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Offline Footy

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« on: April 11, 2008, 02:31:32 PM »
00:01:16 11-04-08 ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 10/04/2008 23:59:29 CFS Angaston Response

00:10:18 11-04-08 ANGN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW NEEDED 11-04-08 00:09 CFS Angaston Response

00:22:54 11-04-08 ANGN: CAR 1 RESPONDING TO ANGAS PARK FRUITS, CAR 1 BECAUSE THERE WASNT A CREW FROM ANGASTON 4/11/2008 12:22:17 AM CFS Angaston Response

00:50:37 11-04-08 ANGN: CAR 1 RETURNED TO BASE AFTER ATTENDING FIRE AARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 4/11/2008 12:50:01 AM CFS Angaston Response

I'd probably turn my pager off too if i was getting all those messages at that time of the morning...
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2008, 05:52:21 PM »
Im more concerned that the bl00dy group car attended, and an *appropriate* appliance wasn't responded from elsewhere!!
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2008, 06:13:58 PM »
Nuri did mate...well maybe, who knows....all's fine :)
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 09:54:43 PM »
ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 11/04/2008 20:55:00 CFS Angaston Response

ANGN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW NEEDED 11-04-08 21:05 CFS Angaston Response

ANGASTON CAR 1 RESPONDING TO FIXED ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS DUE TO LACK OF CREW AGAIN !!!!!!!!! CFS Angaston Info

Have to be gettin embarassing now!!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2008, 10:30:39 PM »
Quote from: mac13 on April 11, 2008, 09:54:43 PM
ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 11/04/2008 20:55:00 CFS Angaston Response

ANGN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW NEEDED 11-04-08 21:05 CFS Angaston Response

ANGASTON CAR 1 RESPONDING TO FIXED ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS DUE TO LACK OF CREW AGAIN !!!!!!!!! CFS Angaston Info

Have to be gettin embarassing now!!!!!!
You missed:
MFS: *CFSRES INC076 11/04/08 21:14,RESPOND Fire Alarm,3 MURRAY ST,ANGASTON MAP 0 0 0 TG095,PLS RESPOND AT
REQUEST OF ANGASTON TO A,PRIVATE ALARM AT ANGASTON PARK FRUITS.,NTPA19
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2008, 10:39:24 PM »
oh well 2 times in 24 hours pretty embarassing!!!
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2008, 08:08:24 AM »
Quote from: Footy on April 11, 2008, 02:31:32 PM
00:01:16 11-04-08 ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 10/04/2008 23:59:29 CFS Angaston Response

00:10:18 11-04-08 ANGN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW NEEDED 11-04-08 00:09 CFS Angaston Response

00:22:54 11-04-08 ANGN: CAR 1 RESPONDING TO ANGAS PARK FRUITS, CAR 1 BECAUSE THERE WASNT A CREW FROM ANGASTON 4/11/2008 12:22:17 AM CFS Angaston Response

00:50:37 11-04-08 ANGN: CAR 1 RETURNED TO BASE AFTER ATTENDING FIRE AARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 4/11/2008 12:50:01 AM CFS Angaston Response

I'd probably turn my pager off too if i was getting all those messages at that time of the morning...

You must be in Angaston, thank god I don't live in area's like that, that fire in New Zealand is a prime example of why you shouldn't take alarm calls lightly. Its pretty poor attitude some people have these days, yet they soon want people to come when they have trouble, and I would hardly call that a late event.
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2008, 02:56:24 PM »
I wouldn't go attacking them, I think its fairly easy to become complacent, what with the majority of alarm calls being false alarms.
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2008, 04:49:25 PM »
Third time lucky!!!  :lol:

1909100 16:00:52 12-04-08 ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 12/04/2008 15:59:03 CFS Angaston Group Officers Response



1909101 16:11:39 12-04-08 ANGN: 24P RESPONDING TO ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS 4/12/2008 4:11:03 PM CFS Angaston Response


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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2008, 05:10:46 PM »
Ye sure may be a false alarm but one day it will be the real think and the COSO say take the truck to the job.......
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2008, 08:03:04 PM »
The percentage alarms that turn out to be real fires would be negligable, they serve only to cover the donkey's of companies who are worried about liability (because they have to be in this day and age), I think its a bit unfair to expect a volunteer service to waste their time on a fixed alarm that constantly malfunctions, maybe if they want that kind of system to be 100% monitored and responded to they should think about getting a MFS set up in key problem areas. That or start charging. You could probably name on one hand when a fixed alarm has turned out to be a fire... The government and CFS need to be more aware of the way they treat their volunteers because every year, every new COSO some form of liberation is lost. They should only have ever installed beeping smoke detectors not wired to a modem and a sprinkler system that is sufficient. You listen to the scanner and the turnouts of the mets spending the majority of their time trying to formulate stop codes for some bullshit alarm, it puts the public at risk.

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2008, 09:30:33 PM »
756 Charge (cooking) is what rakes in the moneys! so i dont think they'll stop installing monitored fire alarms too soon :P
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2008, 10:08:12 PM »
Hmmm only have alarms to cover their behinds hey? :|

What about those alarms that do turn out to be something and the fire brigade gets there ealy and has a big save? We had a alarm to one of our service stations 3am one morning turned out to be a real job, because of the alarm building damage and stock loss was kept to about $400,000 and they were up and running again within 3 weeks.  If there had been no monitored alarm the loss to the building would have been over 1 million and a rebuild would have taken months. Not to mention the danger to surrounding homes that were close to that building.

