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« on: February 15, 2008, 08:27:44 PM »
So how is the replacement planning going ???
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 05:33:48 PM »
Good Thanks.  :wink:
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 06:17:55 PM »
Volvo or Scania, that is the question !  :roll:
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 06:22:51 PM »
What about Hino, Isuzu, Mercedes, DAF, MAN, Mack, Tatra, Iveco?   :-)
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 06:35:32 PM »
Hino, Isuzu just aint Burnside style i have to say...

Mercedes...not really crank, DAF..rare, MAN...different, Mack...more different, Tatra...wtf!, Iveco....oh dear me!

note: dont be offended by my opinion's  :mrgreen:

so therefore i only ask  Volvo or Scania.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 06:38:09 PM »
Quote from: ZIPPY28 on February 17, 2008, 06:35:32 PM
Tatra...filtered!

 :lol: Love it!!

Time will tell.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2008, 06:40:55 PM by Gilly »
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 06:41:49 PM »
no seriously...volvo or scania!1@$!$

 :-D

would be great to see a dualcab Volvo with a Type 2 build or similar.

Oh but wait...that wouldnt be Burnside!!  time will tell to see what burnside comes up for its homemade custom pumper build!

If its the quaility of the current pumper or better...100+ kudos !
« Last Edit: February 17, 2008, 06:44:48 PM by ZIPPY28 »
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 09:07:15 PM »
ODDS
Scania   $1.10
Volvo    $2.30
Mercedes $5.20
Isuzu    $5.50
Mack     $7.80
Hino     $10.50
MAN      $15.90
Iveco    $23.80
DAF      $79.35
Tatra    $160

Duno bout you but i know what im putting my money on. Read the 259 point form guide for the scania its odds on. :wink:
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 09:48:04 PM »
I know what my money is on and time will tell eh Gilly :wink:
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 09:51:31 PM »
Correct. Time will tell. I'm putting everything i have on Tatra. Those odds are fantastic!  :wink:
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2008, 09:52:01 AM »
Great, another Scania circle jerk thread! Fun times boys!

I'll throw my money on an American LaFrance, Pierce or Seagrave...

But what about a bogey drive International?

Can't forget the old favourites: Magirus and Shand Mason?

How about a nice Sutphen Rescue?

In fact, I might take the Skoda...
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2008, 10:42:03 AM »
Tatra sounds asian. but i could be wrong,  they could be fricken awesome....but ill stick to my racist comment.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2008, 10:45:20 AM by ZIPPY28 »
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 11:49:20 AM »
Close.... but oh so far!

Tatra is based in the Czech Republic, lets just say that they have a hard-on for building 6x6 Fire Appliance chassis.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2008, 12:00:49 PM »
Isn't it going to be a Mazda Bongo van with a knapsack and a pair of tin snips for rescue.

Out of interest how much urban primary response area do Burnside have now, looking at a map of the MFS / CFS boundary you wouldn't think they have any. How can they justify getting the $330k from CFS that would have gone to a Type 2 when other urban EMA brigades are still in dunger 24's and 24P's.

Not starting a war just interested.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 12:04:10 PM »
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How can they justify getting the $330k from CFS that would have gone to a Type 2 when other urban EMA brigades are still in dunger 24's and 24P's.

Basically every single CFS EMA brigade can justify having a rather expensive Pumper, since it doesnt not take much at all to create COQ's into the Metro suburbs.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2008, 12:06:52 PM »
Don't start that. Don't you understand that this is a Fire Service and there is no way that you can apply logic to any decisions that are made by anyone about the rank of SFF.

I'd suggest that its got a fair bit to do with the amount of EMA work that Burnside do, and the amount of time they spend turning out of 44 and 20 station.

It would be nice if the CFS tacked a few more pumps onto the order for Morphett Vale, Barker, Stirling, etc etc - The places that have a decent risk in their primary response area and have been shafted in the past.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2008, 12:07:06 PM »
If you went purely on their primary area they can barely justify a 24, but if you have cash and a fighting spirit you can achieve anything.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2008, 12:09:05 PM »
...and they didn't even need to go to the minister or the media!


Other brigades, take note!
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2008, 12:39:31 PM »
What would be interesting to know is if the CFS have ever investigated building other pumpers besides the type 2, which is tacked onto the end of the NSWFB order.

For interests sake - how much extra would it cost to tack on 4 or 5 pumpers to an SAMFS or MFB order, compared to the current type 2.

Basically none of these trucks are going to be perfect for every response area but maybe more suited then the current type 2 in areas such as Happy Valley, Morphettvale, Seaford, Salisbury, Dalkeith, Athelstone, Burnside.


Just to make sure im not confusing anyone - all im saying is maybe there is other pumpers available on the market that maybe more suited to those areas for similar costs rather then building an individual appliance for each brigade as we all know this is not cost effective or efficient for the service.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2008, 12:44:56 PM »
I'm giving odds  11/2 on a DENNIS................. :-D
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2008, 01:18:06 PM »
COMP00, yes the question has been asked, and the suggestion of tacking 5-10 appliances on the end of a Mets has been made. The response was "We are not, and never will be the MFS"

It would be smart thing to do, it would also mean that all servicing etc, could be carried out in Adelaide, rather than in the sticks, or interstate.

Mind you, half of those places you mention have no need for anything more than a Type 2, don't do enough work to justify the cash outlay, or will be eaten by SAMFS in the next 10 years.

If the CFS built decent appliances that could be used for multiple roles, there wouldn't be half the issues there are today.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2008, 01:30:11 PM »
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"We are not, and never will be the MFS"

In the world of words that means filtered.

They havent denied having a single fire service ever, not the MFS or CFS...but something along the lines of SAFRS.  (like the QFRS)
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2008, 01:52:01 PM »
Yes, I wasn't talking about long term service directions, I was talking about a direct comment regarding Pumpers and using SAMFS spec trucks, just painted white.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2008, 01:57:05 PM »
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COMP00, yes the question has been asked, and the suggestion of tacking 5-10 appliances on the end of a Mets has been made. The response was "We are not, and never will be the MFS"

It would be smart thing to do, it would also mean that all servicing etc, could be carried out in Adelaide, rather than in the sticks, or interstate.

Mind you, half of those places you mention have no need for anything more than a Type 2, don't do enough work to justify the cash outlay, or will be eaten by SAMFS in the next 10 years.

If the CFS built decent appliances that could be used for multiple roles, there wouldn't be half the issues there are today.

The CFS need to step up and realise the Urban responsibility it currently has.  Sure we are not MFS but that doesnt mean we dont have the same responsibilities in communities around the state.

As far as being eaten by MFS in 10 years...If the brigades were equipped with the right equipment there may not be the need for MFS to take over the area.  But that brings about the debate of many other things, which is not what this thread is about.

You mention some of the brigades mentioned dont do enough work to justify the cash outlay.  On that same notion you could say Port Lincoln doesnt need an aerial appliance as there hasnt been the calls to justify it. or some CFS brigades dont need RCR tools as they havent had an entrapment in years.  Its all about risk, which you would know about but as you say some of those brigades may not need anything more than a medium pumper like the type 2.

Just some things to ponder.
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Re: Burnside Pumper
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2008, 02:04:07 PM »
Right On Mate it all about risk - good comment :wink:
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