Burnside Pumper

[Red Message]

Isn't the rule that the spare appliance takes on the call sign of the appliance that it replaces? Otherwise it get far to confusing.

[calspec]

We have digressed from the Topic at hand somewhat, but...

That rule would make sense, to a point!  In this case, the Spare 34 is identified on air as HV34 - the appliance it replaced.  Clarendon, who have the appliance marked HV34 are referring to it as Clarendon 34, not CL24P.  Furthermore, Clarendon 24P is not being referred to as Happy Valley Pumper (for obvious reasons), but is known as HV24P, an otherwise non-existant appliance.  Any replacement appliance should be identified by its service capabilities, ie Pumper, 34, 24, or 24P.  No point calling a truck a 24P if it isn't, just because it replaced a 24P.  Put up your hand if your confused  :lol:

We did trial calling the appliance by its marked identifier, ie CL24P, (actually, that decision was made for us) but that just caused total confusion when other agencies/groups were expecting HV, as per the pager message, and 'Clarendon' showed up at a job.  I think we even got stopped for a job because we came up on air as CL24P.  I think that's when we changed tack.

Can we have our Pumper back now, please, my head hurts!!?

Anyway, how is progress with the next generation Burnside truck??

[Zippy]

NextGen CFS wooo BRT!!!??? lol

[SA Firey]

Can we have our Pumper back now, please, my head hurts!!?(quote)

Amen to that :cry:

[pete]

Hey Burnside Crew,if i was you guys id be keeping an eye on the company doing your new truck.They dont have a good track record,just ask the St Marys boys..

[uniden]

The problems with the St Marys is more to do with the engine management system not working properly in conjunction with the pump I believe. Not a quality issue with the body build up.

[Gilly]

Yeah thats correct Uniden. I've had a good look at the build of that truck and t looks like a quality unit. Most issues were with the pump and the truck itself.

[pete]

Cool,they also found the pump wasnt correctly mounted,the tank baffles are welded in instead of being bolted,the monitor pedal release bolted from the pump frame to the body and it broke off.The grab handles in the wrong positions and a list of other things,worth a trip up to check these things.

[Gilly]

Thanks mate, we planned to go.
St Mary's truck seemed to be a well finished truck, and those issues are fairly minor compared with some of the probs that have occured in recent times from other manufacturers.
I would have thought welded baffles are preferred anyway? Any idea why bolted ones were specified?

[pete]

the reason for bolting in the baffles is so after 10 or so years when the tank is due for a new paint job,it is easier to remove the baffles for sand blasting and painting correctly.If there welded in and corrosion has set in,it becomes a pain in the donkey.
The main things which id be checking is the drive line angles and that the pump is bolted correctly.If there is vibration then those reasons may be why.

[pumprescue]

Blackwood 24Cafs is a prime example of how not to do it, looks alright, pump shaft was very poorly aligned though. Amongst several other problems, would have been easier to ask for a refund, same with the current batch of 34P's, return them. Then again CFS probably wouldn't have that clause in their contracts, probably saved them a $100..... :-P

[JC]

Who built Blackwoods 24CAFS.

[K55]

Moore's

[JC]

Oh, strike them off the list.

[Alan J]

Blackwood 24Cafs is a prime example of how not to do it, looks alright, pump shaft was very poorly aligned though. Amongst several other problems, would have been easier to ask for a refund, same with the current batch of 34P's, return them. Then again CFS probably wouldn't have that clause in their contracts, probably saved them a $100..... :-P

From the sound of it, Blackwood CAFS was well built compared with the woes afflicting the CFS commissioned appliances. Especially given that it is a 1-off prototype, actually cost less than a CFS 34P, and its biggest issue was a defective engine in the cab/chassis from Hino.  The others are production vehicles where the bugs should have been found & fixed in vehicle #1.  No excuse for bugs in later vehicles at all.  Poor contract management.  Period.

[6739264]

Prototypes are meant to have problems. You iron the bugs out in the first one. The problem arises when CFS refuses to fix the problem, or just patches the issue over and over again.

[RescueHazmat]

Prototypes are meant to have problems. You iron the bugs out in the first one. The problem arises when CFS refuses to fix the problem, or just patches the issue over and over again.

Or the problem arises when they... Just build prototypes..

[Zippy]

Quailty Control is the big issue....i can see it now...the less well off guys in rundle mall hired by "the big issue" holding up this weeks magazine "CFS appliances, Lack of Quality Control". BUT...im actually starting to see the Season Change at last...with this years Varley Builds.

Meanwhile, burnside are the promising bunch, Good luck guys =)

[pumprescue]

Actually Moore's did make a meal of the Darley pump installation on Blackwood CAFS.

[K55]

What was the problem with Blackwood 24CAFS? Its still one of the better looking CFS appliances.

[OMGWTF]

K55 - i believe the first issue was with a defective engine from Hino, replaced under warrantee??? The second issue was with the CAFS, whoever designed it failed to include the switchy thingo that enables you to select how dry the foam should be.... not sure what its called.... changes how much air enters the system.... now these issues are fixed its definitely a great little truck.... why CFS dont pick it up and use as a good urban/rural appliance is beyond me, would be much better to issue to adelaide hills brigades than these new gargantuan 34s and 34ps...

pumprescue - in my book, moores are definitely off the christmas list when it comes to pumps.... useless bunch of.... ;)

[K55]

OMGWTF. Are you a Blackwood Firefighter?

[RescueHazmat]

OMGWTF, are you referring to the Foam Proportioner?

[jaff]

Wasnt part of the issue with the Blackwood CAFS unit, that a shaft wasnt balanced properly and gradually it damaged the unit,just what I hear :wink:

[Zippy]

OMGWTF...can blackwood 24 cafs act as a pumper aswell?