Alot of these new alarm systems are able to isolate particular areas, and i believe in the SOP's/COSO's somewhere doesnt it state if the alarm is constantly malfunctioning it can be isolated until fixed???

« Last Edit: April 12, 2008, 10:18:08 PM by Alan (Big Al) »
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Re: Private alarms
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2008, 10:36:06 PM »
Quote from: Alan (Big Al) on April 12, 2008, 10:08:12 PM


Alot of these new alarm systems are able to isolate particular areas, and i believe in the SOP's/COSO's somewhere doesnt it state if the alarm is constantly malfunctioning it can be isolated until fixed???



yeah and it is a very good thing


But an alarm is no use if a full response isn't sent
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Re: Private alarms
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2008, 12:01:54 AM »
Well my Brigade would rather respond to an alarm malfunction any time of the day with no complants
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2008, 01:13:02 AM »
Quote from: backburn on April 13, 2008, 12:01:54 AM
Well my Brigade would rather respond to an alarm malfunction any time of the day with no complants

Rather than...?
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2008, 11:25:59 AM »
Having spent 20 years with the Angaston Group i know how much of a pain it is to get 50% or more of your calls being fixed alarms... But it is still no excuse to send only a car. Having said this, that is not what happened, the next available resource was mobilised..No problem..at all. Is it not better to send a car that is only 2 minutes away to investigate while the next closest brigade is on the way and stop call that brigade and reduce the time they spend on a fixed alarm? As i see it there is no difference in sending a car to this than having a car /GO be first on scene at a wildfire and having an Ops officer / IC on the ground planning before the first truck arrives.

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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2008, 04:28:28 PM »
Quote from: CFS_Firey on April 13, 2008, 01:13:02 AM
Quote from: backburn on April 13, 2008, 12:01:54 AM
Well my Brigade would rather respond to an alarm malfunction any time of the day with no complants

Rather than...?

Sorry pager went off so I did not get to finish. I should have said my brigade has been responded to fixed alarms monitored by other brigades as they could not get crews rather than a car or nobody.
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Re: Private alarms
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2008, 07:23:05 PM »
Quote from: Alan (Big Al) on April 12, 2008, 10:08:12 PM
Hmmm only have alarms to cover their behinds hey? :|

What about those alarms that do turn out to be something and the fire brigade gets there ealy and has a big save? We had a alarm to one of our service stations 3am one morning turned out to be a real job, because of the alarm building damage and stock loss was kept to about $400,000 and they were up and running again within 3 weeks.  If there had been no monitored alarm the loss to the building would have been over 1 million and a rebuild would have taken months. Not to mention the danger to surrounding homes that were close to that building.

Alot of these new alarm systems are able to isolate particular areas, and i believe in the SOP's/COSO's somewhere doesnt it state if the alarm is constantly malfunctioning it can be isolated until fixed???

I understand what your saying, you would have known it must have been something as soon as you saw the 'Private Alarm' thing, if it isn't a recurring alarm then its probably the real deal.
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2008, 08:52:47 PM »
well our most common alarm is Woodhouse scout camp now almost every time it goes off it is working as it should (usually it is bbq smoke drifting in the window).

And it comes up as Respond Private alarm and yes it has been a real job once (before i joined)

And because it is able to accommodate up to 300 people in buildings or 8000 outside it is important that every alarm is adequately responded.

now that is just 1 example.
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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2008, 09:25:41 PM »
Quote from: bittenyakka on April 13, 2008, 08:52:47 PM
well our most common alarm is Woodhouse scout camp now almost every time it goes off it is working as it should (usually it is bbq smoke drifting in the window).

And it comes up as Respond Private alarm and yes it has been a real job once (before i joined)

And because it is able to accommodate up to 300 people in buildings or 8000 outside it is important that every alarm is adequately responded.

now that is just 1 example.

But then again, if there are 300 people inside, and 8,000 outside, you'd expect at least one of them to ring 000 and report a fire...
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2008, 09:47:10 PM »
I hope so :-o
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2008, 10:38:33 PM »
Quote from: bittenyakka on April 13, 2008, 08:52:47 PM

And it comes up as Respond Private alarm and yes it has been a real job once (before i joined)


If it's the incident I'm thinking of, with the fire in the ceiling of the Bunkhouse the fire was called in rather than an alarm as it was above the smoke detectors.  Or was there another.
For any future disturbance esp. during the night I apologise, whilst employed there I worked hard to get a monitored system installed. :evil:
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Re: Private alarms
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2008, 11:56:04 PM »
Quote from: Evac on April 13, 2008, 11:25:59 AM
Having said this, that is not what happened, the next available resource was mobilised..No problem..at all. Is it not better to send a car that is only 2 minutes away to investigate while the next closest brigade is on the way and stop call that brigade and reduce the time they spend on a fixed alarm?



what do you think SAAS does?? sending a 1st response paramedic while the ambulance comes from further away is not abnormal practice - especially with the advent of SPRINT cars this is going to become the norm!!
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2008, 07:59:05 AM »
Firstly if the system is false alarming you get them to contact the service provider and fix it,it may be that they have the wrong alarm type for that area or there are spider inside the unit or its a cable problem..

secondly send them an account for you attendance for the call out...Sure volunteers don't like going to fixed or private alarms but its part of life just like it is that we go to RCR or grass fire's.I know a number of fulltime firefighters who hate fixed alarms but as they say its there job to attend these...
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