closest (quickest responder): Carey gully, Appropriate/Backup (SES): Balhannah

Firefrog · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2008, 12:36:46 PM »

Good answers.....I'm not sure of the status of any agreement.....

Zippy · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2008, 12:39:31 PM »

guess no ones sure...its like federal politics, you only hear of the idea and of the result.

bittenyakka · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2008, 05:11:55 PM »

Yes, zippy Tree downs are a major part of this new ruling but so will everything else.

Firey9119 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 07, 2008, 06:46:08 PM »

some people read to much into comments bad!!

as i have said on other topics we were not in comms when the calls were bad hey i didnt even know about the fire until i read it on here!!

the job got done so all is good (just think about us next time as there will be a next time)

6739264 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 07, 2008, 09:49:10 PM »

Who cares. Stop with the goddamned "Think of us, we need some fun too" side of things. We are an emergency service not a frigging fun play center.

When will you people get it through you thick heads.

SAMFS already over resource EVERY job they go to, we don't need more of it.

OMGWTF · « **Reply #17 on:** October 07, 2008, 10:42:08 PM »

Quote from: 6739264 on October 07, 2008, 09:49:10 PM

SAMFS already over resource EVERY job they go to, we don't need more of it.

Im curious.....?

6739264 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 07, 2008, 10:57:14 PM »

Quote from: OMGWTF on October 07, 2008, 10:42:08 PM

Quote from: 6739264 on October 07, 2008, 09:49:10 PM

SAMFS already over resource EVERY job they go to, we don't need more of it.

Im curious.....?

3rd Alarm house fire? It must have been a HUGE house. SAMFS routinely send 2 appliances to Vehicle Fires, as well as half of Wakefield St. to Fire Alarms in multi storey buildings. Its one thing to treat all alarms as working jobs, its another things to turn out trucks merely for the sake of justifying their existence - or so it seems...

Lets not drag this thread off topic with this though. Its just my opinion that both SAMFS and SACFS (Mt. Lofty group are the worst for this, bar none) could look at what they respond and reduce it, with no noticeable impact on fireground performance.

Mind you, a lot of the CFS over response issues are due to multiple stations being responded, and then each station sending as many appliances as they can crew. This is unavoidable without strict brigade level discipline, or appliance specific paging.

Rainer · « **Reply #19 on:** October 07, 2008, 11:29:05 PM »

1. Mawson Lakes was a automatic second alarm because there was a person reported and a third based on access difficulties to adjoining properties

2. Lofty Group does not "over resource" we (I) send extra appliances because we (I) know that during the daytime we have brigades that cant get crews together...so its not about over resourcing its about making sure the community receives an adequate level of response during known times of light crewing.

If I have to respond 2 brigades to a job to get 4 or five FF's at the incident then so be it..

Just be careful with throwaway comments when you dont fully understand the situation.

Cheers
Rainer

6739264 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 07, 2008, 11:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Rainer on October 07, 2008, 11:29:05 PM

...so its not about over resourcing its about making sure the community receives an adequate level of response during known times of light crewing.

If I have to respond 2 brigades to a job to get 4 or five FF's at the incident then so be it..

It's one thing to respond multiple brigades to ensure adequate crew - there is nothing wrong with that, but I'm suggesting that if you want 3 trucks and hence, middle of the day, three brigades are responded, they don't all need to send 2-3 trucks each. Its nothing to do with the response requests and as I said, has more to do with Brigade discipline and individual appliance response.

Quote from: Rainer on October 07, 2008, 11:29:05 PM

Just be careful with throwaway comments when you dont fully understand the situation.

Being nice and careful. Just commenting on long running trends over the past few years.

Rainer · « **Reply #21 on:** October 08, 2008, 12:00:14 AM »

6739264 may I ask which brigade/group/paid fireservice/SES unit you belong to?

6739264 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2008, 12:21:38 AM »

For sure, Im a member or a reasonably busy CFS Brigade with domestic, commercial and industrial risks, as well as rescue capabilites. I work in the Firefighting Industry and am a member of my not so 'Rescue' local SES that happens to cover most of your Group.

Rainer · « **Reply #23 on:** October 08, 2008, 12:29:02 AM »

LOL Riiiight ...thats all that covered then...

Cheers mate
Rainer

6739264 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 08, 2008, 12:35:24 AM »

Quote from: Rainer on October 08, 2008, 12:29:02 AM

LOL Riiiight ...thats all that covered then...

Cheers mate
Rainer

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